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[youknowme123321]

Thanks DLD for asking me to chime in. I believe in what we do here. I also appreciate DLD allowing me to partner with MoS. I admit my own reputation over the years has been far from spotless and I have acted selfish at times. However, I have changed.
Yes, at one time I helped promote the "Max Vac" hanger. However, I later discovered the guy selling them, Chad aka "BTC Killer" was ripping off customers. He would take orders and not ship them. He was also dishonest about how well the hanger worked. He admitted to me privately that his hanger was prone to causing blisters after around 15bs, but publicly acted as if blisters were caused by user error.

I donate regularly to MOS and am transparent about doing so. I support my customers as well.

I appreciate the feedback YKM gave on my hanger but at the same time, you never came to me for help. Even after I read your "review" on your site and emailed you. Rather you gave a VERY one sided "review" and made it sound like I deliberately sell a flawed product and like it is cumbersome to use my hanger due to how you must wrap to get it to work for you. Your site actually reminds me more of that "ripoff report"/bribe site than an honest review site. Men who actually come to me for coaching can usually get my hanger to work. As a last case scenario, I give refunds, but that is unusual.

Oh wow that is interesting about the max vac guy. Thank you bringing that to light for me and others who didn't know that. I just watched my hanger videos again and I don't see where it was VERY one sided or that I made it seem like you deliberately sell a flawed tool. I don't think you sell a flawed tool. I believe there are better compression hangers such as the LM but that doesn't mean I think you believe your product isn't as good as others and deliberately sell a flawed product. You likely believe the MH2 is as good as any hanger and you should. What I like is based on my opinion and whats works best for me. I continually say the MH2 is a good hanger and that if I were to continue with it as my main hanger I believe I could hang as much weight as I could with the LM. I am very honest in my video and I am sure to say that I believe men could hang heavier weight then I am able to if they use the MH2 regularly and find a wrap that works best for them.

I watched your wrapping videos and tried the methods you recommend for overcoming the issue of slipping and it wasn't enough for me which is why I came up with my wrap for it. If you have any other suggestions outside of those videos I would enjoy hearing it and trying it.

I also don't know where I made it seem cumbersome to use your hanger. I explained in the video how and why I wrap that way for the MH2 but at no point did I say it was a pain or cumbersome to do so. I wrap that same way for the LM.

If you would take the time to share with me where you feel I was VERY one sided and where I made it sound like you deliberately sell a flawed product I will be more then happy to take it into consideration and redo the video if I agree with you. Also please share where I made it seem like I found the wrap cumbersome. Like I said if I end up agreeing with you I would be happy to make another video. I am always open to learning new ways to use tools and then sharing that information. I attached the link to the video below so you don't have to go to my site and find it.

hanger Wrap & Use - XVIDEOS.COM

SWM - please take the time to reply my response to you about your comments regarding the malehanger2 video I made.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Can't we all just get along really? I mean with all the other shit going on in the world these days, this forum should not add any more stress to someone's life.

yep simple as that

 

[templnite]

Can't we all just get along really? I mean with all the other shit going on in the world these days, this forum should not add any more stress to someone's life.

Hey man I'm who dismantle pooseys for stress reduction so alls good here :blush:

 

[stillwantmore]

I don't feel the need to, but it's all over how you worded your written review on your site. You make it sound like my methods don't work, and then you say I used a marketing scam. You never contacted me for help before writing your review. You did not reply to my email offering to help you either. That's one sided and unfair reviewing.

 

[templnite]

Still has actual street cred, and life experience so if he don't answer to you don't feel some type of way. Were just too elite for this shit. Puttin Versace on every thread we touch bruh :/

 

[youknowme123321]

I don't feel the need to, but it's all over how you worded your written review on your site. You make it sound like my methods don't work, and then you say I used a marketing scam. You never contacted me for help before writing your review. You did not reply to my email offering to help you either. That's one sided and unfair reviewing.

