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Hey guys I've saw a few people mention how to much negative space is a bad thing etc and I was wanting to find more info. Just new to pumping and trying to educate myself in every aspect and was having trouble locating a post that specifically describes what the issue is.

Also I'm currently using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x30[/words] extreme and my current stats are bpel 5.25" and eg is 4.75". Now when I use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bm[/words] I have a difficult time staying hard so therefore I do have a lot of negative space as I'm no where near ackibf the tube or filling it up in length. Also one other thing is I'm a weird person I guess but my fsl is actually less then my bpel and it's not because of how hard I stretch when measuring trust me. So if I'm not hard going into the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bm[/words] I obviously don't take up as much room as I would if erect. Any info on this I'd appreciate or if there are other post add the link I'm just wanting to learn more. Sorry if this is a dumb question to some.

One last thing I've also seen someone mention wearing a sleeve in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bm[/words] and I have tons of sleeves so was wanting to know what's the benefits of this?
 
I made a thread years back on how to deal with negative space. First, either get an X-treme or a wine-vac, which you have already done. Next, use a stress ball to fill in negative space in length. These balls are soft and waterproof and will no interrupt vacuum, they will fill in negative space and allow for greater expansion.
 
I'd think the purpose of the ball taking-up negative space would be to increase available pressure, but with either The VV Wine mod or The Extreme model, this wouldn't be an issue. The best results (for me, at least) is going into the cylinder with as high an EQ as possible and maintaining it for as long as possible. If you're struggling with this aspect, I suggest practice edging and really getting in-tune with what works for you. As Mike has mentioned in the past, taking a 1/4 or 1/2 of Viagra can always help. I don't utilize [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]'s between pumping sets, (I jelq and squeeze the WR out), but others have utilized this with good results. Personally, always striving for more intensity and reaching further and further into the cylinder have yielded the best results.
Best of luck!
 
Big Schwanz Acht;724158 said:
I'd think the purpose of the ball taking-up negative space would be to increase available pressure, but with either The VV Wine mod or The Extreme model, this wouldn't be an issue. The best results (for me, at least) is going into the cylinder with as high an EQ as possible and maintaining it for as long as possible. If you're struggling with this aspect, I suggest practice edging and really getting in-tune with what works for you. As Mike has mentioned in the past, taking a 1/4 or 1/2 of Viagra can always help. I don't utilize [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]'s between pumping sets, (I jelq and squeeze the WR out), but others have utilized this with good results. Personally, always striving for more intensity and reaching further and further into the cylinder have yielded the best results.
Best of luck!
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Thanks guys for the answers. Tonight I broke down and watched some adult entertainment so I could get a 100% erection before entering. Hated to do it but I needed to see the difference and damn I loved how it felt. Great expansion also. For now I'm just going to do regular jelqs in between sets and keep my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bm[/words] use to m-w-f until completely conditioned to pumping. Thanks for all the help and support
 
Big Schwanz Acht;724158 said:
I'd think the purpose of the ball taking-up negative space would be to increase available pressure, but with either The VV Wine mod or The Extreme model, this wouldn't be an issue.
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That was my initial thought but he said he had an Extreme????
 
doublelongdaddy;724183 said:
That was my initial thought but he said he had an Extreme????
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Yes I do have a extreme. I was simply curious on why having to much negative space was a bad thing. I've seen you mention it a few times dld so since I've just recently got into pumping I was researching around and it was a question I could not find a direct answer to. Not that I was worried about having to much I feel as though I'm right where I should be in the xx30.
 
smitty2590;724221 said:
Yes I do have a extreme. I was simply curious on why having to much negative space was a bad thing. I've seen you mention it a few times dld so since I've just recently got into pumping I was researching around and it was a question I could not find a direct answer to. Not that I was worried about having to much I feel as though I'm right where I should be in the xx30.
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Oh, OK I understand. The Wine-Vac modification and the Extreme came after the Stress Ball. With a wine-vac or the hand ball negative space will NOT be an issue. Even if you went with an [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X50[/words] the wine-vac would still bring expansion.
 
smitty2590;724221 said:
Yes I do have a extreme. I was simply curious on why having to much negative space was a bad thing. I've seen you mention it a few times dld so since I've just recently got into pumping I was researching around and it was a question I could not find a direct answer to. Not that I was worried about having to much I feel as though I'm right where I should be in the xx30.
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The negative space is an issue with an air pump. Water is incompressible, so it has no effect on the vacuum if there is more space in the cylinder, as long as there isn't air in it. With an air pump, the more space you have in the cylinder, the weaker your vacuum will be since air can expand and contract. This is also why you want as little air in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] as possible to keep your vacuum strong. Hope that helps.
 
