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MaNofSteeL

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Ok guys so i made a post about the same thing on another place and i just need to know if any of u have ever used Andractim (DHT gel) on ur penis to enlarge it because i heard a lot about it and being a "approved medical thing"..

So any info at all would be much appreciated..thanks.

Respect.

p.s: i know some of u would say it doesnt work but i does.
 
Bigbadbison said:
It does not work on normal healthy fully developed men. Why do you think it works?
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On healthy fully grown men an increase of about 1inch in length and/or girth is not uncommon.
..I'm 18 so still growing, so i'm sure it'll definately help me.
 
MaNofSteeL said:
On healthy fully grown men an increase of about 1inch in length and/or girth is not uncommon.
..I'm 18 so still growing, so i'm sure it'll definately help me.
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Where are you gettin this from? I have read every study out there(not just the abstracts) as well as combed Penis Enlargement and BB forums. I have also PMed with several men who have tried this.

You either:

1) Know something I don't and should post your source so that we can discus this intelligently.

2) Don't know something I don't and simply believe you are correct.

3) Are completely full of shit and are looking for lab rats to try this before you so that you can see if it really works.

If the answer is 1, post your source of information. If it is number 2, simply say so.

Again, tell us why you think it works, if you fail to do so in your next post I will suspect 3 as your intentions.
 
I got all this info from steroid.com, go to the forums and search for things like Andractim and penis or DHT.
Make sure u read the posts made about it by "King of Masters" or KOM.

Respect.

p.s: i would never post things like that without knowing about it Bigbadbison.
 
the studies i'm familiar with were done on subjects suffering from a condition known as micropenis. even in these cases, the results were far from dramatic.
 
MaNofSteeL said:
I got all this info from steroid.com, go to the forums and search for things like Andractim and penis or DHT.
Make sure u read the posts made about it by "King of Masters" or KOM.

Respect.

p.s: i would never post things like that without knowing about it Bigbadbison.
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Yes, I am familiar with KOM's posts. He may know body building but he does not know what he is talking about in terms of DHT and pe. He quotes guys with micropenis, who didn't reach their potential due to a hormonal deficit. He does not under stand and offers no evidence of penis enlargement in normal developed men. If you don't believe me, pull up the studies from puBathmateed yourself.

Again, DHT will not grow the penis of a normal healthy man. I would love to be proved wrong, bu unfortunately, I don't think that is going to happen.
 
gorillaunit said:
the studies i'm familiar with were done on subjects suffering from a condition known as micropenis. even in these cases, the results were far from dramatic.
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Yes, unfortunately, yes.
 
i have had good personal experiences using a combo of diffrent Alternative methods that included dht when i started i was 5 now after a year close to 9
 
fun28hi said:
i have had good personal experiences using a combo of diffrent Alternative methods that included dht when i started i was 5 now after a year close to 9
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Really, then what is this post just 5 months ago about:

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9360

Why would you be considering taking m1 after finding the fountain of dick with dht?

We can also find you posts in the Supra and Crew thread where you talk about the exact protocol:

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?p=123431#post123431

Let me guess, IGF and induced priapism are your other extreme methods. Do you think we are fucking stupid?
 
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if you read that post i said i would never take pro hormons That i believe in the real deal of steroids... not a fake pro hormon equivalant... dont think i need to be attacked because of my personal opinon... i added dht cream into the mix at about the time of that post. so in no way am i being a hypocrite or lying about it. The other post you mention i did not say my exact protocol which is diffrent from supra's, but hey whatever man.
Just for the record: I dont think dht cream alone can make you grow huge but it helps jsut like the stretches and everything else it is a combonation.
 
fun28hi said:
i have had good personal experiences using a combo of diffrent Alternative methods that included dht when i started i was 5 now after a year close to 9
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OK, maybe I miss read this. Are you saying that you have put on nearly four inches in a year and some of that growth is from dht use in the last five months?

I apologize for now because I can not exclude the possibility that you are some sort of super gainer. It is also possible that you had not yet reached your growth potential and that dht helped, although I doubt this because you started off in the average range.

I am irritable because at this point, I think Magnum sent a lot of guys on an expensive and dangerous wild goose chase to test a half baked hypothesis. Thats my educated opinion.
 
Really, you don't get HPTA shutdown from the use of Andractim. Not in the doses that you have used. I have told you before. Applying it on your balls makes no difference, all the same bloodstream, besides testes react to (the lack of) LH [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ans[/words] FSH, not (the presence of) test or DHT. So please leave your own sorry physical problems out of this discussion from now on.

Than again: Andractim does NOT work. I've tried it myself and used very high doses combined with other androgens, in high doses as well. It DOES NOT work. (I was 23 years old at the time)
 
really tough guy?

then why when using topical androgens (testrogel, testroxin, androgel etc...) are you warned not to come in contact with genitilia?

then what else could have caused it?
i have no other explination--my normal every day test levels are:

total test : 828 ng/dl
free test: 17 pg/ml
shbg: 24.1 nmol/l

i have no other explination as to why
i lost muscle mass
sex drive
penile size
was depressed

& this has happened twice


so you tell me "the oak"

what caused it?
 