That is unfortunate b/c I don't see what you're talking about in my review. Where do I make it sound like your methods don't work, where??? I don't understand why you will say these things but not share where you feel I did them. I explain my experience with your wrapping method and share they don't work for me and I'm surprised such small pieces of wrapping material could work for anyone. I also say that doesn't take away from the hanger b/c every man must find a wrap that works for them and just b/c it doesn't work for me doesn't mean it won't work for someone else. I then explain I was able to hang more weight using a different wrapping method.

I didn't contact any tool makers for help making reviews or how to videos. Just b/c I didn't do that doesn't make a review one sided and unfair.

Everything I said in my review was 100% honest and based on MY experience with your tool and what you have available to the public. I go on to share that there is help from you readily available if needed and where to find that help. I also share you have videos available for help with wrapping.

You did use a marketing scam. Had you never done that I would not have said that. That is on you. If someone goes to PEgym or thunder's and starts a thread documenting their usage of the MH2 it is very possible there will be a lot of skepticism thrown at them. That's just the way it is. I tell all sides that I know of a product that way anyone who makes a choice based on what they have learned through my videos is 100% informed. And if I am proven to be wrong about something or the inventor of a tool shares info with me after the fact I will be happy to make changes to my written reviews or videos.

Below is the review I wrote. If anyone can show (hopefully SWM will) where I was unfair I'd greatly appreciate it and take it into consideration. I pride myself on being a reasonable person.

The hanger is a penis hanging device. It uses compression to hold the penis in place. It utilizes a very simple plastic mold design that opens and closes with a hinge. To close the hanger on the penis you use a threaded rod and wing nut. This allows for easy control of how tight the hanger is made.

The key to using the hanger comfortably is how you wrap the penis. The hanger creator recommends wrapping using a layer of material cut out from a sweatshirt and self-adhesive ACE bandage. He has a video on youtube showing how to cut it. I didn't find this wrap technique to be comfortable and I also wasn't able to hang as much weight using his wrap recommendation do to slippage. With this wrap I could only hang 11 lbs due to the slipping. It is made of smooth plastic which provides no grip. Now this doesn't take away from the hanger. Every man must find the most comfortable and effective way to use a PE device for themselves. What works great for you may not work for me and vice versa. But I don't imagine small pieces of sweatshirt and self-adhesive ACE bandage can provide much comfort and support for anybody unless they are only hanging low weights consistently. The maker of hanger actually has a video showing how to fix that problem if needed. You also must tighten the hanger as you hang more weight. I wonder if some men who experience slipping aren't tightening the hanger before adding more weight. How tight it has to be at 2 lbs is less then how tight it has to be at 15 lbs. It may be something as simple as that for some men.

When I used my wrap (sports pre-wrap and ACE bandage) I was able to hang more comfortably. I could not hang as much weight as I am able to with other hangers. I only got up to 16 lbs using the hanger and it was to intense on the skin. This is likely because it doesn't have the rubber pads other tools do to grip the wrapped penis.

The threaded rod you use to tighten the hanger onto your penis can be tough to push down into its groove. As you continue to push the threaded rod into the groove it will rub away some of the plastic and allow it to fit in more easily. I find the wing nut to be just a bit small but this only leads to tightening the hanger a little slower.

This product has good customer service. On the hanger website it has its own forum. The forum isn't busy though. You can also contact the hanger creator at the MattersOfSize forums. Along with the hanger you will receive a letter of thanks for purchasing as well as the hanger creator requesting you start a progress thread on the major PE forums documenting your use of the hanger and any gains made using it. I think that is a great idea. It is important to know that if you do this it will possibly be met with great criticism by these forums. This is because the hanger creator did this himself making fake screen names and pretending to be a happy hanger customer. This was a marketing scam.

 

[templnite]

This! This is the point some people don't seem to get.

