Active extending vs Hanging in terms of safety.

MaxRichards · Jun 26, 2016

Ok I'm calling it: Using an SG extender beyond it's limits is a safer way to stretch than hanging weights.

My reasoning is that an extender is far more controlled and it's an incremental application of force compared to a free hanging weight.

When you extend an SG past the point where the springs disengage, you're using just the mechanics of the screws being wound out, so what you're doing is applying a heavy, controlled force over a very short distance, absolutely no way to accidentally over-stretch...

deadwood187 · Jun 26, 2016

MaxRichards;698203 said:
Ok I'm calling it: Using an SG extender beyond it's limits is a safer way to stretch than hanging weights.

My reasoning is that an extender is far more controlled and it's an incremental application of force compared to a free hanging weight.

When you extend an SG past the point where the springs disengage, you're using just the mechanics of the screws being wound out, so what you're doing is applying a heavy, controlled force over a very short distance, absolutely no way to accidentally over-stretch...

As a hanger-I agree.Hanging can be dangerous.Main reason is the shills who claim they hang "20+ pounds" a day for 4+ hours. That's all bullshit.

Hanging is tough on the penis and when you get 10+pounds you are in some real hardcore territory.

Put it this way: An extender can give max. 6.5 pounds of pressure. For a hanger that is nothing.

MaxRichards · Jun 27, 2016

deadwood187;698214 said:
Put it this way: An extender can give max. 6.5 pounds of pressure. For a hanger that is nothing.

Is that with the springs engaged?

How would I go about measuring the force beyond that? (When you over extend the SG until the screw threads are showing at the base)

deadwood187 · Jun 27, 2016

MaxRichards;698227 said:
Is that with the springs engaged?

How would I go about measuring the force beyond that? (When you over extend the SG until the screw threads are showing at the base)

Some dude measured a few extenders with a device that gives you how many pounds it's exerting on your penis. The max. he measured was 6.6 pounds. But most were around 5-6 pounds at highest setting. I have the thread saved , I have to find it for you.

Munto · Jun 27, 2016

deadwood187;698214 said:
As a hanger-I agree.Hanging can be dangerous.Main reason is the shills who claim they hang "20+ pounds" a day for 4+ hours. That's all bullshit.

Well, right now I'm hanging 7kg or 15.4lbs for the third session today, each session is 20-30 minutes long.

kyomoto · Jun 27, 2016

MaxRichards;698203 said:
Ok I'm calling it: Using an SG extender beyond it's limits is a safer way to stretch than hanging weights.

My reasoning is that an extender is far more controlled and it's an incremental application of force compared to a free hanging weight.

When you extend an SG past the point where the springs disengage, you're using just the mechanics of the screws being wound out, so what you're doing is applying a heavy, controlled force over a very short distance, absolutely no way to accidentally over-stretch...

Comparing the force of a extender to a hanger at how many pounds do you believe the extender can exert?

DLD · Jun 27, 2016

I have always thought that being under high stress for long periods brings length gains faster than using heavy weights for short periods. I think the combination of the two would be best, as it would cover short and long term length work.

MaxRichards · Jun 27, 2016

kyomoto;698250 said:
Comparing the force of a extender to a hanger at how many pounds do you believe the extender can exert?

I don't know... and I also don't think it matters *too* much because once you reach the absolute maximum distance on your extender, it's usually time to add bars and start the process again.

I have been doing just this and found that it's about a 3-4 week gains cycle. You get to a plateau which I believe is a healing/consolidation phase and then BAM, you push the extender even further, add bars then repeat the process.

In theory it's just like adding more weight to get more stretch... but safely, in a controlled manner.

With hanging, I'd say you're relying *purely* on more weight to get more stretch

MaxRichards · Jun 27, 2016

deadwood187;698234 said:
Some dude measured a few extenders with a device that gives you how many pounds it's exerting on your penis. The max. he measured was 6.6 pounds. But most were around 5-6 pounds at highest setting. I have the thread saved , I have to find it for you.

That would be awesome, would love to see how he measured them and whether he was measuring the spring tension or the mechanical stretch, beyond spring tension...

kyomoto · Jun 27, 2016

MaxRichards;698290 said:
I don't know... and I also don't think it matters *too* much because once you reach the absolute maximum distance on your extender, it's usually time to add bars and start the process again.

I have been doing just this and found that it's about a 3-4 week gains cycle. You get to a plateau which I believe is a healing/consolidation phase and then BAM, you push the extender even further, add bars then repeat the process.

In theory it's just like adding more weight to get more stretch... but safely, in a controlled manner.

With hanging, I'd say you're relying *purely* on more weight to get more stretch

Oh okay. And which would you say is easier.

For an extender, is it the same method of getting the penis ready for a hanger? because I cant hang since my glands are too small. Do you think i'd have trouble with an extender too?

DLD · Jun 28, 2016

kyomoto;698308 said:
Oh okay. And which would you say is easier.

For an extender, is it the same method of getting the penis ready for a hanger? because I cant hang since my glands are too small. Do you think i'd have trouble with an extender too?