ThatDude512;724258 said:
The negative space is an issue with an air pump. Water is incompressible, so it has no effect on the vacuum if there is more space in the cylinder, as long as there isn't air in it. With an air pump, the more space you have in the cylinder, the weaker your vacuum will be since air can expand and contract. This is also why you want as little air in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] as possible to keep your vacuum strong. Hope that helps.
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Thanks dld and thatdude512 I understand now. Like I said I was just curious and researching and it was a question that came to mind.
 
smitty2590;724058 said:
Hey guys I've saw a few people mention how to much negative space is a bad thing etc and I was wanting to find more info. Just new to pumping and trying to educate myself in every aspect and was having trouble locating a post that specifically describes what the issue is.

Also I'm currently using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]x30[/words] extreme and my current stats are bpel 5.25" and eg is 4.75". Now when I use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bm[/words] I have a difficult time staying hard so therefore I do have a lot of negative space as I'm no where near ackibf the tube or filling it up in length. Also one other thing is I'm a weird person I guess but my fsl is actually less then my bpel and it's not because of how hard I stretch when measuring trust me. So if I'm not hard going into the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bm[/words] I obviously don't take up as much room as I would if erect. Any info on this I'd appreciate or if there are other post add the link I'm just wanting to learn more. Sorry if this is a dumb question to some.

One last thing I've also seen someone mention wearing a sleeve in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bm[/words] and I have tons of sleeves so was wanting to know what's the benefits of this?
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I remember dld once said if there is too much negative space inside the pump, you can get a small silicone ball or something like that and put it inside the pump while doing your session to reduce the space.
 
huge-girth;758678 said:
I remember dld once said if there is too much negative space inside the pump, you can get a small silicone ball or something like that and put it inside the pump while doing your session to reduce the space.
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There is also now the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BathMate[/words] Wide Boy which is a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X30[/words] with a much wider space for girth. If you are dealing with negative space in your [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X30[/words] you can upgrade to a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X30[/words] WideBoy that will handle more girth in a similar length tube. This will most likely make its way across the line, I am betting it is going tp based on the success of the Wide Boy.
 
doublelongdaddy;758709 said:
There is also now the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]BathMate[/words] Wide Boy which is a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X30[/words] with a much wider space for girth. If you are dealing with negative space in your [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X30[/words] you can upgrade to a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]X30[/words] WideBoy that will handle more girth in a similar length tube. This will most likely make its way across the line, I am betting it is going tp based on the success of the Wide Boy.
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What are the measurements for the new [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]x30[/words] wide boy?
 
Mike3209;758728 said:
What are the measurements for the new [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]x30[/words] wide boy?
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I believe 8.5 x 7 but I will confirm that to be sure.
 
Mike3209;758879 said:
Dang that's a huge size for sure! Can't wait to be using that!
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With the right amount of dedication and consistency, you will get there.
 
Mike3209;758879 said:
Dang that's a huge size for sure! Can't wait to be using that!
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No doubt! This will be a very good thing for men who max girth before length, allowing them to stick with one pump and never having to upgrade. It is pretty bad ass looking too. Almost like a shortened [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Goliath[/words].
 
looks squatty to me :)

The Greeks had some formula for proportions that were most pleasing to the eye...I think they called it 'The Golden Mean'. For our PE endeavors, that would loosely translate to our girth being 75% of our length...my new BPEL goal needs to be 9.33" now, grrr (effin' Greeks and their math, lol)
 
Big Schwanz Acht;759011 said:
looks squatty to me :)

The Greeks had some formula for proportions that were most pleasing to the eye...I think they called it 'The Golden Mean'. For our PE endeavors, that would loosely translate to our girth being 75% of our length...my new BPEL goal needs to be 9.33" now, grrr (effin' Greeks and their math, lol)
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I just looked it up. Its called the Golden Ratio and the math to figure it out is weird.
 
cladre60;759029 said:
I just looked it up. Its called the Golden Ratio and the math to figure it out is weird.
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Those pesky Greeks and their golden ratio! They would hate my perspectives :) I go with the Italian Ratio :)
 
doublelongdaddy;759082 said:
Those pesky Greeks and their golden ratio! They would hate my perspectives :) I go with the Italian Ratio :)
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Didn't the greeks see a small penis as desirable? Or was that the Romans? I can't remember.
 
