Ligs before tunica? why?

goldmember

goldmember

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Hey guys,

I was wondering if any of you have some thoughts on this issue, because it kinda baffles me...why are we all going for lig gains first before really going for tunica gains? It seems that is how most people are doing it here: max out on lig gains, then go for the slow tunica gains.

Here's my reasoning for the question....
Think of your tunica as a piece of leather. Think of your ligs as a rubber band, with one end attached to a wall and the other end attached to the leather. Would it make sense to try and stretch the leather with a loose rubber band attached to the other end, or a tight rubber band (assuming the rubber band won't snap)? Basically what I am saying is that the looser your ligs get, the less tug your tunica gets, unless you are following a TOW method, where the base is clamped while you tug on the glans. Also, wouldn't extensive tunica training give one a more favorable LOT, thus increasing their lig gain potential?

Maybe some of you have good thoughts on the topic and would like to post them.
 
I've heard the rubber band theory before, but slightly differently and it seemed to make sense. I'm a the stage now where I think I've maxed out on lig gains and am working towards tunica gains... check my thread in the routines section to see what I'm doing. I'd also like to see what some of the veterans have to say about this...
 
CAF,

Your routine is a major tunica blasting workout. Do you think it is necessary to incorporate some lig stretches for maintenance though? Also, you might want to put more work into girth, if you plan on reaching 6.0 by the end of the year.
 
hey goldmember, I thought my routine had a fair few lig stretches in it? Most of the satright forward and upward stretches I do are still targeting the ligs still I think.

Fair point about the girth actually. But, thinking about it I've never targeted girth, it just seems to have come with the stretching and kegels. I don't have any starting stats for girth because originally, when I was 14 it's not something you think or brag about to your friends. I've never heard girth measurements spoken about in the 'real world'. I haven't consistently jelqed for well over a year. The Supra Slammers make it feel huge so I'm just hoping they'll work through to being gains...
 
goldmember said:
I was wondering if any of you have some thoughts on this issue, because it kinda baffles me...why are we all going for lig gains first before really going for tunica gains? It seems that is how most people are doing it here: max out on lig gains, then go for the slow tunica gains.
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Because ligs gains are much easier to get then tunica gains...

Here's my reasoning for the question....
Think of your tunica as a piece of leather. Think of your ligs as a rubber band, with one end attached to a wall and the other end attached to the leather. Would it make sense to try and stretch the leather with a loose rubber band attached to the other end, or a tight rubber band (assuming the rubber band won't snap)? Basically what I am saying is that the looser your ligs get, the less tug your tunica gets, unless you are following a TOW method, where the base is clamped while you tug on the glans. Also, wouldn't extensive tunica training give one a more favorable LOT, thus increasing their lig gain potential?

Maybe some of you have good thoughts on the topic and would like to post them.
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That's not entirely true... the ligs are only worked when stretching from 9:00 (to a lesser extent) and below. Stretching above 9:00 does little to nothing for the ligs so the stretch is directed to the shaft (tunica).

Think about how the lig attaches the penis to the pubis ... it attaches the penis from the topside so only downward stretching will put direct tension on the ligs. Stretching upward pushes the penile shaft into the ligs and pubic bone negating most of the tension applied.
 
sikdogg said:
This is incorrect...
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thanks for that. I've been Penis Enlargementing a long time but I haven't delved into the science of it much yet - hence the 'I think'.

might have to re-evaluate my routine then and include some maintanence lig stretches :)
 
No prob... generally speaking, as you stretch from 6:00 to 12:00 the amount of tension on the ligs will diminish and the tension becomes focussed on the tunica. However, you can increase the tension on the ligs by going further between your legs 'til you get to the BTC position.
 
sikdogg said:
No prob... generally speaking, as you stretch from 6:00 to 12:00 the amount of tension on the ligs will diminish and the tension becomes focussed on the tunica. However, you can increase the tension on the ligs by going further between your legs 'til you get to the BTC position.
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cool. so, the angles you refer to, are they when you're standing up and the viewpoint is looking side on at the body from the left side?

If that's the case then all the stretches I've ever done have been 'bigger' than 6oclock, with a downward stretch being about 7 ocklock and an upward stretch about 11 ockock.

Judging by this I may be wrong to assume I've exhausted gains from the ligs then? Thanks for the help by the way...
 
CAF,

If you have NEVER trained ligs before, I would think you'd have some good lig gains left to achieve!

