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Hey, I've been in the dating community for a pretty long time now, and this is by far the best program I have ever seen. It's about making a deep identity level change, to the point where you become a complete natural that sees meeting women as something as easy as brushing your teeth.

It's worth checking out. Owen Cook is the man. Here's the youtube link:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KHxIUtau-7I
 
RSD is good but i much prefer TMM with C&F... RSD is too much inner game and not enough structure. From what i've read about their bootcamps, they push everyone to open set after set but don't really teach much past that. I understand that inner game is important but there's more to gaming than that.

That said... Tyler Durden is very well known and respected in the PUA community.
 
I understand what you mean. I've been into DYD and MM.

But i still think RSD has the right idea. I actually think RSD and DYD are both better than MM. And I Think that Tyler has a good point when he's saying that a lot of people become response junkies instead of developing good natural game.

As for Mystery, I think he's is fundamentally a really insecure person. He's just developed a very effective way of shielding it through a variety of tricks and tactics. Not to say those tactics don't work, but I think if that's all you learn you don't really evolve as much as you could. So structure is important, but it's more like a set of training wheels than anything else.
 
It's only training wheels if you use it as a bible and not as a starting point... Every beginner needs structure and only from experience will one's natural game develop. RSD focusses too much on inner game which is not entirely a bad thing but for aspiring pua's, they need a tried and true blueprint to gain success which eventually leads to strong inner game. The people who try to sell the structure/training wheels analogy are the guys trying to sell you their own programs. I have never read anyone say anything bad about TMM bootcamps but i have read alot of bad press about RSD bootcamps.

TMM uses structure and framework to gain success and confidence necessary for a strong inner game. RSD builds strong inner game in the begining and tries to work on the other things later. It's a chicken and egg thing... RSD will work better on some and TMM will work better on others. I just prefer TMM because anyone can take it as is and be successful right away... but once you become confident and develop your inner game, it is natural to deviate from the structure and do what works for you based on your experience. TMM is also the basis for alot of other programs offered today. You have to remember that 10 years ago, there weren't that many guys teaching this stuff... the biggies back then were Ross Jeffries and Mystery. Tyler Durden was part of the Mystery crew where he slowly developed RSD and started competing with Mystery.

I agree with you about Mystery being insecure... he's a head case but his theories and methods have made ALOT of successful pua's...
 
DYD + MM is ownage I think. Honestly David DeAngelo has to be my personal favorite by far of all the big-name seduction teachers. He makes it to where you actually internalize all this stuff and you no longer need any sort of lines/routines/etc. It all comes naturally! In his words, "You just GET IT!"

I've seen his Deep Inner Game series, listened to his Cocky Comedy series, read his Sexual Communication book (http://freewebs.com/maestro_mr/SCW.pdf) and am watching his Advanced (dating) series right now. In a few short weeks I went from having one girl hookups/potentials/friends (of course I was in a pretty serious open relationship) to having so many girls to keep up with I can't! I was literally walking down the street today thinking, "Hmm, which girls do I need to text today that I forgot to or haven't recently" (can't abandon them, gotta shuffle). I just had sex with two radiant women today, but I'll post that up on my older ex-gf post.

Also I should mention I had an absolute 10 (or some would say HB11 even, for real!) at a party last weekend getting heavy physically in talking (deep sexual communication), rubbing on her perfect ass, low part of back, back neck, etc. She has a boyfriend, told me, and I just immediately and CONGRUENTLY responded, "Oh, so do I, and don't try and tempt me and cheat on him, he doesn't like that." She giggled and kept giving me a very sexual look and gave me her number and said she wanted to "smoke out with me soon." I have talked with her in the past and even made out with her drunkenly once, but she has always had a boyfriend. There's a ton of sexual tension there and I LOVE IT!

When you truly start learning how to talk to a woman on their level in a primal, sexual sense, it's OVER! It's unbelievable how natural this stuff starts becoming. I approached several sets of gorgeous women (9s and up), not nervous at all, this past weekend (RoundUp Weekend is a huge party weekend here at UT), managed to connect with a few of them and get their numbers and keep contact, although I got cock blocked pretty hard on one hot, horny fresHydromaxan red-headed girl. Her three sober (one ugly one was really doing the cock blocking, befriended her as well as I could, but it seems she was jealous not leaving at the end of the night with a guy) friends ended up being the reason; shit sure was hot and heavy on the dance floor though. I've only just begun living life like this, but I can see myself having all the success I ever dreamed of, not only with women, but in my own life.
 
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Yeah, I'm a really big fan of David Deangelo as well. I guess I should have specified that BluePrint is better for people who have gotten past the beginner levels.

