Negativity

Yes, you're right. I was so upset when I got off the forum I had to go off and think for a moment. This is ridiculous. I am normally an upbeat and positive person. I usually try to help anyone that has a problem on this forum. What is it about these guys that get me so riled up?

Truth is, I hold a BIG TIME GRUDGE against swank. I have hated him since the first time he came into the FR forum and burst my little FR bubble. When I discovered FR, I thought I had a gold mine. It helped me with alot of problems I was having with a tight circ and I was just ecstatic about it. I wanted to share it with everyone. Then swank came along and -- since the anti-circ stuff made him feel bad at some point in the past-- he decided he was going to kick me around a little for fun. If he is a man he will admit to that. I have held a grudge against him ever since. He has never admitted to purposefully going after me -- oh no, not innocent little swank -- so I have never had closure and never forgiven him. Every time I read a post by him I just remember being called loony, and crazy, and stupid, and a scam artist and all those things that he has called me in the past. But to keep myself from being negative, I have to let those things go, so I am going to do it.

I am letting it go. Every snide, rude, unkind comment swank has made toward me. Every little insult and innuendo and disparaging comment he had made toward the things I believe.

Swank, I'm sorry for holding a grudge. I apologize for trying to get back at you the last couple weeks, for needling you, and trying to make everyone not like you. I am a sensitive person and some of the things you said on this forum in the past really bothered me so I wanted to get you back, and I apologize for it. I have not behaved very well at times and I will admit it.

Swank said:

Ha, glass houses my friend. I do recall a certain somebody having it out with that chainandballer dude a ways back . . .

I'm just kidding you though. I totally agree. This should at least be moved to another forum.

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True, but that guy seriously had it coming. lol

Oh christ, this is equally ridiculous.

A lot of it is good though, admitting that your getting emotionally out of hand is good and true.

Then swank came along and -- since the anti-circ stuff made him feel bad at some point in the past-- he decided he was going to kick me around a little for fun. If he is a man he will admit to that.

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Kick you around for fun!?!? From my observations, Swank never did anything except call you up on lying, whether it was intentional or unintentional. Most of the time though he was just pointing out your misinformation, which isn't really lying, but still it should not be just let to fly.

I have held a grudge against him ever since. He has never admitted to purposefully going after me -- oh no, not innocent little swank -- so I have never had closure and never forgiven him.

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This seems to be a bit of a cop out, your pretty much saying that you accept you were behaving irrationally, but Swank started it.

I am letting it go. Every snide, rude, unkind comment swank has made toward me. Every little insult and innuendo and disparaging comment he had made toward the things I believe.

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Once again, this is a bit of a cop out, and your heavily playing the victim here. Where are these remarks? He only ever attacks your information, not you. The only time i've ever seen him come close was when he was calling you 'strange' for constantly following him around the forum.

Nothing ever satisfied, does it... ?

... and from the troll quartet rings a chortling, "Next!"

Be careful with your enthusiasm around here, gang. It's become deadly.

This is kong1971 signing off. Good night.

kong is awesome

thats all i have to say here

kong1971 said:

Yes, you're right. I was so upset when I got off the forum I had to go off and think for a moment. This is ridiculous. I am normally an upbeat and positive person. I usually try to help anyone that has a problem on this forum. What is it about these guys that get me so riled up?

Truth is, I hold a BIG TIME GRUDGE against swank. I have hated him since the first time he came into the FR forum and burst my little FR bubble. When I discovered FR, I thought I had a gold mine. It helped me with alot of problems I was having with a tight circ and I was just ecstatic about it. I wanted to share it with everyone. Then swank came along and -- since the anti-circ stuff made him feel bad at some point in the past-- he decided he was going to kick me around a little for fun. If he is a man he will admit to that. I have held a grudge against him ever since. He has never admitted to purposefully going after me -- oh no, not innocent little swank -- so I have never had closure and never forgiven him. Every time I read a post by him I just remember being called loony, and crazy, and stupid, and a scam artist and all those things that he has called me in the past. But to keep myself from being negative, I have to let those things go, so I am going to do it.

I am letting it go. Every snide, rude, unkind comment swank has made toward me. Every little insult and innuendo and disparaging comment he had made toward the things I believe.

Swank, I'm sorry for holding a grudge. I apologize for trying to get back at you the last couple weeks, for needling you, and trying to make everyone not like you. I am a sensitive person and some of the things you said on this forum in the past really bothered me so I wanted to get you back, and I apologize for it. I have not behaved very well at times and I will admit it.

