Im not sure whther to use a pump now after reading this post

[mano22]

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?66865-IMPORTANT-Everyone-Should-Read-This!!

I want to mainly make length gains.

Should I not pump.

 

[Zambrodom3]

Ok, it is true that length gains would come MUCH faster if you did your length 1st and then girth (because of what you read there AND because the fact that as your penis gets thicker you have more and more cells to stretch thus making it a much slower and harder (you have to pull harder) process). This does not mean that length gains become impossible or someting. There are MANY users around that have used a pump, clamped, done SSJs and some other intense girth exercises AND have seen length gains as well. I think what this thread meant was more like "If you want to see length gains at their fastest rate- make sure to start off easily and start doing intense girth work once you have reached your final length goal". If you are pretty close to your final length goal- then why not start doing the bad boys of girth (the intense girth exercises mentioned above and some more)? That way you will rach your size goal the fastest (because through the girth process you can still do some length work as well and gain girth and length simultaneously ). I might not be 100% correct, but it would be great to hear others on this as well

 

[Vetiver]

Ok, it is true that length gains would come MUCH faster if you did your length 1st and then girth (because of what you read there AND because the fact that as your penis gets thicker you have more and more cells to stretch thus making it a much slower and harder (you have to pull harder) process). This does not mean that length gains become impossible or someting. There are MANY users around that have used a pump, clamped, done SSJs and some other intense girth exercises AND have seen length gains as well. I think what this thread meant was more like "If you want to see length gains at their fastest rate- make sure to start off easily and start doing intense girth work once you have reached your final length goal". If you are pretty close to your final length goal- then why not start doing the bad boys of girth (the intense girth exercises mentioned above and some more)? That way you will rach your size goal the fastest (because through the girth process you can still do some length work as well and gain girth and length simultaneously ). I might not be 100% correct, but it would be great to hear others on this as well

I think this conception has been discussed pretty regularly here. I've noticed a lot of people focusing their attention to 1 aspect of P.E. only, like length for example. Now, you can all do whatever suits your goals, like if you only want to work length because you're content with girth, or vs-versa. However, most guys P.E.ing wouldn't turn down a gain in both directions.

I believe that stressing both sheaths in the tunica is very important for either aspect of gaining (girth or length) because you're overall resistance throughout the tunica is way less when both directional sheaths are being broken down.

So, the tunica can be hard to stretch and gain from due to it's elasticity, and I've seen most guys focusing more on expressive stretching, and I feel that promoting a length only vs. girth only is hindering to potential gains in both length and girth.

 

[Zambrodom3]

I think this conception has been discussed pretty regularly here. I've noticed a lot of people focusing their attention to 1 aspect of P.E. only, like length for example. Now, you can all do whatever suits your goals, like if you only want to work length because you're content with girth, or vs-versa. However, most guys P.E.ing wouldn't turn down a gain in both directions.

I believe that stressing both sheaths in the tunica is very important for either aspect of gaining (girth or length) because you're overall resistance throughout the tunica is way less when both directional sheaths are being broken down.

So, the tunica can be hard to stretch and gain from due to it's elasticity, and I've seen most guys focusing more on expressive stretching, and I feel that promoting a length only vs. girth only is hindering to potential gains in both length and girth.

Hmmm... DLD has said more than once that they both enhance each other. But what really confuses me is this- according to Mike any girth work (excluding jelqs, which can be a good girth gaining exercise as well) causes ligament fibrosis, which makes gaining length much harder and harder. We have had many people around that have done both simultameously and have still gained. They might have hindered their real potential that way... . But this is something I don't understand and it really confuses me.

 

[Here2Help]

Length is way more important than girth. Because when you are having sex; you need to make sure that you can keep on penetrating from any angle or distance. It seems like woman love that. Thats what makes them cum. Because they know that you can fullfill them from any distance or angle without smothering them.

 

[Zambrodom3]

Length is way more important than girth. Because when you are having sex; you need to make sure that you can keep on penetrating from any angle or distance. It seems like woman love that. Thats what makes them cum. Because they know that you can fullfill them from any distance or angle without smothering them.

Yes, but girth makes them feel more filled. Most women judge penis size by its girth

 

[Vetiver]

Hmmm... DLD has said more than once that they both enhance each other. But what really confuses me is this- according to Mike any girth work (excluding jelqs, which can be a good girth gaining exercise as well) causes ligament fibrosis, which makes gaining length much harder and harder. We have had many people around that have done both simultameously and have still gained. They might have hindered their real potential that way... . But this is something I don't understand and it really confuses me.