SIK,

Thank you for the reply. You missed my point though. I fully understand that different angles affect different parts of the penis. That isn't what I came here to ask...my question is whether training ligs first (like most guys seem to do) will make it harder to achieve tunica gains. While it is true that lig gains come faster, whoever said the fast gains have to come first? If you could reach your maximum length in a shorter period by going for slow initial gains, would you save the fast gains for later? This is essentially what I am asking. Also, does tunica work first thing necessarily mean easier tunica gains? Let me make a simple illustration to help show you what I mean:

Guy#1 trains ligs first, then goes for tunica gains
year one: 1.5" mostly ligs
next three years: 1" mostly tunica
TOTAL TIME=4 years...2.5"

Guy#2 trains tunica first, then goes for lig gains
first two years: 1" mostly tunica
third year: 1.5" mostly ligs
TOTAL TIME=3 years...2.5"

While I'm not saying that this is how it would be observed if two guys with identical genes were to perform this experiment, this is the essense of what I am trying to get a meaningful discussion about. If you will refer to my first post, I state how looser/longer ligs will require more force to generate the same tug on the tunica had it been attached to shorter/tighter ligs. However, I doubt a longer/larger tunica (shaft/body/diaphysis) will diminish lig stretch. What are your guys' thoughts?
 
Hydromaxmm, I have always been a fan of safe than sorry. I keep shit simple, I include both in every workout. I have since the beginning and have made consistent gains since.
 
DLD,

I follow what you mean when you say rather safe then sorry...but is it ever really TOO LATE to go for lig gains? You say "safe" like there is some time frame where you can get lig gains, and after that--sorry mister: no lig gains for you! (said like the Soup Nazi). Maybe you're right, maybe I'm overthinking this shit.
 
sikdogg said:
it attaches the penis from the topside so only downward stretching will put direct tension on the ligs
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Downward stretching hits the suspensory lig, but what about the fundiform lig? Given how it has a 360 degree grip on the bulb of the penis, I would think that any stretch in any direction would affect it, but especially stretches to the left and right.
 
Until you have expressed most of your internal penis from lig stretching, i don't believe that there is much tension applied to the fundiform when doing stretches.... the suspensory lig is the gatekeeper of the internal penis. The susp lig attaches to the tunica, how can you apply tension to the fundiform lig if it sits further back... that is until you've thoroughly stretched the susp lig?? Correct me if i'm wrong...
 
sikdogg said:
The susp lig attaches to the tunica, how can you apply tension to the fundiform lig if it sits further back... that is until you've thoroughly stretched the susp lig?? Correct me if i'm wrong...
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A problem I face is that I've found woefully little in the way of medical literature or anatomical drawings/photos of the fundiform ligs. My education on it pretty much begins and ends with what's in Grey's Anatomy. Based on that, I gather that the fundiform ligs encircle the bulb of the penis and the suspensory lig attaches to the top of the penis, as you said.

I surmise from that, if you pull your penis straight out from your body at 180 degrees, or higher, the pressure would be taken off the suspensory lig. From that angle, if you pull to the extreme left or right, I would think that tension would be created in the fundiform.

That's all my best guess and am certainly no expert in urology, so take it with a few grains of salt.
 
goldmember said:
DLD,

I follow what you mean when you say rather safe then sorry...but is it ever really TOO LATE to go for lig gains? You say "safe" like there is some time frame where you can get lig gains, and after that--sorry mister: no lig gains for you! (said like the Soup Nazi). Maybe you're right, maybe I'm overthinking this shit.
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Way over-thinking:D The dick is a big bag of skin with some blood and tissue, a very easy thing to make longer and thicker...I'll do it all and take advantage of every intelligent theory.

As far as time goes, I was making no reference.
 
going4nine said:
A problem I face is that I've found woefully little in the way of medical literature or anatomical drawings/photos of the fundiform ligs. My education on it pretty much begins and ends with what's in Grey's Anatomy. Based on that, I gather that the fundiform ligs encircle the bulb of the penis and the suspensory lig attaches to the top of the penis, as you said.

I surmise from that, if you pull your penis straight out from your body at 180 degrees, or higher, the pressure would be taken off the suspensory lig. From that angle, if you pull to the extreme left or right, I would think that tension would be created in the fundiform.

That's all my best guess and am certainly no expert in urology, so take it with a few grains of salt.
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I disagree because there is at least an inch of penile shaft behind the susp lig. Unless you've straightened out the "slack", how can you apply tension to the fundi lig?

I'm no expert either but that's my take...
 
IMO- People are way over thinking themselves here. Sure it is a must to know the anatomy of the penis. Rather than think or assume, "If I pull this way I'll stretch my ligs, and if I stretch this way I won't stretch them." However I can't stress this enough, you must go by what you are feeling on the insides, outside, and all around your penis when you stretch. If you feel your ligs being stretched, then they most defenitly they are being stressed. If you feel your tunica getting ripped apart, then dammit it is happening. Me myself, I can feel a lig stretch and tunica stretch at the same time, from any possible angle, and I can intenseify the particular area I want to target, with just a simple twist of the wrist, or a shift in the hips. Its all really that simple. Always go with the sensations your are getting. They will tell you exactly what you are doing to yourself. This is all my belief, based on my experiences since I've been involved in Penis Enlargement.
 
goingfor9,

Grey's Anatomy? That's the same atlas I use for my anatomy class at the university. We're on the same page...