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Interesting. I'm glad that you could (on some level) admit you acted like a total fool. Although, as Shithead pointed out you STILL attack Swank and attempt to portray him as the trouble maker as you "apologized".

This brings something intestesting to mind. For literally the last 6+ months, you have held a grudge against Kong (and any intelligent member who has been here the whole time knew this, your post only confirmed what we already knew) taking any chance you got to make him look like an asshole (unsuccessfully, I might add). Yet, as this was going on, you attempted to paint him as the bad guy who was needling you, when today you admitted that in reality YOU are the one needling, he just has different opinions than you. If you had to "come clean" about being totally full of shit about your situation with Swank then maybe you will one day "come clean" that most of your Penis Enlargement gains and FR gains and benefits were also a load of shit. This is why almost no one here takes you seriously anymore Kong. I'm sorry if this deeply upsets you.

kong1971 said:

Nothing ever satisfied, does it... ?

... and from the troll quartet rings a chortling, "Next!"

Be careful with your enthusiasm around here, gang. It's become deadly.

This is kong1971 signing off. Good night.

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Let's get something straight here. NO ONE had a problem with your enthusiasm. You were clearly lying to the forum and stating shit that you concocted in your head as proven facts. Anyone with half a brain saw this and THAT is what we took offense to. If I made a post claiming that I drank a gallon of rancid owl piss every am and pm for three weeks straight and my dick grew 3 inches in that time frame, you wouldn't like that now would you? Didn't think so. That's how we felt about a lot of your FR claims.

I still don't understand that beef. Whatever Kong said that was so absurd should have easily been seen as exactly that. FR can help people, it might not for others, but for those it can help for instance like those who have an extremely tight circ it may assist them in gains from Penis Enlargement. Skin would be a major factor in gains would they not? BUt FR as a cure-all? That's kind of ridiculous. I wonder if the (hate to drag this in, but feel it's appropriate) ROP never got hyped the way it did would Kong have had to deal with this crap. Kong has been pretty childish, but even so all parties involved have been immature with probably the exception of Swank who is clearly not any of the things Kong has labeled him.

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I still don't understand that beef. Whatever Kong said that was so absurd should have easily been seen as exactly that. FR can help people, it might not for others, but for those it can help for instance like those who have an extremely tight circ it may assist them in gains from Penis Enlargement. Skin would be a major factor in gains would they not? BUt FR as a cure-all? That's kind of ridiculous. I wonder if the (hate to drag this in, but feel it's appropriate) ROP never got hyped the way it did would Kong have had to deal with this crap. Kong has been pretty childish, but even so all parties involved have been immature with probably the exception of Swank who is clearly not any of the things Kong has labeled him.

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I think it's clear that the only person who had any "beef" was Kong. Swank, Shithead, AC, and myself didn't take any of this stuff personally, while things became a personal vendetta for Kong, instead of an intelligent debate. I don't think you remember how bad some of his FR claims had gotton (right before the 4 of us stepped in to squelch things) but the majority of people on the forum were dogmatically accepting his radical FR fantasies as proven medical facts which is how he portrayed them. For example, a few months of FR will release 2 inches of trapped penis and my personal favorite; circumcision makes men prone to violence.

Interesting that you mentioned the ROP. You are most definately correct that the forum had a heightened awareness to this kind of nonsesense after all that went down. I was actually the first to point out the similarities the two shared in a thread I made called "Dispelling the Myth". However, I don't see why that's relevent, as if that lets Kong off the hook and he can continue to bullshit the forum just because we wouldn't have been as aware without the ROP scandal?

VladtheImpaler sees logic in distancing himself from this forum.....

i have been avoiding some posts because of the negativity on this forum lately. i agree with kong when he says that when he first joined, the memebers hwere were much more supportive and possitive all together. however i have seen many threads start off with offensive tittles (or what some would see as offensive while others don't) and then when people go to say that they do not like the post, then the original poster would counter with the "freedom of speech" argument. which was, and still is, a huge topic on this forum (at least in my eyes). after a few bickerin about why people don't like what the post is stating, sadly enough intelligence some how becomes a factor in the thread. i have not seen newbies get attacked, because i don't go into the newbies section of forum, however i think that is what is going to be the death of this forum. if we don't get back to be supportive and give out possitive feedback, instead of bashing eachother and trying to top one another in an intelligence pissing contest, or trying to prove others are lying or if their beginning stats is bullshit..etc.