I would like peopleto take a good long look at themself and ask themself if their behavior has a positive or negative effect on the brotherhood?

I have the last couple of days continued to see the same few guys mud throwing at eachother again and again.

And i have warned about this before aswell!

I will get in contact with the other mods and DLD. And find out what further actions we should do

As it is now this is not beneficial for the brotherhood something needs to change.

Hey man are you noticing how I haven't said anything to ykm after you wrote this? I haven't said anything to kyomoto for like a month either (he's blocked), and no negative thoughts going on as you can see how I diffused the superman conversation quickly (when anybody else would have taken offense of his wording). You have no reason to ban right:blush:? I wish I didn't have to go learn political correctness, but I will if the people flagging me demand it

 

[stillwantmore]

Alright, so I will give you my opinions on how I feel this sounds. Breaking it down by paragraphs.

The hanger is a penis hanging device. It uses compression to hold the penis in place. It utilizes a very simple plastic mold design that opens and closes with a hinge. To close the hanger on the penis you use a threaded rod and wing nut. This allows for easy control of how tight the hanger is made.

Nothing Here.

The key to using the hanger comfortably is how you wrap the penis. The hanger creator recommends wrapping using a layer of material cut out from a sweatshirt and self-adhesive ACE bandage. He has a video on youtube showing how to cut it. I didn't find this wrap technique to be comfortable and I also wasn't able to hang as much weight using his wrap recommendation do to slippage. With this wrap I could only hang 11 lbs due to the slipping. It is made of smooth plastic which provides no grip. Now this doesn't take away from the hanger. Every man must find the most comfortable and effective way to use a PE device for themselves. What works great for you may not work for me and vice versa. But I don't imagine small pieces of sweatshirt and self-adhesive ACE bandage can provide much comfort and support for anybody unless they are only hanging low weights consistently. The maker of hanger actually has a video showing how to fix that problem if needed. You also must tighten the hanger as you hang more weight. I wonder if some men who experience slipping aren't tightening the hanger before adding more weight. How tight it has to be at 2 lbs is less then how tight it has to be at 15 lbs. It may be something as simple as that for some men.

You leave out that I actually suggest very precise amounts of sweatshirt material and self adhesive wraps. I suggest the brands of self adhesive wraps as well. This is due to the fact that not all are equal in quality and the cheaper, thinner brands of self adhesive wraps don't last as long, and also affect proper fitting. How a man wraps impacts hanger fit. I give (as you do mention) a extra video showing how to further improve wrapping technique. I guess you do not understand that men who start off using the hanger start with low weights and over several months slowly work up in weight. Most of my customers are not from the PE community and most also are totally non experienced hangers. They do not have previous hanger experience and do not come to my device expecting (usually) to hang similar amounts of weight as they could with another device. Starting with my hanger requires basically starting over as if you have not used anything else previously. If a guy comes to my hanger and goes right to double digit weights, his penis has had no time to adapt with tissue conditioning.
I coach men from day one (in my guides as well) that they need to tighten their hanger as tight as possible with additional tightening after a few minutes of hang time in each set. There's no rule saying that less tightness is needed for lower weights than for higher weights. This is poor technique, improper hanger use and does not condition a man mentally and physically as he adapts to higher weights. If he is not used to always having his hanger as tight as possible. Making a solid anchor point always, regardless of weight used is what I teach.

When I used my wrap (sports pre-wrap and ACE bandage) I was able to hang more comfortably. I could not hang as much weight as I am able to with other hangers. I only got up to 16 lbs using the hanger and it was to intense on the skin. This is likely because it doesn't have the rubber pads other tools do to grip the wrapped penis.

The threaded rod you use to tighten the hanger onto your penis can be tough to push down into its groove. As you continue to push the threaded rod into the groove it will rub away some of the plastic and allow it to fit in more easily. I find the wing nut to be just a bit small but this only leads to tightening the hanger a little slower.

