I told everyone not to post products in the main forum! PLEASE READ!

[DLD]

Only tools that MOS is affiliated with.

In the proper forums. So SizeGenetics posts go in the SizeGenetics forum, BathMate posts go in the BathMate forum, new products go in the PE Products and Reviews, etc.

 

[DLD]

This is surprising for me to see here at MOS.

What surprises you? These rules have been in place for more than a decade.

 

[DLD]

Mike I've been tell'em for thousands of years, but they don't respect the brotherhood's integrity. I don't want to see mentioned anything that isn't officially in the brotherhood such as the 'penilizer', or 'miracle slider extender'.

I'll altruistically shelter you in my home. I'll clothe you, let you eat my food, but the second you want to get political, and make your own rules its all over! :blush:

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You understand and I appreciate that.

 

[DLD]

Let me pose this question; If you owned a coffee shop would you want other coffee sellers to come into your shop and sell their wares?

 

[DLD]

And don't bring KingSnake into this, he does not sell his hanger, he gives direction to make it for free.

 

[DLD]

Let me add this to the original post. If you are using a product in your routine and progress thread feel free to post it, this is the exception to the rule. But also, please, post it in the PE Products and Reviews. This will help us see what is working and what is not and make choices to new equipment.

 

[DLD]

And lastly, if this was about me making more money strike that from your mind! I have been offered a great deal of money to companies who have wanted to sell their shit on the forum. I could be selling 100's of things that don't work just to make money. If anyone thinks I am in this for the money, check my history!

 

[acromegaly]

Personally, and I can only speak for myself, I can not be bought one way or another. Any devices or methods I promote is simply because it worked for me and I want other people to reach their goals. I would not promote a device unless it worked, even if I was offered lots of money. Time is the most precious commodity and I would never want to waste some one else's time trying something that doesn't work.

 

[acromegaly]

But I agree with DLD. Do not advise other people on a product unless YOU have used it for at least several months and have seen gains from it. This forum has too much integrity to allow random adds for crap.

 

[DLD]

But I agree with DLD. Do not advise other people on a product unless YOU have used it for at least several months and have seen gains from it. This forum has too much integrity to allow random adds for crap.

Exactly. The Brotherhood is not a place to prostitute products that we have no experience with. If I have not used it myself and deemed it to be safe I will not sell it. Only products that are proven and popular become a possibility for partnership. It should be understood that MOS requires quite a bit from an affiliate. First we require a discount that is lower than what the partner sells it for or we need additions to bring more value. Next, we require a representative be here to answer questions and give support, we also require every new affiliate have their forum in our Forums. Finally we require a warranty greater than what is normally offered. So you can see there is a lot of shit for a partner to go through before they can be an affiliate.

As I said, I could sell bullshit here and get rich but this is NOT Brotherly. I want to protect each Brother here and make sure they are not only safe from shit products that could cause damage or simply do not work. Believe you me! If there is a product that is great for PE it will be here. We get these offers before any other forum and they come in constantly, when one looks promising I will get samples and try it myself and with the help of a few other Brothers here. If we love it it will make the cut.

 

[runningignus]

Holy sweet Jesus. All these years and this is the first I've seen the Godfather go straight hardcore HAM. Just post the right information in the right thread. How hard is that. We're brothers looking out for each other. If the master gets mad, he gonna take it out on all the slaves. C'mon now brothers. No more quick jabs with product in people's threads. Just send them to the correct forum and thread. It's always best to ask before jumping off the bridge. So who could take the place of DLD if he just shut this shit down. No one. We would truly see who has an agenda and what money can really do to people. To us that cannot be persuaded or give up, let's keep this site the best, the way it's always been. No other site has come close. NONE.

 

[youknowme123321]

I could give 2 fucks what you think. If you break the rules I will ban you. And do not make this look like I do not allow products to be posted, read the thread again!

Woah. I just read through the thread and saw your clear explanations and now it makes complete sense. MOS in a way is streamlining so that categories have what they are supposed to have in them. In the OP this wasn’t clear to me. At first read it seemed as though MOS was being restrictive and did not want to see posts about other tools and that is why I said in post #3 I was surprised to see this at MOS. But with the explanation you went on to provide in this thread it is clear now that I had the wrong idea. I don’t have a problem being wrong. I’m not sensitive.