Fall in the natural testproduction is very common. Bad health, stress, feeling insecure etc etc. You say you felt depressed because your test was low. It might very well be the other way around. The doses you have used were just to low. DHT itself is not that suppressive. I've seen studies in which the test production even rose a little due to the use of Proviron. The reason? Although you get extra DHT (which is suppressive) you get less estrogen (which is suppressive as well).

You should be much more concerned when using stuff like test-cream. That's not only androgenicly suppressive, but also raises the estrogen-levels. Applying to genitalia makes no difference.... unless you are female. It might be an important warning since so many users of test-cream are female.

Sorry I was such a dick. It's not my day.
 
i dont know bro---
bad days suck--


so you say provivron actuall "increases" endogenous test?
Hydromaxm

i thought that was the MOST supressive androgen to take---thats what the steroid profile @ steroid.com
 
Proviron is almost pure DHT. Unlike similar androgens that are based on DHT (Winstrol f.e.) it does not have any affinity for the estrogen-receptor. It does bind the aromatase-enzym perfectly though, blocking the transformation of testosteron into estrogen. That's why it might even raise your test as it did in some studies. Much more likely it will lower it, but only a little bit, even in doses of 150 mg per day, for months on end. Try and compare that with the dose of Andractim you took, which doesn't even garanty full absorbtion of the DHT.

If a rise in your natural test-production is what you're looking for, don't go for the enzym-blockers, but for the receptor-blockers. Very weak estrogens like Nolvadex. You never reach the end of it I'm afraid, because the use of extra estrogens (however weak) block that other important enzym, de reductase, which transforms testosterone in DHT. So you might end up with a high testosteroneproduction and a low libido, because you're hormonal balance wouldn't be androgenic enough (not enough DHT). This is important because once you discontinue the use of Nolvadex, there's still not enough DHT to prevent aromatase from doing it's job a bit too good. In my view this is one of the reasons why so many bodybuilders report a sudden outbreak of gyno months after the discontinuation of their cycle.

BB-sites are full of nonsence and repeat each other without adding new information. I'm the only real expert that is around. ;)
 
I tried a variation of the Magnum/Supra protocol with very limited and temporary success. I didn't inject the Long-R3 in my unit though, only in delts. I concluded at that point DHT wasn't much use.

Since then I've been doing a very low duration/frequency/intensity protocol with infrared heating before stretching (no girth work at this point). I'd been seeing gains of about 1/16" per week for about 5 weeks before gains abruptly halted.

I keep a meticulous spreadsheet of activity including all supplements, water intake, whether I've had alcohol and how much sleep I've had (both subjectively and in hours).

The one thing that has changed in this protocol when gains stopped is that I didn't use DHT (Andactrim gel, 2.5%, 2" bead, 1/2 hour before warm up). I didn't bother because I no longer felt it was worthwhile. The protocol is only 2 sessions per week.

My second session of the week is tomorrow morning, and I'm going to add the DHT back in there to see if gains resume, so I might have some anecdotal evidence for or against this shortly.

Oak, if I recall from the last thread we conversed in, you were using very large amounts of the DHT gel, to the point where you were experiencing absorbtion limits(?) This makes me wonder about some emails I exchanged with Dr K. Michael Reicher a couple of years ago from Big Al's forum, when he was using small amounts of Androgel EOD and claiming about 1/2" per month. He claimed the EOD application was to avoid shutdown, but I wonder if it was inadvertantly the reason he saw success. I also tried something similar without results. There were some differences though. I couldn't get actual Androgel, so I got a compounded version (then later made my own from Testosterone suspension), and I used it ED.

I'm wondering if using large amounts, or using it ED would cause the AR to calibrate quickly, whereas EOD or longer intervals don't(?) It's a long shot, and probably will come to nothing, but since I already have the stuff here, I may as well try it out of curiosity. I'll post the results either way in a week or two.

Regards

Shiver
 
I forgot to mention that I used the DHT only once on excersise day, with at least two days inbetween. So if the label use of the gel says every 12 hours, suggesting skin depot depletes about that quickly, it means that that there's probably a 5:1 Off vs On time with DHT - a bit like micro cycles if you will. What's your opinion on the AR adaptation (quantity, sensitivity) in that scenario?
 
if you used the cream before your work out like a half an hour before and use some type of lube then you pry lost most of the cream it gets absorbed slowly over a long period of time.
 
I don't use any other cream or lube. I do only dry stretches, mostly SO from behind the glans.

This mornings routine looked productive. We're talking numbers too small here for me to make any solid claims, but knowing my routine and my body how I do, at this point I'd say it's making a difference.
 
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