What other hangers? Vac devices? Comparing my hanger to another is not fair as, different hangers work differently. So, of course, your experience with brand A vs mine is different. Again, you have no previous experience with my device...no long term experience where you had time to adapt your penis to using my device. So, it is in fact an unfair review when you have no long term (several months vs what days??) experience using my hanger. The smoothness of the inside of the hanger is not detrimental to hanger fit when used properly as I explained above.

This product has good customer service. On the hanger website it has its own forum. The forum isn't busy though. You can also contact the hanger creator at the MattersOfSize forums. Along with the hanger you will receive a letter of thanks for purchasing as well as the hanger creator requesting you start a progress thread on the major PE forums documenting your use of the hanger and any gains made using it. I think that is a great idea. It is important to know that if you do this it will possibly be met with great criticism by these forums. This is because the hanger creator did this himself making fake screen names and pretending to be a happy hanger customer. This was a marketing scam.

Thanks, I do indeed do my best to coach each customer one on one and treat them like a good friend. The forum is not busy. That's true. I did not design my forum as a social hang out. There are plenty of those elsewhere. My support forum is mostly that. Support. I host my how to material there. Most men who need help reach out to me by email. Unlike on say, BIB's forum....have you compared his how to material? His resources? He has no detailed step by step guides with step by step pictures as well as step by step videos. His customers NEED his support. Most of mine do not need mine. Yes, I have admitted to acting somewhat underhandedly in the past making a couple false accounts to help promote my hangers early on. However, how many others have done similar? Bathmate's a big one notorious for having done so. I was just singled out and made an example of.

I'm not upset here. I am just giving my feedback on how things sound to me.

 

[youknowme123321]

I'm not upset here. I am just giving my feedback on how things sound to me.

Thank you very much. I will start by saying 2 things. One - I wouldn't think you were upset and I appreciate the feedback. Two - I will add to my written review to visit your forum and videos for more detailed description of your wrapping techniques. I'll add this below my video link as well. Is it in your videos or written in your forum the precise sizes and brands you recommend? Thank you.

I guess you do not understand that men who start off using the hanger start with low weights and over several months slowly work up in weight.

Yes I do understand this. Not sure why you guess that I don't. Throughout many of my videos I recommend building up intensity slowly.

Starting with my hanger requires basically starting over as if you have not used anything else previously. If a guy comes to my hanger and goes right to double digit weights, his penis has had no time to adapt with tissue conditioning.

I don't totally agree here. I do in the way that it is a good idea to not just apply a new hanger and immediately put the same weight you were doing with another hanger. This is why I only got up to 15 lbs comfortably with the MH2. I started below 5 lbs and felt nothing and added until I couldn't where the device comfortably. I make sure to say in the reviews I am sure it is possible to hang more weight with the MH2 but that takes time to build up to.

I coach men from day one (in my guides as well) that they need to tighten their hanger as tight as possible with additional tightening after a few minutes of hang time in each set. There's no rule saying that less tightness is needed for lower weights than for higher weights. This is poor technique, improper hanger use and does not condition a man mentally and physically as he adapts to higher weights. If he is not used to always having his hanger as tight as possible. Making a solid anchor point always, regardless of weight used is what I teach.

There's no rule that you must tighten your hanger as tight as possible right away either. I do agree with additional tightening after initial application though. But now we're just talking opinions. I disagree that saying less tightness for less weight is poor technique, improper hanger use, and does not condition a man mentally and physically as he adapts to higher weights. I personally never tightened a hanger as tight as possible right away. I feel that is useless to do. Why tighten as much for 3 lbs as you would for 10 lbs. This is probably why at one point in working with the LM I was able to hang for 50-55 minutes before I needed to remove the LM. I took my time learning how my penis responded to varying weights and intensities and is why I always recommend building up slowly over time. How much to tighten a tool just comes down to personal experience, opinion, and desire. Nothing either of us mentioned here is set in stone.