Actually they will not have to, if the rule is broken and a warning is given and they offend again they will be banned.

True that makes sense.

I guess you did not read the thread we made last month. There is absolutely no restrictions on posting products if they are posted in the right forum. MOS will not be a prostitute for other products. If you find a product that you feel will be beneficial to the Brotherhood post it in the PE Products Review section and if there is enough support behind it I will invite them to be a partner. We put our partners through the most strict vetting before they become an affiliate. We require special pricing, a representative on the forum to answer questions and a warranty and product that are solid. When people make posts about other products in the wrong forum it makes it appear that we support this and then when someone gets hurt or the product does not work they come after MOS. This rule is very simple and for very good reason. I have protected the integrity of the Brotherhood for 14 years and I am not about to stop!

Thank you for this great explanation. This clears up what was missing, for myself at least, in being able to fully understand the OP.

You know what, by my standards and the rest of the Brotherhood! We do not ignore good products, why the fuck do you think we have products? If you can't understand this go try to start a forum again. You have already blemished the Brotherhood, you will not do this again. If you continue to try to divide this Brotherhood you will be gone for good. If you even MENTION the slider extender, which is incredibly dangerous, I will ban you. I think you have something going with slider extender. And LIGHTNINg and I have warned you about that in the past. I am watching every move you make, one more political, bullshit, divisional posts you gone for good.

Woah. Try to start a forum again? I never tried to start a forum. How did I blemish the brotherhood? The only thing I have ever tried to do is provide help based on my experience with PE and PE tools. I’d still upload videos here but the file size is limited to 500mb. The rumors I came back to see after my hiatus away from PE, which includes a hiatus from my PE video library along with all PE forums, talking about me deleting my videos were untrue.

Divide the brotherhood? I have always gotten along great with members here except ADF, TKTO, and now tempinite. All 3 of those members are clearly the same person. They talk the same and all had a problem with me and my videos. When you have a point that differs from theirs they would just say something random about religion or something. None of them like someone who disagreed with them. Other members like myself don’t mind being wrong and having discussions to be able to better understand a topic or situation. Like kyomoto and I did about his masturbation study. When I had opposing thoughts and shared that with kyomoto he provided more explanation and allowed me to better understand what he was doing and how he came to his individual conclusion. It was nice…we spoke to each other like adults.

Something going with the slider people? You say this just b/c I think it is a great extender. I say that about the PMP too and recommend the PMP over the slider but only recommend the slider when someone is saving money or interested in traditional style extender head pieces with the noose/strap. There are multiple sellers of that extender. It wouldn’t make sense for me to recommend people to eBay and tell them to search for that extender unless there was only one vendor of that tool. And it wouldn’t be very good business to do that when I can just be affiliated with the big hitters like bathmate, phallosan, x4, pmp and others if I wanted to make money off of tools.

Stillwantmore is a partner here, he is one of our affiliates. Know what you are talking about before you make ignorant comments!

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I know this. I’m not sure why you said this. I didn’t mention SWM in relation to being an affiliate with MOS in any of my posts. I only mentioned SWM in reference to the fact that I have a wrapping video for his tool to help men who may need help finding a comfortable wrap for that tool even though it isn’t the first hanger I would recommend to someone if asked but if I can help someone who has his hanger then great, I am happy to. And then also in reference to finding a post that he shared liking Max vac hanger and extender.

In the proper forums. So SizeGenetics posts go in the SizeGenetics forum, BathMate posts go in the BathMate forum, new products go in the PE Products and Reviews, etc.

This is one of the great explanations that showed me of the “stream lining” MOS is doing to keep posts where they should be b/c categories exist in the forums for a reason. This reminded me there are many categories to discuss all topics.

What surprises you? These rules have been in place for more than a decade.

I explain why I was surprised at the beginning of this post

Let me pose this question; If you owned a coffee shop would you want other coffee sellers to come into your shop and sell their wares?

