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I haven't posted here in quite a while because I've been trying to handle other areas of my life. I recently began wet jelqing about 18 minutes a day and the previous gains I had came back in no time (about one month). <br />
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My plan for now is to continue to wet jelq indefinitely. After every time that I am sure I've grown .25 inch I plan to add 3-5 minutes to my jelqing time. If I keep continuing to grow I will go up to an hour a day if need be, but I think that will be my limit and is very far off. <br />
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I was wondering, from doing an only Jelqing routine (mixed in with other manual girth expansion techniques), how many inches would you say is the maximum one can grow in a 5 year time span? It seems based on anecdotal evidence that your average dedicated jelqer can grow about 1.5 inches in 2.5 years. I know gains slow with time, but is it possible to gain 3 inches or more from just this routine? <br />
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What about a ten year time span? Can someone grow more than 3 inches in that time? Thanks!</div>
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If you are looking for length there are many other exercises that will allow to gain length faster than jelqing. Jelqing is mostly a girth exercise, it will bring length but not as fast as say the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]Newbie Routine[/words] Stretching section. If you are able to get in 30 minutes of stretching a day for 5 years I think you could make the goals you desire. Over ten years, 3" should be very doable but as time progresses you will need to add intensity or switch up exercises once the penis becomes accustomed to any given exercise. Jelqing is a good exercise, just not the best for length.
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Hey DLD, thanks as always for the great advice. As I am getting older and more experienced with women I am finding one thing is incredibly important that I left out in my OP but you addressed yourself, girth.<br />
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If I end up doing 40-45 minutes a day of jelqing in a few years time as well as other more intense girth exercises like manual clamping and ULIs for about 5-7 minutes how much girth do you think it is possible to add in say 3 years? After I've done my jelqing and done more intense girth exercises I am currently a fraction below 5.5 at my thickest point. Would it be possible in 3 years of doing what I just said to add say 1 inch in girth?<br />
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Also I will start doing manual stretching like you recommended. I will start with 10 minutes and then add 2-3 minutes for every .25 inches in length I gain. Can you give me some examples of the more intense manual stretching exercises that I will begin to incorporate in a year or two?<br />
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Thanks so much DLD!</div>
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If I end up doing 40-45 minutes a day of jelqing in a few years time as well as other more intense girth exercises like manual clamping and ULIs for about 5-7 minutes how much girth do you think it is possible to add in say 3 years?
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Why would you ever commit to such a silly routine? <br />
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"If I do 300 pushups a day, and in a few years I add 1 set of bench press, how big will my chest be?"<br />
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That's essentially the question you asked.<br />
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And the answer: small.</div>
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Why would you ever commit to such a silly routine? <br />
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"If I do 300 pushups a day, and in a few years I add 1 set of bench press, how big will my chest be?"<br />
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That's essentially the question you asked.<br />
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And the answer: small.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. You think 40 minutes of jelqing a day and 5-7 minutes of more intense manual girth exercises won't give very much girth? If that is true then why would anyone ever do PE? This is a huge amount of time and effort and expansion. <br />
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Your example about the pushups makes no sense. What I am saying is more like doing 200 pushups a day to start and adding 50 daily pushups every few months until you reach 1000 a day. You may not be perfect by the time you are doing 1000 pushups a day, but it is doubtful if you wouldn't get great results.<br />
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Maybe you misunderstood what I've written in the thread to begin with. I am saying I am doing 18 minutes a day of jelqing now. Every time I gain .25 inches in length I plan to about 3 or so minutes to that. That would mean by the time I gain one inch I will be doing 30 minutes a day of jelqing as opposed to 18.<br />
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I have no idea what you are talking about. You think 40 minutes of jelqing a day and 5-7 minutes of more intense manual girth exercises won't give very much girth? If that is true then why would anyone ever do PE? This is a huge amount of time and effort and expansion.