What other hangers? Vac devices? Comparing my hanger to another is not fair as, different hangers work differently. So, of course, your experience with brand A vs mine is different. Again, you have no previous experience with my device...no long term experience where you had time to adapt your penis to using my device. So, it is in fact an unfair review when you have no long term (several months vs what days??) experience using my hanger. The smoothness of the inside of the hanger is not detrimental to hanger fit when used properly as I explained above.

The other hangers I have on my site. Comparing hangers is completely fair. Comparison is based on opinion and that doesn't make something unfair. Me comparing an air pump to other types of pumps isn't unfair to do just as comparing your hanger to others isn't unfair to do. That is like saying don't compare a Toyota truck to and Chevy truck b/c it would be unfair to do so, they work differently. Whatever their differences are is what is part of the comparison as trucks or penis hanging tools. I used your tool for one month. I was able to derive what I wanted to know in that time period. If I felt it was as good of a tool as the LM as I was previously using I would have stuck with it. But for myself the LM was the tool I was choosing to go back to.
As far as smoothness of the inside of the MH2 I made sure to say that is easy to combat on 2 or three occasions.

Thanks, I do indeed do my best to coach each customer one on one and treat them like a good friend. The forum is not busy. That's true. I did not design my forum as a social hang out. There are plenty of those elsewhere. My support forum is mostly that. Support. I host my how to material there. Most men who need help reach out to me by email. Unlike on say, BIB's forum....have you compared his how to material? His resources? He has no detailed step by step guides with step by step pictures as well as step by step videos. His customers NEED his support. Most of mine do not need mine. Yes, I have admitted to acting somewhat underhandedly in the past making a couple false accounts to help promote my hangers early on. However, how many others have done similar? Bathmate's a big one notorious for having done so. I was just singled out and made an example of.

I've never used a bib and therefore never looked into how he operates. My only advice to men when it comes to the bib is that it is likely an overpriced tool for what it is. I recommend the MH2 over the bib when someone is interested in taking the bib route and I take heat for it at the other forums but that doesn't matter to me b/c I believe it is the better choice. It is likely equally as good of not better but much more affordable and if in fact you offer support more easily to you customers that is an added bonus along with the affordability.

 

[stillwantmore]

Yes, in my how to guide, I tell what lengths of wraps to use. They are suggestions and usually work, but some men need to experiment with the suggestions, regardless. I guess we will have to make a gentleman's' agreement and agree to disagree on our opinions. Mine are based on what seems to work for myself and most of the men I work with.

 

[youknowme123321]

Yes, in my how to guide, I tell what lengths of wraps to use. They are suggestions and usually work, but some men need to experiment with the suggestions, regardless. I guess we will have to make a gentleman's' agreement and agree to disagree on our opinions. Mine are based on what seems to work for myself and most of the men I work with.

Sounds good to me. Thank you for your feedback. I will add the wrap stuff to my site soon.

 

[Commodore]

See.. YKM is a good guy.

 

[kyomoto]

Can't we all just get along really? I mean with all the other shit going on in the world these days, this forum should not add any more stress to someone's life.

Right?

See.. YKM is a good guy.

He never was a bad guy....templnite on the other hand.....yeesh!

 

[DLD]

He never was a bad guy....templnite on the other hand.....yeesh!

Please do not start more arguing!

This thread is for one reason and there is no debate, follow the rules. Part of the rules is showing one another respect. I encourage debates but I frown heavily on personal attacks.

 

[youknowme123321]

See.. YKM is a good guy.

Right?



He never was a bad guy....templnite on the other hand.....yeesh!

Thank you. I always try to be reasonable when discussing a topic. Especially if I have an opposing view. I'm always aware that I may be wrong and there could be more to learn.

And most importantly I always provide as much supporting evidence as I can if needed. I rarely say something if I have nothing to back it up.