Big Schwanz Acht;759083 said:
I 'loosely' tried to apply it to PE
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Proportion is key. I don't want a short fat stump or a long skinny branch. You see in adult entertainment where some guys are so thick that the BJ ends at the head. That's no fun! There's a perfect proportion for the erect human penis and I'm trying to find it.
 
cladre60;759089 said:
Proportion is key. I don't want a short fat stump or a long skinny branch. You see in adult entertainment where some guys are so thick that the BJ ends at the head. That's no fun! There's a perfect proportion for the erect human penis and I'm trying to find it.
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I've never been a fan of blow job. I want to be 9 X 7
 
cladre60;759087 said:
Didn't the greeks see a small penis as desirable? Or was that the Romans? I can't remember.
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The Greeks...they viewed a large phallus as oafish/clumsy (plus they ass-fucked other men for pleasure and only had sex w/women to procreate)
 
Big Schwanz Acht;759165 said:
The Greeks...they viewed a large phallus as oafish/clumsy (plus they ass-fucked other men for pleasure and only had sex w/women to procreate)
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The Romans fucked men too, or more precisely young boys that they took on their military campaigns. Of course both were cultures that would castrate boys so they'd be docile as slaves.
 
Big Schwanz Acht;759187 said:
we humans have some seriously messed-up history (just wait until people read about today's administration 100 years from now, lol)
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We're going seriously backwards in society. People changing genders because its the new and cool thing to do. No wonder aliens haven't visited. They're sitting back watching us going "What the FUCK?! Pass the popcorn."
 
cladre60;759189 said:
We're going seriously backwards in society. People changing genders because its the new and cool thing to do. No wonder aliens haven't visited. They're sitting back watching us going "What the FUCK?! Pass the popcorn."
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Haha that cracked me up!
 
cladre60;759162 said:
I love them cause it's the only time I'm not focused on her pleasure. I get to relax and enjoy.
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The reason why I don't like it is because of what you stated. I don't feel anything no matter how good she is at giving blowjobs.
 
huge-girth;759230 said:
The reason why I don't like it is because of what you stated. I don't feel anything no matter how good she is at giving blowjobs.
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I've had some bad ones that I just wanted to be over. A chick I dated for a while was always dragging her teeth. Took her 3 BJs to stop saying sorry for doing it cause every time she'd hear "don't stop, just watch the teeth" and I'd push her head down. She slowly got better at not chewing on me but after a few of them I wouldn't let her blow me just to get me off. A BJ from her was for foreplay only. That really crushed her but she simply wasn't good at it.
 
A BJ is more 'distraction' for me...it feels like the girl and I are disconnected and I just can't quiet-down my mind to actually enjoy it. Plus the whole teeth thing is always an issue/worry
 
Big Schwanz Acht;759238 said:
A BJ is more 'distraction' for me...it feels like the girl and I are disconnected and I just can't quiet-down my mind to actually enjoy it. Plus the whole teeth thing is always an issue/worry
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The teeth issue is why I don't want to get too thick.

I tend to give feedback in forms of moans and heavy breathing when deserved. That always helps us get connected better. By us I mean my dick and her throat.

My friend at work always tells me how he loves giving straight guys a BJ especially the ones who say they've never had a good one. I've declined quite a few of his offers. The weird thing is that he isn't hitting on me or wants anything in return, he says he just loves sucking dick and fucking men in the ass. I keep asking him to have a talk with my wife about the first part.
 