The thing that i like about it though (and I've watched Dr. Paul and David D), is that it takes on a bit more of eastern philosophy on the ego and holistic thoughts. I know that's a bit too whuu whuu for a lot of guys, but sometimes the seduction community can get a little bit too nerdy and intellectual, focusing only on evolution and primal human behaviors. Dr.Paul actually talks about the different parts of the human brain and makes some good distinctions in "Omega Male", but other than that it tends to get a little primal "Richard Dawkins" style.

One guy at the RSD seminar even said that he at one point started to evaluate all his decisions according to what would serve him best from an evolutionary standpoint. So this stuff can really be taken to extremes sometimes.

One great thing that Tyler said was: "The more you are able to hold to conflicting truths in your head at the same time, the more flexible you are." Because guess what, reality is composed of just that. As this point i could continue by talking about Ken Wilber and Ingeralism, but I'll do you all a favor and round off now. :p
 
Mystery's stuff on negging and the process behind pickup is a pretty good one. I like how he splits his stages up (A/C/S) and how he speaks of the "time bridges" needed to build comfort in order for her to finally put out (hopefully within 4-10 hours total of hanging out with you). It's just that the guy has NO inner game at all. Oh, I think he himself does (especially after he was a TV star), but he doesn't teach you how to develop yourself. I've had success just using his material only, but I always felt like I was scrambling to find the right thing to say and was really overjudging the communication and just not letting it flow like I can now. According to Deangelo's views, my "problem" a lot of times (and I'm sure with a lot of guys using Mystery's Method) was that I was talking to the persona instead of the inner self. The key is you MUST IMMEDIATELY CONNECT with that inner self from first contact. You've gotta get to her to show how she REALLY is behind the walls she (and everyone in social situations around those we don't trust) is hiding her true personality behind.

I find that what happened with the 10 was great because she was wearing a colorful hoodie and I went into this spontaneous rap routine and called her something like "hiiiijiiii jiijii" and she was absolutely loving it, touching me constantly, giving me "the look," etc. Getting to this inner level brings about a very strong sexual energy + comfort simultaneously. It sends the message, "Yes, I am a man who knows what he wants, but I'm not desperate and I can see you for who you are, you don't have to hide your inner self from me." And during this whole process there is a big :) between both parties.
 
Yes, David Deangelo has it nailed. Great stuff he has. At the end of the day allot of this is confidence. I can go into a nightclub and pull virtually any woman I want. My good looks and atheletic body help but I have the James Bond cocky funny mysterious thing going on and I dont kiss their ass. Davids materials help you figure out what to 'tune' shall we say and understand whats going on.
 
REDZULU2003;300178 said:
Yes, David Deangelo has it nailed. Great stuff he has. At the end of the day allot of this is confidence. I can go into a nightclub and pull virtually any woman I want. My good looks and atheletic body help but I have the James Bond cocky funny mysterious thing going on and I dont kiss their ass. Davids materials help you figure out what to 'tune' shall we say and understand whats going on.

The funny thing about this stuff is it doesn't make "logical" sense. I was sitting at a frat cook-out last night, busting on a few girls that were there, ended up getting four numbers last night, two of them very attractive. It's amazing how you can bust on a chick, not answer her directly, etc, and they LOVE it.

This girl came down the stairs at the cook-out, and there were seriously about 13 guys in the circle I was talking in (and nonverbally dominating). They ALL introduced themselves and answered them directly. I never said a word and quickly the girls moved my way and started asking me shit. I told them they had better know how to cook some hot dogs. She responded with, "Ugh, you're supposed to be cooking them for me." I just said, "Sister, if you can't cook a hotdog, you have a LOT to work on." Smiling and being cocky/funny the whole time. I always work on keeping that non-verbal TENSION that David DeAngelo talks about all the time. It's a sort of "James Bond" look as you say, Red. It's a very seductive type of look that women love to play with men. Funny thing all these guys were trying to qualify, qualify, qualify. I just disqualify myself, never answer directly (although sometimes I will just to be unpredictable), and kept the frame that I CONTROL REALITY. That girl ended up calling me at the end of the night wanting to come over to my place. She wasn't up to my standards (8+) so I told her I'd hang out with her tomorrow night.

I can't believe this shit actually works though. It really is amazing.

It seriously is 95% non-verbal though, at least. When I have that true INNER GAME I could say "blah blah blah" to a girl and have her all over me. It's when I don't have that stable frame of mind (I CREATE REALITY) that I don't have as good of a time with women.
 