If I had a coffee discussion forum I wouldn’t mind it. But I would do like MOS and have a section of the forum for discussion of coffee products that aren’t directly promoted by my coffee forum
b/c after you provided explanation that better explained it for me I understand it fully. Forums based around just talking everything coffee actually exist, interesting.

And don't bring KingSnake into this, he does not sell his hanger, he gives direction to make it for free.

I didn’t bring up kingsnake in reference to the snake hanger. I love the snake hanger. It was the first hanger I shared pics of here on MOS. I brought up kingsnake b/c when tempinite mentioned members here reporting injuries with the lg/vachanger. That member was kingsnake. tempinite then went on to call those tools unsafe b/c of the the urehtral bleeding kingsnake reported having from the lg. I then explained to tempinite the many reports of injuries he should look into with various tools b/c with the way he thinks he will think every tool is unsafe if a little urethral bleeding makes a tool unsafe to use.

Let me add this to the original post. If you are using a product in your routine and progress thread feel free to post it, this is the exception to the rule. But also, please, post it in the PE Products and Reviews. This will help us see what is working and what is not and make choices to new equipment.

Thank you for this explanation.

And lastly, if this was about me making more money strike that from your mind! I have been offered a great deal of money to companies who have wanted to sell their shit on the forum. I could be selling 100's of things that don't work just to make money. If anyone thinks I am in this for the money, check my history!

I never said it was ABOUT making money. I was clear to say in my posts that MOS is affiliated with certain brands b/c MOS believes in those products. I never said it was for money.

Personally, and I can only speak for myself, I can not be bought one way or another. Any devices or methods I promote is simply because it worked for me and I want other people to reach their goals. I would not promote a device unless it worked, even if I was offered lots of money. Time is the most precious commodity and I would never want to waste some one else's time trying something that doesn't work.

Same here. This is why I even share how to use videos on tools that I wouldn’t use regularly myself. I did use every tool on my site for over at least a month each that way I could provide an educated opinion. But even for those tools I don’t recommend to others I still have videos available to help another man who may have those tools and is looking to improve their use of it such as the x4 labs extender or the malehanger2. Just b/c a tool isn’t for me doesn’t mean it’s not the best tool for someone else and I will help them if I can or if it is needed.

But I agree with DLD. Do not advise other people on a product unless YOU have used it for at least several months and have seen gains from it. This forum has too much integrity to allow random adds for crap.

I agree with you here as well. I have only ever given advice and recommendation on tools I have used. Whether I recommend for or against a tool my opinion is always based on personal use with that tool.

Exactly. The Brotherhood is not a place to prostitute products that we have no experience with. If I have not used it myself and deemed it to be safe I will not sell it. Only products that are proven and popular become a possibility for partnership. It should be understood that MOS requires quite a bit from an affiliate. First we require a discount that is lower than what the partner sells it for or we need additions to bring more value. Next, we require a representative be here to answer questions and give support, we also require every new affiliate have their forum in our Forums. Finally we require a warranty greater than what is normally offered. So you can see there is a lot of shit for a partner to go through before they can be an affiliate.

As I said, I could sell bullshit here and get rich but this is NOT Brotherly. I want to protect each Brother here and make sure they are not only safe from shit products that could cause damage or simply do not work. Believe you me! If there is a product that is great for PE it will be here. We get these offers before any other forum and they come in constantly, when one looks promising I will get samples and try it myself and with the help of a few other Brothers here. If we love it it will make the cut.

I only discuss and give advice on products I have experience with. Thanks for this great explanation as well.

 

[templnite]

^Politicians :s always trying to cover their ass

 

[youknowme123321]

^Politicians :s always trying to cover their ass

^politicians always lying and changing the subject when they get caught. Take care ADF. Oops tkto. oops tempinite

 

[stillwantmore]

Thanks DLD for asking me to chime in. I believe in what we do here. I also appreciate DLD allowing me to partner with MoS. I admit my own reputation over the years has been far from spotless and I have acted selfish at times. However, I have changed.
Yes, at one time I helped promote the "Max Vac" hanger. However, I later discovered the guy selling them, Chad aka "BTC Killer" was ripping off customers. He would take orders and not ship them. He was also dishonest about how well the hanger worked. He admitted to me privately that his hanger was prone to causing blisters after around 15bs, but publicly acted as if blisters were caused by user error.