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Correct, it won't cause much girth gain.<br />
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I know that the first thing everyone learns about PE is jelqing, and they think that's what it's all about. You probably even read the story about ancient arabian men teaching their sons to jelq and getting 20" penises. I'm telling you that it's nonsense.<br />
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Jelqing is a basic, beginner exercise and nothing more. THAT is why I compare it to pushups. You should start there, and get used to doing PE and learn how your penis responds to it, and then move on to more advanced exercises as quickly as possible.<br />
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Go read some of the big gainer's progress threads, and see if any of them gained substantial size with ONLY jelqing. <i>(They didn't!)</i><br />
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Your example about the pushups makes no sense. What I am saying is more like doing 200 pushups a day to start and adding 50 daily pushups every few months until you reach 1000 a day.
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<b>EXACTLY! </b>This is precisely my point, and honestly it's a little disheartening that you don't get it.<br />
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If you want to build a muscle, you need to add greater resistance over time, not more reps.<br />
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If you want to build a penis, you need to add more force/pressure/intensity, not more jelq time.<br />
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You may not be perfect by the time you are doing 1000 pushups a day, but it is doubtful if you wouldn't get great results.
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Your chest would get bigger and stronger for the first month or two, and then would completely stop responding. After that point you would be adding purely muscular endurance, not size and strength.<br />
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Maybe you misunderstood what I've written in the thread to begin with. I am saying I am doing 18 minutes a day of jelqing now. Every time I gain .25 inches in length I plan to about 3 or so minutes to that. That would mean by the time I gain one inch I will be doing 30 minutes a day of jelqing as opposed to 18.
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And what happens when you don't gain that next .25", because jelqing isn't even a length exercise? Add <i>more</i> time?<br />
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Also, this stuff isn't so formulaic. This is your body that you're building, and you need to take that into account. Your "formula" doesn't have any variables for how your body is responding. What if it's all too much and you're going to injure yourself? What if it's not enough and you're wasting time?<br />
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I guess that wasn't clear.
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You were perfectly clear, I'm just telling you that it's silly. Some vets on here may disagree with me, and that's fine. All I can tell you is my experience, and I'm certainly not right about everything.<br />
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I'm damn close to 3" length and 1" in girth gained, and I'd be shocked if .25" of that was from <i>only jelqing</i>.</div>
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I have no idea what you are talking about. You think 40 minutes of jelqing a day and 5-7 minutes of more intense manual girth exercises won't give very much girth? If that is true then why would anyone ever do PE? This is a huge amount of time and effort and expansion. <br />
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Your example about the pushups makes no sense. What I am saying is more like doing 200 pushups a day to start and adding 50 daily pushups every few months until you reach 1000 a day. You may not be perfect by the time you are doing 1000 pushups a day, but it is doubtful if you wouldn't get great results.<br />
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Maybe you misunderstood what I've written in the thread to begin with. I am saying I am doing 18 minutes a day of jelqing now. Every time I gain .25 inches in length I plan to about 3 or so minutes to that. That would mean by the time I gain one inch I will be doing 30 minutes a day of jelqing as opposed to 18.<br />
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I guess that wasn't clear.
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seven_wants_ten only want to help and remember, we can not express emotions here so sometimes tings may come across the wrong way. seven_wants_ten knows as much as I do in the PE realm and His advice, as strong as it may be, is there to help you grow. Listen to what he has said and ask him for clarification on those things you do not understand. We will always lead you in the right direction. And remember, the Brotherhood is based on Peace and Love!</div>
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seven_wants_ten only want to help and remember, we can not express emotions here so sometimes tings may come across the wrong way. seven_wants_ten knows as much as I do in the PE realm and His advice, as strong as it may be, is there to help you grow. Listen to what he has said and ask him for clarification on those things you do not understand. We will always lead you in the right direction. And remember, the Brotherhood is based on Peace and Love!
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Thanks for the endorsement! <br />
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And yes, I am trying to help. But I definitely have a rough edge and am not as...lets say "diplomatic" as DLD and many others here.</div>
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Thanks for the endorsement! <br />
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And yes, I am trying to help. But I definitely have a rough edge and am not as...lets say "diplomatic" as DLD and many others here.