 

[Aimingforthetop]

We have pm'ed some of the members on the forum with warnings. But everyone should be able to be here without feeling attacked.

Even if you came off wrong with someone. Remember thst we are communicating through a screen. So many things can be lost in translation. And culture.

Im not saying take shit from everybody.

But the person you hate the most. Is properly the person who needs most support.

This is a forum for guys who want to increase their penis size.

For some guys this is a very touchy subject. And a little bit of fear. And humiliation is what comes to a lot of guys in the beginning as they try and solve this.

We can not be a supportive forum when the attitude is like this!

I know how it feels to feel atagonized or provoked etc.

But really if you are really that pissed at eachother. Take it in a pm.

Hell meet up and start an underground fightclub together.

But this forum is not for wrestling.

Its for growing.

Everyone here should consider if they perhaps. Stepped over someones toes.

And if you actually have the fucking balls to do so.

Say sorry if you know that you went over the edge on someone.

Even a retard on ecstazy can go on a rampage.

It takes self awareness and fucking balls to know if you have fucked up and confess it.

And im sorry. This thread. Show me no such thing. I see a whole lot of people who doesn't seem to be able to look beyond the tip of their own nose.

Stop and think if you are part of the problem. Or part of the solution?

Are you making the brotherhood stronger?
Or are you making it weak?

 

[youknowme123321]

We have pm'ed some of the members on the forum with warnings. But everyone should be able to be here without feeling attacked.

Even if you came off wrong with someone. Remember thst we are communicating through a screen. So many things can be lost in translation. And culture.

Im not saying take shit from everybody.

But the person you hate the most. Is properly the person who needs most support.

This is a forum for guys who want to increase their penis size.

For some guys this is a very touchy subject. And a little bit of fear. And humiliation is what comes to a lot of guys in the beginning as they try and solve this.

We can not be a supportive forum when the attitude is like this!

I know how it feels to feel atagonized or provoked etc.

But really if you are really that pissed at eachother. Take it in a pm.

Hell meet up and start an underground fightclub together.

But this forum is not for wrestling.

Its for growing.

Everyone here should consider if they perhaps. Stepped over someones toes.

And if you actually have the fucking balls to do so.

Say sorry if you know that you went over the edge on someone.

Even a retard on ecstazy can go on a rampage.

It takes self awareness and fucking balls to know if you have fucked up and confess it.

And im sorry. This thread. Show me no such thing. I see a whole lot of people who doesn't seem to be able to look beyond the tip of their own nose.

Stop and think if you are part of the problem. Or part of the solution?

Are you making the brotherhood stronger?
Or are you making it weak?

Well said. I do apologize for my part in this. I have a tough time letting things slide. With the few members I have had run ins with I have thought to myself, "just forget about it and move on." but find myself not being able to b/c for various reasons. The major reason being I don't want someone speaking (typing) that way to me in front (well, on a computer) of others when I feel they are lying or being rude.

I can promise I will no longer partake in a confrontation like that in the public forums and if needed but hopefully it won't be, I will message any member in private to discuss such matters.

I'd be down for a fight club btw, lol. Often times when you come across someone who just doesn't know how to behave they often times have never been punched in the face.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

One thing leads to another,we start arguing about a certain topic n we end up arguing about eveything but the main issue we had started talkin in the beggining.

Its complicated because we use the forums as an escape sometimes too,sometimes being rude to each other or using mean words to each other can be counterproductive.

This is one of the fewest places where we share things n even knowledge that we dont share in the outside world.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

As you have stated the ones that are insulting n the disrepecting the most are the ones that need our help the most...we all want to grow n improve.

 

[youknowme123321]

sometimes being rude to each other or using mean words to each other can be counterproductive.

It's counterproductive pretty much all the time, lol. It takes someone to continue being rude to me and to continue to use "mean" words before I do the same to them. But from this one I know I will no longer take part in any of that. It looks bad no matter who is right or wrong and provides no help