I don't see how adding girth exercises into P.E. along with length exercises will create any fibrosis. To me it's quite the opposite if you use logic. When you ONLY do length, I believe you're more likely to create fibrosis because that's where you are training extensively. Super intense stretching of the tunica and ligs and expressive need to be stretched not only out and in all directions, but by internal stress as well, GIRTH. Mike's way off on this theory and hasn't given any information or proof to really state such about fibrosis. Now, I understand that fibrosis is real, and I believe that it can occur when over-trained or too much intensity is applied, without adequate rest periods. DLD did both simultaneously and look at his gains, incredible. I pretty much only follow the advice of DLD. I'm open minded, however, he's the master and if it works for him, I'll be more than willing to give it a go. Being scared to train both length and girth has it's merits, and applies to each individual uniquely. That being said, I truly don't believe all the hype about fibrosis unless you're way over-training or adding an exuberant amount of force to your exercises, as in too much too soon sort of thing. That's the only thing I can really agree with in Mike's postulations.

Length is way more important than girth. Because when you are having sex; you need to make sure that you can keep on penetrating from any angle or distance. It seems like woman love that. Thats what makes them cum. Because they know that you can fullfill them from any distance or angle without smothering them.

I have to disagree. Both are important. Stop this length only, or girth only crap. If you are doing these exercises correct, you shouldn't have issues with both aspects of P.E. counteracting each other.

Yes, but girth makes them feel more filled. Most women judge penis size by its girth

X2^

 

[Zambrodom3]

I don't see how adding girth exercises into P.E. along with length exercises will create any fibrosis. To me it's quite the opposite if you use logic. When you ONLY do length, I believe you're more likely to create fibrosis because that's where you are training extensively. Super intense stretching of the tunica and ligs and expressive need to be stretched not only out and in all directions, but by internal stress as well, GIRTH. Mike's way off on this theory and hasn't given any information or proof to really state such about fibrosis. Now, I understand that fibrosis is real, and I believe that it can occur when over-trained or too much intensity is applied, without adequate rest periods. DLD did both simultaneously and look at his gains, incredible. I pretty much only follow the advice of DLD. I'm open minded, however, he's the master and if it works for him, I'll be more than willing to give it a go. Being scared to train both length and girth has it's merits, and applies to each individual uniquely. That being said, I truly don't believe all the hype about fibrosis unless you're way over-training or adding an exuberant amount of force to your exercises, as in too much too soon sort of thing. That's the only thing I can really agree with in Mike's postulations.



I have to disagree. Both are important. Stop this length only, or girth only crap. If you are doing these exercises correct, you shouldn't have issues with both aspects of P.E. counteracting each other.



X2^

Well, DLD started his Penis Enlargement career lightly as much as I know. BUT that still does not mean that the whole fibrosis stuff is actually true. But think about it- anythhing that puts too much pressure on the suspensory ligamnts might make them tougen. Fibrosis is just like muscle building- the more you work your muscle- the more it will grow, but with time- as it grows is adapts to the current environmnent and therefore, if you want to gain you have to step it up and put on more weights. I believe that the more you stretch and put pressure on them- the harder they get and the harder length gains come (this might be behind the newbie gaining stuff- ligaments are untrained and not tough and easy to stretch and grow). Having this said it makes sense that people shouldn't start doing very intense (which includes the 2ce per day stretch you mentioned) stuff (and to avoid injury).


But what I do not understand is how girth work affects that. You are right- DLD has said it himself: "Length and girth enhance each other" and DLD is the MASTER of Penis Enlargement. I understand what the fibrosis stuff is, but I do not understand how girth work causes it to become more severe as well.

Note: DLD has said that length is easiest achievable when you reach your length goal and THEN start doing girth. That is because (as he said) the thicker the penis is- the harder you have to pull to give it a good stretch.

But it would be good to have this clarified, cause I stopped using my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X40[/words] ever since I read that sh*t.

 

[xelabou]

I read this post too ... not gonna talk about my doubts.

Extract from an answer to a guy with a knee trouble
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Homeopathy-3400/2011/4/Fibrosis-ligament-knee.htm
(...)
The ligament in your knee is thickened as a result of an old injury. The body fixes torn ligaments by thickening them in an attempt to prevent future tears. Sometimes it does the same thing after a ligament got too thin due to other reasons. In any case, you have now a thickened ligament that needs some help. If that is all you have, then a good homeopath can try a few remedies and you may also need to do physiotherapy to restore flexibility.
(...)

The guy suffers from pain from his knee, thats not the problem. (talking about corticosteroids)
When stretching, we are thining the ligament ... fibrosys is part of the healing process... you want the lig to get 'fixed' in the new lenght.

Lets say the length plateau is a state of inelasticity because of the heavy healing.
What you need is physiotherapy to restore elasticity !
I guess everyday light double rotary stretch could be a nice routine.
And ,01% cortisone .. a variable to consider in the equation.

 

[truant]

I think the theory, if you have the proper tools like [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]PMP[/words], a powerful stretching tool like the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], and a hanging device can work in your favor. On the sheer fact that you'll have more than enough length work on your hands if your okay with just doing length.