ThatDude512;724258 said:
The negative space is an issue with an air pump. Water is incompressible, so it has no effect on the vacuum if there is more space in the cylinder, as long as there isn't air in it. With an air pump, the more space you have in the cylinder, the weaker your vacuum will be since air can expand and contract. This is also why you want as little air in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]bathmate[/words] as possible to keep your vacuum strong. Hope that helps.
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I don't think that this is true.

Air is basically air molecules flying around in space. Now we want to get rid of as many air molecules as needed in order to create a low vacuum for PE. If the space is larger, more air molecules have to be sucked out of the cylinder. But if you pump the larger [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]penis pump[/words] a little longer and end up with 10inHG then this value has the same effect in a small cylinder and a larger cylinder.

The good thing about a large space is that it requires more air molecules to get back into the cylinder until the vacuum subsides. Only leaks allow air coming in but they are usually small (where pieces are glued together, gaitor [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words]) and the amount of molecules flowing in is limited.

Pressure is a physical quantity for which a force is stated independent of the area it is acting on. So space is volume and volume has surface/area. Larger space still gives the same force for given pressure.

Pressure acts perpendicular to a surface and in a pressure vessel it is equally distributed within the vessel.

I don't really understand it myself right now. But it seems that the extra space shouldn't matter.

pressure = Force/Area
Force = pressure*Area

And here the area that counts is the penis surface which remains unchanged for larger cylinders.
 
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cladre60;759247 said:
The teeth issue is why I don't want to get too thick.

I tend to give feedback in forms of moans and heavy breathing when deserved. That always helps us get connected better. By us I mean my dick and her throat.

My friend at work always tells me how he loves giving straight guys a BJ especially the ones who say they've never had a good one. I've declined quite a few of his offers. The weird thing is that he isn't hitting on me or wants anything in return, he says he just loves sucking dick and fucking men in the ass. I keep asking him to have a talk with my wife about the first part.
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Unfortunately I don't know how a blowjob feels like. Never had the chance but I want to in the future. I am aware that girth can be an issue. Have you tried putting a 6 inch object into your mouth? I tested and it doesn't really fit. However I can't stop pumping and it is hard to imagine that my penis is too big already. I just keep going.

By the way Shane Diesel blowjobs don't really look pleasurable. His girth maximum is somewhere at the front and the girls can only take the tip into their mouth. That is why I have been sympathizing lately with moderate penis sizes that you see in amateur adult entertainment where girls can do a lot of stuff during blowjobs.
 
Big Schwanz Acht;759165 said:
The Greeks...they viewed a large phallus as oafish/clumsy (plus they ass-fucked other men for pleasure and only had sex w/women to procreate)
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I think that PE is a heathen thing. But I didn't want to say that because DLD is Christian if I am correct. I am also Roman catholic but I am also very interested in Nordic Mythology which was the religion of these lands before Christianization by the King of Franks, Charles the Great.

Thor for instance, to me, is the personification of a healthy and strong hammer bearer.
 
Chaoskampf;759255 said:
Unfortunately I don't know how a blowjob feels like. Never had the chance but I want to in the future. I am aware that girth can be an issue. Have you tried putting a 6 inch object into your mouth? I tested and it doesn't really fit. However I can't stop pumping and it is hard to imagine that my penis is too big already. I just keep going.

By the way Shane Diesel blowjobs don't really look pleasurable. His girth maximum is somewhere at the front and the girls can only take the tip into their mouth. That is why I have been sympathizing lately with moderate penis sizes that you see in amateur adult entertainment where girls can do a lot of stuff during blowjobs.
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I am sorry to hear that you have yet to experience it. I love a good BJ.

6" circumference and larger is quite a bit to stuff into some mouths. It would certainly shorten how long of a BJ you could get depending on the woman. I was watching an older scene with Dani Woodward and another chick giving a guy a BJ. Dani was getting almost all the way down and just about able to lick the balls while the other chick could barely get over halfway. I'm sure there's women that can swallow a really thick cock without hesitating and others aren't comfortable getting an average cock to their back teeth.
 
cladre60;759263 said:
I am sorry to hear that you have yet to experience it. I love a good BJ.