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I didn't take offense to anything seven wants ten said. I welcome it. But I'm also not a newbie to PE, although I'm certainly not a veteran either. I spent a total of 1.5 years handing at separate times. I used to hang 2-3 hours daily.<br />
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Right now I am just looking for a manual routine that I will be able to continue at least for a decade, at which point if I reach an ideal size I will just do a maintenance routine.<br />
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As of yesterday I switched to a routine very similar to the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] except that what I am doing is slightly longer as well as somewhat more intense. I will add 2-3 minutes to my jelqing and manual stretching for every .25 inches gained in length.<br />
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Can you, seven wants ten, or anyone else recommend the best manual exercises that provide the most intensity for both length and girth? I want to stick to manual exercises for a few years and only then will I consider equipment again.<br />
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Also is it realistic to gain something like 1 inch in length and .333 inches in girth by doing the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] with extra time and intensity for a year? I know gains slow with time but I wanted to see how long it'd take to get that first inch.<br />
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Thanks!</div>
<div class="bbWrapper">Manual stretching for length. If you want to take it to the next level, work on perfecting your grip. I like to use a piece of theraband to enhance my grip. It seems to have the perfect amount of "stick" to the skin of both the penis and hand. Other people have used baby powder, or even wrap once around with toilet paper. <br />
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It also seems better after a shower. When the penis and hands have both been washed and dried so there's no oils on the skin, there is a sweet spot where it's like 99% dried off and the skin is almost "tacky". Not to mention a hot shower warms up the tissue.<br />
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For girth, things like slow squash jelqs and variations thereof. I've always been a fan of a simple overhand OK grip "clamp" at the extreme base. Every few seconds quickly regrip with a kegel in between. As I'm squeezing as hard as I can, I'm also pulling out.<br />
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Here's a tip for holding a strong ok grip:<br />
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Imaging your right hand in a reverse ok grip, palm down, at the extreme base of your penis. On top, and right against your body, you can see two knuckles, the first knuckle of the thumb and index finger. Use your left hand thumb and index finger to press down on those knuckles, especially the thumb knuckle since it has more mobility. This additional force will help your right hand fingers close more tightly, and with less muscle strain. <br />
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Let me know if that explanation makes any sense!</div>
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Manual stretching for length. If you want to take it to the next level, work on perfecting your grip. I like to use a piece of theraband to enhance my grip. It seems to have the perfect amount of "stick" to the skin of both the penis and hand. Other people have used baby powder, or even wrap once around with toilet paper. <br />
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It also seems better after a shower. When the penis and hands have both been washed and dried so there's no oils on the skin, there is a sweet spot where it's like 99% dried off and the skin is almost "tacky". Not to mention a hot shower warms up the tissue.<br />
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For girth, things like slow squash jelqs and variations thereof. I've always been a fan of a simple overhand OK grip "clamp" at the extreme base. Every few seconds quickly regrip with a kegel in between. As I'm squeezing as hard as I can, I'm also pulling out.<br />
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Here's a tip for holding a strong ok grip:<br />
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Imaging your right hand in a reverse ok grip, palm down, at the extreme base of your penis. On top, and right against your body, you can see two knuckles, the first knuckle of the thumb and index finger. Use your left hand thumb and index finger to press down on those knuckles, especially the thumb knuckle since it has more mobility. This additional force will help your right hand fingers close more tightly, and with less muscle strain. <br />
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Let me know if that explanation makes any sense!