also someone brought up a great point about age, some members on this forum are clearly young and have not really grown up in some aspects. which is ok, everyone is at different stages of maturity, however when the less mature members start firing off accusations and belittling other members, then that is what discourages this forum to grow, and pisses off many of the members. i think that is what kong is trying to point out, that the belittling has to stop, if you are "intelligent" and post up informative posts, then good for you, really, just don't put the other members down if they missunderstand your posts. in my eyes, intelligence comes with maturity and wisdom, they are all together. it doesn't matter how many fancy words you can put into your posts, it's all about how you handle situations. i myself have gotten pissed at a few members and i admit that i have lost control, and i have now come to understand that those members and i will never see eye to eye.

however the belittling though has to end. i believe that everyone on this site can agree with that statement

Hydromaxm. I don't venture into the newbie section much. I've probably been in there maybe a dozen times to check out threads and see who's new, but never really post in there so I don't know if anyone is bashing or belittling newbies. As for the regulars and being unsupportive...I don't know how much of that is really going on, but I do see bickering about what some members are or are not contributing positivity to the forum. I think it is essential for us to be supportive and not come off as whiny, bickering, cunts to the newbies however because as Samzman said it is key to the health of the forums. My comments are on the topic of Penis Enlargement. There's nothing wrong with expressing yourself or being a pain in the ass in the Deep thoughts section. Arguing and bickering are separate things, but they tend to go hand in hand on these forums so it's no use worrying about that.

Pretty much everything has been said by others, but a few things.

Firstly, what is this talk of bashing on newbies? I've never even posted in the newbie forum, I'm not sure I've ever even looked at it. Likewise, where have others or myself ever just randomly ridiculed anybody? Really, where is this so-called "belittling" taking place? Pointing out that the begninning BPenis EnlargementL poll was off isn't about 'proving' that any particular person is full of it, it's a general observation about a poll that hundreds of people have taken. The numbers are off, it's obvious. Same thing with suggesting that some people on the forum probably aren't totally honest - it's just a general observation and a fairly obvious one at that. The fact that it was upsetting to some has little bearing on whether or not it was made with cruel intentions in mind (it certainly was not).

So far as Kong's apology, I do appreciate him coming out and admitting what has really been going on, which really was no suprise. I do find it ironic that some have come forward to complain that topical and Penis Enlargement related posts are somehow negative for the forum - yet on a thread where a moderator admits that he was following around a member attempting to stir up a fight or otherwise slander them, nobody has commented that that sort of posting is far more destructive and embarassing for the forum. I believe I have been labeled as some sort of troll by Kong, but it would seem to me that his behavior is far more 'trollish' in this respect, as I have repeatedly asked him to just leave me alone.

Anyhow I went on way longer than I intended there, but my point is that there isn't any 'belittling' going on. This is about one guy with a grudge taking things too serious and too far, not the overall health of the forums. I stand by my posts, and hopefully this is the last we'll hear about this silliness. Before anybody jumps on the whole "negativity" bandwagon, go back and really read some of these posts (I don't know where to point you, as nobody ever cites anything, they just imply that they exist) that are supposedly so acidic and cruel, and decide for yourselves if that's really the case.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I think that this will be interesting to anyone who has followed all of the FR hoopla Kong has been involved with in the last 6 or so months here. He has gone over to Thundersplace (funny, because I remember him bashing them here on numerous occasions) and has attempted to peddle his bullshit over there. To put it simple, it was not taken well. At all. If you have a �other forum� account its def worth a read, if nothing else but a good laugh.

http://www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=51240&page=1&pp=15

I don't have a ThundersPlace account, and they've suspended registration.

So what is this anyway, a post or a whole thread? Coz i'd like to read it, but i imagine copying and pasting an entire thread would be a hassle.

Has Kong just started recently his FR and whatever else over there, or did he start it a while ago?

Shithead said:

I don't have a ThundersPlace account, and they've suspended registration.

So what is this anyway, a post or a whole thread? Coz i'd like to read it, but i imagine copying and pasting an entire thread would be a hassle.

Has Kong just started recently his FR and whatever else over there, or did he start it a while ago?

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He registered a year ago, made one post. All his other posts (about 70) have come in the last 2 days.

I've attached the file for you to read if you don't have an account.