I donate regularly to MOS and am transparent about doing so. I support my customers as well.

I appreciate the feedback YKM gave on my hanger but at the same time, you never came to me for help. Even after I read your "review" on your site and emailed you. Rather you gave a VERY one sided "review" and made it sound like I deliberately sell a flawed product and like it is cumbersome to use my hanger due to how you must wrap to get it to work for you. Your site actually reminds me more of that "ripoff report"/bribe site than an honest review site. Men who actually come to me for coaching can usually get my hanger to work. As a last case scenario, I give refunds, but that is unusual.

 

[templnite]

That what I like about you still you're direct, and genuine not like others who try fabricating an environment where they can be their weasel self.

 

[stillwantmore]

Well, I have been a weasel myself. So I guess it takes one to know one lol.

 

[templnite]

Yeah man stay keepin it real

 

[youknowme123321]

Thanks DLD for asking me to chime in. I believe in what we do here. I also appreciate DLD allowing me to partner with MoS. I admit my own reputation over the years has been far from spotless and I have acted selfish at times. However, I have changed.
Yes, at one time I helped promote the "Max Vac" hanger. However, I later discovered the guy selling them, Chad aka "BTC Killer" was ripping off customers. He would take orders and not ship them. He was also dishonest about how well the hanger worked. He admitted to me privately that his hanger was prone to causing blisters after around 15bs, but publicly acted as if blisters were caused by user error.

I donate regularly to MOS and am transparent about doing so. I support my customers as well.

I appreciate the feedback YKM gave on my hanger but at the same time, you never came to me for help. Rather you gave a VERY one sided "review" and made it sound like I deliberately sell a flawed product and like it is cumbersome to use my hanger due to how you must wrap to get it to work for you. Men who actually come to me for coaching can usually get my hanger to work. As a last case scenario, I give refunds, but that is unusual.

Oh wow that is interesting about the max vac guy. Thank you bringing that to light for me and others who didn't know that. I just watched my hanger videos again and I don't see where it was VERY one sided or that I made it seem like you deliberately sell a flawed tool. I don't think you sell a flawed tool. I believe there are better compression hangers such as the LM but that doesn't mean I think you believe your product isn't as good as others and deliberately sell a flawed product. You likely believe the MH2 is as good as any hanger and you should. What I like is based on my opinion and whats works best for me. I continually say the MH2 is a good hanger and that if I were to continue with it as my main hanger I believe I could hang as much weight as I could with the LM. I am very honest in my video and I am sure to say that I believe men could hang heavier weight then I am able to if they use the MH2 regularly and find a wrap that works best for them.

I watched your wrapping videos and tried the methods you recommend for overcoming the issue of slipping and it wasn't enough for me which is why I came up with my wrap for it. If you have any other suggestions outside of those videos I would enjoy hearing it and trying it.

I also don't know where I made it seem cumbersome to use your hanger. I explained in the video how and why I wrap that way for the MH2 but at no point did I say it was a pain or cumbersome to do so. I wrap that same way for the LM.

If you would take the time to share with me where you feel I was VERY one sided and where I made it sound like you deliberately sell a flawed product I will be more then happy to take it into consideration and redo the video if I agree with you. Also please share where I made it seem like I found the wrap cumbersome. Like I said if I end up agreeing with you I would be happy to make another video. I am always open to learning new ways to use tools and then sharing that information. I attached the link to the video below so you don't have to go to my site and find it.

hanger Wrap & Use - XVIDEOS.COM

 

[youknowme123321]

That what I like about you still you're direct, and genuine not like others who try fabricating an environment where they can be their weasel self.

Please provide MOS with one example of where I lie or act like a weasel? You won't be able to give me one example.

Well, I have been a weasel myself. So I guess it takes one to know one lol.

I've never done anything remotely close to what you did in the past. If you have any weasel behavior you've seen in me that makes you feel you can say, "it takes one to know one" when having a conversation about me please share as well.