Forgiven

I use ast-ss products and I find them to be really amazing, as for pro-hormones, I use Hardcorelabs.com stacks, plus the cycles of IGF-LR3IGF now.
 
Someone posted this site here a lil while back. I haven't personally used any of the products although the restorgen looks alright.

Don't ask me if the stuff works cuz I never tried it so I dont know.

Supplement
 
the Secretagogue- One works pretty good, I have tried that, but it doesnt compare to the inject-HGH. The other stuff on the site I wouldnt waste my money on it.
 
K thanks. It says on the site though that the secretegoue or however you spell it is included in the restoragen only they added some stuff that helps skin and hair.
 
kausion_420 said:
K thanks. It says on the site though that the secretegoue or however you spell it is included in the restoragen only they added some stuff that helps skin and hair.
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yeah thats what HGH does, it also heals scars, that and the Igf has cleared my acne scars.
 
Hey Forgiven!! Did you notice an increase in ejaculation whiteness and volume while you were taking Secretagogue? With all those amino acids, I would believe it would.
 
KingD said:
Hey Forgiven!! Did you notice an increase in ejaculation whiteness and volume while you were taking Secretagogue? With all those amino acids, I would believe it would.
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While I take alot of aminos, and my ejac was white, but I dont know if it change when I used the Secretagogue, so im really not sure, if anything I would say it was from the aminos i take on the side, and not from the other. ?:(
 
Holy crap man! Your body is freaking incredible! You're like a freaking Zeus statue! Makes me wanna get back to the weights.
 
What exactly are effects of HGH. If I am 18 will it have an effect on my heighth growth etc. Im already 6' 2" I dont wanna get much taller. My g/f is 5' 4".

Anyhow, also what is ZMA. Im 6' 2" 180lb, gonna get back into weight lifting tomorrow, Ive been a month or so off, lost my 6 pack.
 
HGH might have a little effect on your height but im sure you dont have to worry about, cuz at your height you growth plates are most likely close and reached their max. If you are planning on taking HGH( take the inject kind) and also stack it with some thing. And ZMA elevates testosterone and boosts insulin-like Growth Factor Type I levels to increase strength, endurance, and maximize muscle growth. You can by ZMA at any Maxmuscle store, or heath supplement store. But I recommend Snac's at http://www.snac.com/
 
forgiven said:
HGH might have a little effect on your height but im sure you dont have to worry about, cuz at your height you growth plates are most likely close and reached their max. If you are planning on taking HGH( take the inject kind) and also stack it with some thing. And there is possible side effect,one side-effects of HGH is that it seems to increase the size of everything, including bones (which gives very ugly protrusions in people who have no growth left in them) and intestines (which explains the incredible increase in gut size of professional bodybuilders.But the gut can also be from overeating which in reality is the case. But These side effect might not happen to you, they didnt for me. I will be post a lot of threads on HGH, IGF-LR3IGF and anabolic steroids , and how to cycle them, side-effects, ext. So you can check that out for some info.

As for ZMA elevates testosterone and boosts insulin-like Growth Factor Type I levels to increase strength, endurance, and maximize muscle growth. You can by ZMA at any Maxmuscle store, or heath supplement store. But I recommend Snac's at http://www.snac.com/
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READ THIS SEPHIN, THE TOP ONE I FORGOT SOME STUFF!
 
OMG your a tank.
Pure dedication to the max, hats off to you man.
I wouldnt wonna arest you lol your a big fucka, how much do ya weigh? and I know where to come if I need bodybuilding advise, your a 8th wonder of the world and a blessing to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], we have needed someone like you for a long time.
 
Take Methyl-1-test a.k.a M1T ive gained about 8 lbs. off of them in about 4 weeks, (little bit of hepatoxicity in those) thats the only legal supplement in my opinion that works besides creatine and a bulk up diet,(3,000 calories a day your body weight equals the amount of protein you consume in grams a day and 400 grams of carbs a day) a sure fire way to add mass to your frame.
 
Flipstylez said:
Take Methyl-1-test a.k.a M1T ive gained about 8 lbs. off of them in about 4 weeks, (little bit of hepatoxicity in those) thats the only legal supplement in my opinion that works besides creatine and a bulk up diet,(3,000 calories a day your body weight equals the amount of protein you consume in grams a day and 400 grams of carbs a day) a sure fire way to add mass to your frame.
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Finally! Some common sense. Flip - YOU are so right. That's the way to make gains if you are not going to take steroids. I and my buds have tried all the garbage out there (and let me tell you 99% DOES NOT WORK) and what you have recommended works THE BEST. ZMA in my opinion is just a mineral pill you can get in a good multivitamin for a fraction of the cost. Prohormones - VERY marginal for gains at best. Another hoax. Secret. - 2 buds spent a lot of money on that one - and made "0" gains. Do Not waste your money. I do not know why the FDA does not crack down on these hoaxters.
Take in sufficient calories, mix up your routines (and workout with a lot of drive-intensity), take a good protein supp., drink lots of water (Protein needs a lot of water to be metabolized properly) .
Don't be sucked in my all the fancy [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] and magazines. EXAMPLE - take a look at an old muscle mag - maybe 3-4 years old. Read the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] for all the crap they were selling then. Big muscle this, big muscle that - just use our product and GROW!! Now, when you read the newest muscle mags - well, none of those super growth products are in the new mags. Where are all these wonderful products? Well, I'll tell you. They did NOT work, so the manufacturers came up with new snake oil to sell you in the latest muscle mag. Now, in 2-3 years - you watch - probably few if any of the now popular selling muscle growers will even be advertised. They will drop by the wayside, just like those products in the past did.
I know guys do not like to hear this, you WANT to believe the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] for the miracle pills and powders. And may be thinking - well, maybe for ME it will work. Well take it from someone who has been seriously lifting since 14 years old - please do not waste your hard-earned money on this crap. I am trying to be as honest with you guys as I can. I won't lie to you just to make you feel better or give you some false hope that something will work when it won't. I do not live my life like that - and I certaiinly will not take credit for other people's work and ideas. and I certaiinly will not take credit for other people's work and ideas. Learn from my mistakes - I am telling you my mistakes. Tried all the prohormones, Iggg....s etc..., zma's etc, etc. VERY little if any gains.
Get some great protein supp. (I would recommend and take EAS products),
vary your routines, eat well, and sleep! EAS - the best in my opinion.
I have seen several studies in the past of analysis of the different brands - and EAS ALWAYS came up on top. Had in it what the label said it did. Some well-known brands only had 1/2 the protein in it than what the label said!! Yea - TRUE. No - I do not remember the name of the studies (some 2-3 yrs ago) or mags - I read a lot.
But there you have it. Hope that helps all the guys who are struggling with their workouts and their thoughts of buying supps.
 
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