6" circumference and larger is quite a bit to stuff into some mouths. It would certainly shorten how long of a BJ you could get depending on the woman. I was watching an older scene with Dani Woodward and another chick giving a guy a BJ. Dani was getting almost all the way down and just about able to lick the balls while the other chick could barely get over halfway. I'm sure there's women that can swallow a really thick cock without hesitating and others aren't comfortable getting an average cock to their back teeth.
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Yes. I bought a [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]Fleshlight[/words] so that I have something to compare to. If everything fits in the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]Fleshlight[/words] then it should still be okay. Also the penis moves inwards quite easily and it deforms a bit to fit better.
 
Chaoskampf;759301 said:
Yes. I bought a [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]Fleshlight[/words] so that I have something to compare to. If everything fits in the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]Fleshlight[/words] then it should still be okay. Also the penis moves inwards quite easily and it deforms a bit to fit better.
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With enough lube and patience anything will fit. One past gf was so tight I was almost hurting trying to slide inside her the first night we had sex. After that night it was just a wonderfully awesome tight unless we skipped a night of sex. Then it was back to the size of a dime. This was long before PE with a 4.75" girth. She would've needed to be dripping wet to fit anything thicker.

Obviously nothing compares to the real thing but I used to have a toy with nearly identical material to the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]Fleshlight[/words]. It felt close to fucking a woman in the ass since mine was smooth. I don't think you can fully recreate how a vagina is going to feel since there's some voluntary movements and involuntary (like when the upper 1/3 widens to better hold cum).

You'd need a BJ machine to get close to the feeling of a real one. Still the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]Fleshlight[/words] and things with similar material get close and are good [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]stamina[/words] practice. If I became single again I'd purchase one.
 
cladre60;759236 said:
I've had some bad ones that I just wanted to be over. A chick I dated for a while was always dragging her teeth. Took her 3 BJs to stop saying sorry for doing it cause every time she'd hear "don't stop, just watch the teeth" and I'd push her head down. She slowly got better at not chewing on me but after a few of them I wouldn't let her blow me just to get me off. A BJ from her was for foreplay only. That really crushed her but she simply wasn't good at it.
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Though I have met about 2 ladies in my life time who gave me good blow jobs, but I'd rather eat pussy than receive blow job.
 
huge-girth;759377 said:
Though I have met about 2 ladies in my life time who gave me good blow jobs, but I'd rather eat pussy than receive blow job.
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69 usually gives them motivation to give great BJs.
 
huge-girth;759586 said:
Yes I know that's true but I don't just like blow job I don't know why.
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I don't know, going down on a woman kind of make me ill. Some of those pussies can really stink!

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doublelongdaddy;759606 said:
I don't know, going down on a woman kind of make me ill. Some of those pussies can really stink!

stink.jpg
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I've had a few that were bad. I've been super lucky that my wife isn't one of them. We were talking about oral one day and I did say that I do prefer if she has taken a shower within a few hours prior, just in case she's been really sweaty. She said same goes with me. We don't necessity plan it but fortunately it seems to work out that way most of the time.

If she smells and tastes good I'll stay down there until my tongue can't move and I'm using my lips to keep going if she's enjoying it.
 
doublelongdaddy;759606 said:
I don't know, going down on a woman kind of make me ill. Some of those pussies can really stink!

stink.jpg
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Before giving a girl head, I make sure she is clean enough. I put my finger inside her and then bring it out, place it very close to my nose. If it smells good, if she is very beautiful with hot body and well shaved pussy, I'd suck that pussy real good. But I have come across a few bad ones with offenses smell as well. Most times, I just put my hands inside and when I perceive the offensive smell, I rub the finger with the liquid from her pussy it on her nose straight up, giving her a taste of her own medicine. After that, I tell her she smells so bad.

I like making them feel bad when they smell
 
cladre60;759670 said:
I've had a few that were bad. I've been super lucky that my wife isn't one of them. We were talking about oral one day and I did say that I do prefer if she has taken a shower within a few hours prior, just in case she's been really sweaty. She said same goes with me. We don't necessity plan it but fortunately it seems to work out that way most of the time.

If she smells and tastes good I'll stay down there until my tongue can't move and I'm using my lips to keep going if she's enjoying it.
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Same with me, if she lady is hot and the pussy is well shaved and smells so good, I don't mind going down on her. But I'm very picky though
 
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