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Hey 7 wants 10, thanks for the great reply.<br />
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I actually do everything you have been saying, except that I added the manual stretching 2 days ago. Right now what I am doing is 20 minutes of jelqing, and then directly after I do 2-4 or sometimes 5 minutes of a combination of what you described where I make a tight grip around the base of my dick and kegel as much blood in as possible every few seconds. I get pretty damn good expansion from it and my dick stays pretty fat even when it becomes flaccid for an hour or so after I do this. What I am going to do is with time work up to 30 minutes of jelqing and 30 minutes of manual stretching a day, and then focus on adding high intensity exercises instead like the one you said and that I just mentioned.<br />
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As far as stretching I will definitely use your theraband idea. I always shower with Irish Spring soap before I do stretching so basically I get rid of all the oils on my hands and dick just like you said. Currently I am doing exactly 10 minutes of manual stretching and I will raise it up eventually to up to 30.<br />
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So if I do what I am doing now (20 minutes jelqing, 4 minutes [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] and manual clamped kegeling, and 10 minutes of stretching), how long do you think it will take for me to see an inch of growth if I am currently 7.5 inches BPEL? I measured yesterday and after I do my jelq/SSJ routine and then shower ten minutes later I have a 1/8 inch temporary expansion in both BPEL, NBPEL, and EG.</div>
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I'm sure there are physiogical reasons for differing growth rates; healing ability, amount of collagen in ligaments, variation in insertion point of penis and attachment point of ligaments, etc. But since we can't really measure those things, or even know what all the factors are, the only way to tell is to just do it.</div>
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I'm sure there are physiogical reasons for differing growth rates; healing ability, amount of collagen in ligaments, variation in insertion point of penis and attachment point of ligaments, etc. But since we can't really measure those things, or even know what all the factors are, the only way to tell is to just do it.
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True words of wisdom, just do it. I learned from my time hanging that what you just said is the truth. When I was hanging about 1.5 to 2 hours a day I was gaining at a rate of about .1 inch a month on average. Basically I gained around .70 in 8 months time. I did that a few times and stopped each time and lost the gains. Part of my issue was though that I had pretty severe Erectile Disfunction that I am just recovering from. Long story short the ED was because I was over 300 lbs at 6'2'' and was smoking over a pack a day with absolutely no exercise and also manic depressive medication.<br />
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I realize with time the gains will come increasingly slowly even with increased intensity, but if by doing this routine and gradually increasing time and intensity if I can average .6 inches gained in length and .2 gained in girth a year for the next few years I will be more than happy. <br />
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So I have to say you do seem to know exactly what you are doing and your 3 inches x 1 inch gained seems much more likely to be true than when I first read your post. Not saying I know everything or I had any reason not to believe you, just saying.<br />
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Can you tell me your PE process and what you did over the years and how much each individual routine (if you changed things up from time to time) caused you to gain? I'd really appreciate it.</div>
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True words of wisdom, just do it. I learned from my time hanging that what you just said is the truth. When I was hanging about 1.5 to 2 hours a day I was gaining at a rate of about .1 inch a month on average. Basically I gained around .70 in 8 months time. I did that a few times and stopped each time and lost the gains. Part of my issue was though that I had pretty severe Erectile Disfunction that I am just recovering from. Long story short the ED was because I was over 300 lbs at 6'2'' and was smoking over a pack a day with absolutely no exercise and also manic depressive medication.<br />
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I realize with time the gains will come increasingly slowly even with increased intensity, but if by doing this routine and gradually increasing time and intensity if I can average .6 inches gained in length and .2 gained in girth a year for the next few years I will be more than happy. <br />
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So I have to say you do seem to know exactly what you are doing and your 3 inches x 1 inch gained seems much more likely to be true than when I first read your post. Not saying I know everything or I had any reason not to believe you, just saying.<br />
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Can you tell me your PE process and what you did over the years and how much each individual routine (if you changed things up from time to time) caused you to gain? I'd really appreciate it.
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Most of my history/routines are in my progress thread in my signature, along with almost 1.5" of documented length gains. I never took pictures before that point, so the first 1.5" is undocumented.</div>
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<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I feel so presidential <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></div>
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<div class="bbWrapper">Seven you are an absolute monster! Appears a relatively fast gainer too! I went back and looked at your pics and its funny... When taking pics like that it just really doesn't do the size justice due to scaling lol.</div>
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Seven you are an absolute monster! Appears a relatively fast gainer too! I went back and looked at your pics and its funny... When taking pics like that it just really doesn't do the size justice due to scaling lol.
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Thanks! There's a couple other factors working against my pics too, like how in a lot of my pics my balls are high and tight, which has the effect of obscuring part of the base and making my penis look shorter. <br />
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Oh well, I guess that's why they invented rulers <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></div>
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Thanks! There's a couple other factors working against my pics too, like how in a lot of my pics my balls are high and tight, which has the effect of obscuring part of the base and making my penis look shorter. <br />
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Oh well, I guess that's why they invented rulers <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />
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