It's kinda strange how this thread became "what targets ligs and what doesn't" since that isn't what was supposed to be discussed at all. It's irrelevant.
 
It is irrelevant if you train ligs first, or tunica, or do both all the time. Point is you will gain, no matter which order you do it in. As long as you can concentrate on the feeling of the stretch. Thats it, no complicated theorys involved in the matter.

Being consistant with your training, training with intensity (Meaning actually taking time to feel the exercises working) and enough rest between workouts to allow growth. Basically that is the only formula you need for gains to happen. And of course knowing how to perform the exercises correctly. Again IMO training ligs before tunica, or the other way around would not effect what kind of gains you can muster up.

Knowing how YOUR body responds to the stress you are putting your penis through, is way more important than a lig, tunica debate. You must know your penis, how fast it heals, and how much stress it can take before overtraining. Mentally you must be positive. Your mind can make you or break you. If you believe it can happen,it will happen, and always trust what your body is telling you, the body never lies to you. You must find what it the best approach for you, and only you, since everybody is different, what worked for Goldmember might not work for Crazyed. If you pay attention enough to what your penis is telling you, you will find that sweet spot, and it all gains from there baby!
 
goldmember said:
Nuff said. I agree whole-heartedly with Crazyed
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I wonder who else feels this way as well. I see it like this DLD has had massive gains, why??? Simply because he went against the grain of what all of the other Penis Enlargement'ers were talking about. He went with the sensations he was getting while doing Penis Enlargement. Instead of doing what everybody else was doing he was up in his crib experminting with different shit.If he felt the stretch burn he kept on doing the exercise, if he did'nt feel the stretch he would discard the exercise or modify it to where he would feel it. He still does this to this day, and in my opinion that is why he has been so successful with Penis Enlargement.

DLD is this correct?
 
sorry to be off topic. but yeah, I've often wondered about that. DLD invented all these exercises and routines, and that worked for him. We should all take a leaf out of his book and do what he did. play around. modify stuff. examine the feelings and results. improve. It will take time and it's not as straightforward as "do this, do that" but it should help you understand better...

The [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] is a no-brainer though in my opinion, you have to do that...
 
Yes DLD made some great gains but he must have some big-dick gene or something as alot of people have followed his routine (as i have) and made great gains but nowhere near what he did. We are all different and respond to different exercizes differently. We all go by feel in some way or another when we choose exercizes to add to our routine... i don't know about anyone else but i've never added an exercize to my routine just because someone said to... some people don't care about the mechanics of how Penis Enlargement works, just that it does. Others like to figure out how things work and that's ok too.
 
That is precisely why I asked this question in the first place, SIK. I remember following some bodybuilding guru (when I was into that thing...all functional strength for me now!), and he had this set-in-stone attitude and laid out some program that couldn't be deviated from. I made OK gains on it, but didn't get huge and ripped until I read a lot on my own and took what was good, and added what worked for me by listening to what my body told me.
 
sikdogg said:
That's not entirely true... the ligs are only worked when stretching from 9:00 (to a lesser extent) and below. Stretching above 9:00 does little to nothing for the ligs so the stretch is directed to the shaft (tunica).

Think about how the lig attaches the penis to the pubis ... it attaches the penis from the topside so only downward stretching will put direct tension on the ligs. Stretching upward pushes the penile shaft into the ligs and pubic bone negating most of the tension applied.
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Do you still think that you can not stretch the ligs when stretching upward, lets say 10:00 up to 12:00?
 
dex said:
Do you still think that you can not stretch the ligs when stretching upward, lets say 10:00 up to 12:00?
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I think that the higher an angle that you pull, the less force you are able to effectively appy to the ligs. You are still stretching it, but because the penile shaft is rolling over the pubic bone you are not in a good mechanical position to really work it.
 
sikdogg said:
I think that the higher an angle that you pull, the less force you are able to effectively appy to the ligs. You are still stretching it, but because the penile shaft is rolling over the pubic bone you are not in a good mechanical position to really work it.
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I see, so basically you can only stretch the lower angles in a standing position? When you are sitting in a chair and you are stretching at the lowest possible point acording to the LOT reading, you are at 9:00. When you are bending your back (not sitting straight in the chair) and your chin is moving more toward your knees, you are not in the 9:00 position anymore, you are higher than 9 because your pubic bone is also bending.
 
Yes... the only way to stretch the lower angles while sitting is to scoot your butt to the edge of the chair and hang or pull toward the floor. If you elevate your feel while doing this, you can get a better stretch.
 
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