Fibrosis maybe is more prominent in hanging maybe? Cause you have to do it everyday or else I heard your penis really does toughen from the excess weight.

 

[Vetiver]

I read this post too ... not gonna talk about my doubts.

Extract from an answer to a guy with a knee trouble
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Homeopathy-3400/2011/4/Fibrosis-ligament-knee.htm
(...)
The ligament in your knee is thickened as a result of an old injury. The body fixes torn ligaments by thickening them in an attempt to prevent future tears. Sometimes it does the same thing after a ligament got too thin due to other reasons. In any case, you have now a thickened ligament that needs some help. If that is all you have, then a good homeopath can try a few remedies and you may also need to do physiotherapy to restore flexibility.
(...)

The guy suffers from pain from his knee, thats not the problem. (talking about corticosteroids)
When stretching, we are thining the ligament ... fibrosys is part of the healing process... you want the lig to get 'fixed' in the new lenght.

Lets say the length plateau is a state of inelasticity because of the heavy healing.
What you need is physiotherapy to restore elasticity !
I guess everyday light double rotary stretch could be a nice routine.
And ,01% cortisone .. a variable to consider in the equation.

This is brilliant!

Foreget the fright of fibrosis! Many practitioners of P.E. have sworn by things like DMSO and Leech oil in addition to the homeopath remedies.

 

[truant]

I read this post too ... not gonna talk about my doubts.

Extract from an answer to a guy with a knee trouble
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Homeopathy-3400/2011/4/Fibrosis-ligament-knee.htm
(...)
The ligament in your knee is thickened as a result of an old injury. The body fixes torn ligaments by thickening them in an attempt to prevent future tears. Sometimes it does the same thing after a ligament got too thin due to other reasons. In any case, you have now a thickened ligament that needs some help. If that is all you have, then a good homeopath can try a few remedies and you may also need to do physiotherapy to restore flexibility.
(...)

The guy suffers from pain from his knee, thats not the problem. (talking about corticosteroids)
When stretching, we are thining the ligament ... fibrosys is part of the healing process... you want the lig to get 'fixed' in the new lenght.

Lets say the length plateau is a state of inelasticity because of the heavy healing.
What you need is physiotherapy to restore elasticity !
I guess everyday light double rotary stretch could be a nice routine.
And ,01% cortisone .. a variable to consider in the equation.

Cortisone really? The rotaries are a good thing to do I tried them today after the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SG[/words].

This is only if you have a lig injury?

 

[ShadedSam]

I'm doing DMSO, PABA (oral and mixed with DMSO), and vitamin E to try to get rid of my fibrosis. I like that people are having this discussion. Hopefully I'll be able to shed light on some of these home remedies and tell people if they work.

 

[truant]

I'm doing DMSO, PABA (oral and mixed with DMSO), and vitamin E to try to get rid of my fibrosis. I like that people are having this discussion. Hopefully I'll be able to shed light on some of these home remedies and tell people if they work.

Vitamin e good idea, do you take it oral and a cream mixed with the solution? I already ordered DMSO/PABA so I can use any info I can get.

I was reading up on it in google and the top info about DMSO/PABA is on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]mos[/words].

I was reading a thread and coogi mentions mixing small amounts cause it goes bad. So I'm going to get a eye dropper and small jars.

He mentions getting a perfect mixture but never being able to duplicate it. I wonder if he has?

 

[huge-girth]

Ok, it is true that length gains would come MUCH faster if you did your length 1st and then girth (because of what you read there AND because the fact that as your penis gets thicker you have more and more cells to stretch thus making it a much slower and harder (you have to pull harder) process). This does not mean that length gains become impossible or someting. There are MANY users around that have used a pump, clamped, done SSJs and some other intense girth exercises AND have seen length gains as well. I think what this thread meant was more like "If you want to see length gains at their fastest rate- make sure to start off easily and start doing intense girth work once you have reached your final length goal". If you are pretty close to your final length goal- then why not start doing the bad boys of girth (the intense girth exercises mentioned above and some more)? That way you will rach your size goal the fastest (because through the girth process you can still do some length work as well and gain girth and length simultaneously ). I might not be 100% correct, but it would be great to hear others on this as well

I got to about 8.25 inches before switching my focus to girth. But I'm still doing Mityvac hardcore stretches for 6 minutes during my pumping session.

 

[DLD]

Hardcore Stretches are one of the best ways to expose inner penis

 

[huge-girth]

Hardcore Stretches are one of the best ways to expose inner penis

I'm currently doing the hardcore stretches for 6 minutes only. Do you think this is enough?

 

[DLD]

I'm currently doing the hardcore stretches for 6 minutes only. Do you think this is enough?

Shoot for 10

 

[huge-girth]

Shoot for 10

Alright I will start doing 10 from today.

 

[DLD]

Smart move