You would be fine in the SizeGenetics or the Phallosan as you can adjust to any size. The VLC makes it very possible for everyone to use the SizeGenetics. The Phallosan is also a good choice as the adjustments can be made by you in many ways. Much of hanging, extending, LengthMasytering all depend greatly on wrapping, when this is mastered everything falls into place.

kyomoto · Jun 28, 2016

doublelongdaddy;698406 said:
You would be fine in the SizeGenetics or the Phallosan as you can adjust to any size. The VLC makes it very possible for everyone to use the SizeGenetics. The Phallosan is also a good choice as the adjustments can be made by you in many ways. Much of hanging, extending, LengthMasytering all depend greatly on wrapping, when this is mastered everything falls into place.

oh okay. would u say extenders are just as effective as LM if using extension for great periods at long durations

MaxRichards · Jun 28, 2016

Kyomoto, can we keep this thread on topic please?

Apologies if you're wanting to discuss using the lengthmaster in hanging mode, but that's just hanging anyway, the device is irrelevant.

We're talking controlled extension using mechanical force vs free heavyweight hanging using gravity and the safety vs effectiveness of both.

Manual stretching (with hands or a device like lengthmaster) is another subject entirely and is something I do as a warmup pre-extendering.

MaxRichards · Jun 28, 2016

doublelongdaddy;698406 said:
Much of hanging, extending, LengthMasytering all depend greatly on wrapping, when this is mastered everything falls into place.

This.

kyomoto · Jun 28, 2016

MaxRichards;698430 said:
Kyomoto, can we keep this thread on topic please?

Apologies if you're wanting to discuss using the lengthmaster in hanging mode, but that's just hanging anyway, the device is irrelevant.

We're talking controlled extension using mechanical force vs free heavyweight hanging using gravity and the safety vs effectiveness of both.

Manual stretching (with hands or a device like lengthmaster) is another subject entirely and is something I do as a warmup pre-extendering.

They're the same to me for hanging, I never spoke about stretching manually, I've only asked what force would the difference in any hanger be in comparison to an extender. whatever the case my question was answered. Sorry for interrupting your thread.

Aside from that I think extenders are safer.

stillwantmore · Jun 29, 2016

So, assuming proper conditioning with hanging as a guy moves up in weight slowly over time, at what weight does hanging suddenly, become "more" dangerous? I have gone as high as 35-37 pounds for testing purposes. When I was actively hanging, my weight range was 22-27 pounds usually depending on the day, tissue fatigue, attachment point soreness, to name a few. To me, anything below 15 pounds felt like next to nothing and I could actually walk around the room easily with that weight level. I am just playing Devils advocate here.

Is the point to simply state the obvious; that a guy with no guidance, or instruction who jumps into hanging will be more likely to injure himself?

deadwood187 · Jun 29, 2016

stillwantmore2;698447 said:
So, assuming proper conditioning with hanging as a guy moves up in weight slowly over time, at what weight does hanging suddenly, become "more" dangerous? I have gone as high as 35-37 pounds for testing purposes. When I was actively hanging, my weight range was 22-27 pounds usually depending on the day, tissue fatigue, attachment point soreness, to name a few. To me, anything below 15 pounds felt like next to nothing and I could actually walk around the room easily with that weight level. I am just playing Devils advocate here.

Is the point to simply state the obvious; that a guy with no guidance, or instruction who jumps into hanging will be more likely to injure himself?

35 or 37? Which one is it?

I am skeptical of both numbers. I highly doubt 99% of men out there can do 20 minute sets at those numbers. Yeah yeah we all bench 500 pounds and drive Fererris online.

Those are crazy numbers. Someone is gong to get permanently hurt with this kind of nonsense.

kyomoto · Jun 29, 2016

stillwantmore2;698447 said:
So, assuming proper conditioning with hanging as a guy moves up in weight slowly over time, at what weight does hanging suddenly, become "more" dangerous? I have gone as high as 35-37 pounds for testing purposes. When I was actively hanging, my weight range was 22-27 pounds usually depending on the day, tissue fatigue, attachment point soreness, to name a few. To me, anything below 15 pounds felt like next to nothing and I could actually walk around the room easily with that weight level. I am just playing Devils advocate here.

Is the point to simply state the obvious; that a guy with no guidance, or instruction who jumps into hanging will be more likely to injure himself?

I feel the point after 15lbs is a great one in which gains are made. They can be dangerous if not cautious with wrapping etc. I've seen videos of guys hanging over 50lbs

stillwantmore · Jun 29, 2016

deadwood187;698463 said:
35 or 37? Which one is it?

I am skeptical of both numbers. I highly doubt 99% of men out there can do 20 minute sets at those numbers. Yeah yeah we all bench 500 pounds and drive Fererris online.

Those are crazy numbers. Someone is gong to get permanently hurt with this kind of nonsense.

Read again for testing. 35-37. Pretty simple,the dash means 'to'. A few minutes, for testing of my new hanger prototype. I am not trying to impress you or anyone. DLD has gone a lot heavier. If someone is stupid enough to jump right to any heavy weight, their problem.

deadwood187 · Jun 29, 2016

kyomoto;698464 said:
I feel the point after 15lbs is a great one in which gains are made. They can be dangerous if not cautious with wrapping etc. I've seen videos of guys hanging over 50lbs

Do you have a link?

I would like to see that.

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