Male Subjugation-- Free Yourselves!

No. I thought it was funny. I saw that line as somewhat of an opposing opinion or well I guess a sort of way to make yours the hullaballoo of a different opinion rather. I liked your guys' take better than mine. lol I actually found myself reading what I typed and thinking I should have went into detail a bit more once I got home that night, but then I figured I'd wait for replies or whatever.

Well, I never said that circumcision takes away a man's assertiveness. You misread me there. I did say that it was a terrible component of this trend of male subjugation going on in our culture. What I mean to say is this: why is it illegal to remove the clitoris but perfectly okay, and even encouraged, to remove the foreskin-- especially now that medical science has proven that there are no benefits and that it is, in many cases, damaging. Best case scenerio with circumcision: loss of some sexual sensation in return for slight hygiene improvement. Worst case scenerios: death (it happens), sexual reassignment due to mishap, lack of size or other deformity like curving or webbed scrotum, and sexual dysfunction. Question is: WHY DO IT? Answer: in our current culture, men are expected to "shut up and take it", no matter what the problem is. We aren't supposed to question and we aren't supposed to complain...because we're men (like that's supposed to make us feel guilty or something). Its an attitude that we use on one another (like you are doing to me) and that's used on us by others. I never said it made us wimps. I only stated that I saw circumcision as the most glaring and heinous assault upon men in our culture...because it is done without our free choice.

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Surveys show that somewhere around 48% of women regularly fake orgasm. There is a significant number of women who do not orgasm often or have never had an orgasm. From my own personal experience, women do not have huge gushing howling orgasms. That, I feel, is most often a case of male self-delusion. My wife does orgasm. She orgasms usually from vaginal penetration, and, yes, there is sometimes a discharge of fluid. It dribbles out a little...not the gallons of gushing woman jizz that I have heard my buddies brag about, certainly. She has been known to cum more than once... but normally not. With 32 partners, a enormous schlong, and the ability to make women orgasm with just a poke of the finger...I'm sorry, but I find myself chuckling a little in disbelief at your claims. I had a friend who was just like you. He once told me that on his girlfriend's 23rd birthday, he gave her 23 orgasms. I laughed and told him, "E----, a moan doesn't mean they've had an orgasm!"

Of course, I could be wrong. I was never a super-jock with a fantastic athletic body and an enormous cock... :s I'm just a regular guy.

Finally, using your argument against you: just because your cock is cut and great doesn't mean no one else ever had any problems.

Geeze . . . I was trying to be a nice guy here . . . Anytime somebody contradicts your posts you go on red alert . . .

Okay okay, you're right, my girlfriend is definately faking. I've rethought it, there's no way I know what I'm doing. I defer to the master. You definately make your wife come though, you're the man.

I'm also lieing about my penis - I hate it, it's small, and it has never made a woman happy. Oh why Kong, why are you making me confront my demons!

I definately didn't attend college on a track scholarship, that's wild horseshit from out yonder as well.

By the way, since you are attempting (and rather childishly at that) to accuse me of being full of shit without actually saying as much, I've been motivated to post a few measurment pics in the very near future.

I never said it was gigantic, 7.5 NBP isn't such a big deal around here. I also said she ejcaulates a small amount of fluid, I believe similar to what you say about your own wife, not "gushes." I think you're a few years older than me, but grow up guy.

Just because your circumcision gave you problems doesn't mean everybody else has them as well.

On circumcision, I saw the same thing I always do. All your information comes from cruddy sources on the internet, with the exception of the AMA, who generally don't support your opinion that circumcision is really fucking men up all over the place. The conditions you mention are extrememly rare and not always related to circumcision (I have seen the infamous 'turkey-neck' and penile curvature on uncircumcised men, as well as heard uncircumcised friends complain about it).

In the thread I definately got the impression you were relating circumcision and it's effects to somehow being an incomplete man, which somehow underminded our masculinity, or cripes, I can't even remember it all. Either way sorry if I misinterpreted, but that's sure what I gathered.

Just like trying to pin male aggression and historical trends on circumcision in another post, here you're saying it causes men to be marginalized as opposed to the past. No sir, I just don't think so

*Might consider that plenty of men in America where getting circumcized before women even had the vote . . .

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Believing every source of circ information besides the AMA is crud is like saying "the only people you can believe about cars is your mechanic."

YOU grow up, kiddo!

I am rather curious to see what you provide since in the past you have professed the opinion that the entire medical establisHydromaxent is a vast conspiracy . . . As well as (and I can't remember a specific instance of this so forgive me if I am incorrect) a disregard for higher education and scholarly research. Generally I would consider these to be the best resources of valid information since they're all expertly researched, and peer reviewed.

I do not believe the US Medical system is so much a "vast conspiracy" as a business. This is a realistic attitude to take, I feel. Last time I checked, my family doctor still charged for a visit. Any halfway intelligent person would tell you, concerning medical care, to always get a second opinion-- as sometimes a patient's best interest is not always taken into account. To think otherwise would be somewhat foolish. Why should circumcision be different than any other medical procedure? Why does the medical institutions of nearly every other civilized nation condemn the American Medical EstablisHydromaxent and its circumcision practices?

I do not have any problems with higher education or scholarly research. About the only derogatory comment I made about higher education was that one shouldn't believe everything in a college text just because it is big and heavy.

Scholarly research is quite splendid, as most of the studies done recently support my views or are actually the basis for my opinions.

Even then, however, one should understand that there are alot of political and economic forces at play concerning peer reviewed research, and alot more grant money being distributed to studies that support the best interests of the powers-that-be (think "$profit$").

As always, I research and then balance what I have learned against my common sense and personal experiences.

I always read and then think to myself, "Okay, who has the most to gain, and who has the most to lose?" You should learn to do that, swank.

I'll just say and I've said this before... there is no good reason for circumcision. As far as why it's done and why it won't soon be stopped well like millions of dollars were backed by big corporations for this past inauguration we tend to protect our invested interests. (of course in that case it was a "hey guys Ah man...I've gotta big crink in my back...could ya would guys get that for me...oh man thanks..." "no problem Bushy baby..." The money is just so blinding it's beautiful...lol I think it sucks that it's this way though...

Well, that's your opinion. Good for you.