I really can't wait to hear David DeAngelo's style. I guess I'll read that book while I wait for the torrent to finish downloading. Thanks again 10inch. Me and you are on the same road, just breaking up with our girlfriends, and learning to pick up more. The weird thing is the more I read about cocky funny and negging, I know its not supposed to make sense, but in reality it does. And when you think about the successful guys, natural or not, they all do it as if its an escalation from elementary school when we used to hit or tease the ones we liked.
 
longstretch;300238 said:
I really can't wait to hear David DeAngelo's style. I guess I'll read that book while I wait for the torrent to finish downloading. Thanks again 10inch. Me and you are on the same road, just breaking up with our girlfriends, and learning to pick up more. The weird thing is the more I read about cocky funny and negging, I know its not supposed to make sense, but in reality it does. And when you think about the successful guys, natural or not, they all do it as if its an escalation from elementary school when we used to hit or tease the ones we liked.

Yes, we are in the same boat. You will LOVE his material. I could have had a threesome last night had I not been uncomfortable around that girl who I met at the frat cook-out two nights ago. She was quite insecure and slept with a ton of guys. Although the funny thing was my ex was raising my value like a mother fucker at the time time. She told her she had orgasmed from anal, had a white guy with a huge dick, etc. Later on that girl found out it was ME. Hahahaha. The only thing I did with both of them was make out at the same time, but I wouldn't touch that other girl with a ten foot pole. It turned out to be quite an interesting night.

The main thing is that everything just feels NATURAL now, as compared to the awkwardness of how everything used to be. I had some good success with MM, but I never had worked on any inner game so it was always being "canned" and "planned", while DYD stuff is just so smooth and natural you won't even be thinking about it sometimes and saying Penis EnlargementRFECT lines everytime.

For example, you'll start saying the perfect thing in the perfect situation. This girl was talking about how she ended up being drunk and passing out on some guy's bed (yes, wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole). I just said in, in a humorous way, "Oh, did you beat you with a stick?" I did the motion along with it as well. I didn't even realize how good of a line it was, as I was originally thinking of it as a joke but turned out to have a huge sexual UNDERTONE (you'll master these). Both girls responded very favorably. The thing is that my communication with women is now ambiguous, rather than direct (like with men). Women talk in a code. They don't generally say something direct, they'll lead you on with a phrase that might mean one thing when you look at it directly, but mean another when you look at it another. You'll start talking with them like this, and it'll greatly build attraction.

As always, it's great to get status reports from the women themselves. Luckily this girl was a loud mouth and somewhat frank, so she told me, "You know, you came off as the standard frat-boy asshole type, but I could tell there was something...different about you. I can't quite figure you out." Yes, I can be somewhat pompous while jesting with women, yet I have the attitude of "Oh I'm so playing and you're loving it" (she was talking about the incident where I was saying she had better earn her keep and make me a hotdog). Also, I keep an air of mystery about myself, and I'm unpredictable in how I'll answer questions or doing things. This keeps the "I can't figure him out" game running through their heads. This is a combination of high status (makes them keep wanting to figure you out, the "prize") + unpredictability (keeps them on their toes and getting the emotional thrill of you being one of the "different ones") + sexual tension (this includes using ambiguous wording constantly, as well as having "the sexual posture" that you'll naturally start using).

Even if I'm not getting a chick (which trust me, you can't get every girl, not by a long shot, some girls, as David Deangelo says, just are too tight or something to enjoy flirting, or in a bad mood) I always want to stand out from the other guys. I think this alone really helps keeps girl interested, even if it's just at a friend or acquaintance level (which is good, you always want to be associated with beautiful women). No, you don't have to get all Mystery'd out to stand out. Just do it by not being like the other guys. All the other guys answer them directly.

"What is your major?" -girl
"Business with a minor in French." -typical guy

"What is your major?" -girl
"Well, I was doing professional sky diving, but now I'm doing waste management." -me

Always with that flirting, teasing aura that you're putting out.

Just be different than all the other guys out there, because most girls find it BORING. You'll pick up when to give them an honest answer and when to keep the mysterious stuff up. With many girls if you don't end up giving at least one honest answer they'll see you as "too difficult" and will give up; I've had it happen, although it was ridiculous how much I beat around the bush. Good thing I wasn't sexually interested in her.

Another thing, you can practice this on all women. Just with women you're not interested in, leave the sexual tension (body language) out of it.
 
I know man. I've been practicing with as many girls as I can. I work at a restaurant and most of my coworkers are women. Lately I've just been a confident badass or at least trying to set that frame while being cocky funny and its amazing how girls who would of never even given me a second thought started commenting on me being the funny crazy guy, in a good way, and starting to build attraction with them. I now know from the MM to stand out, not neccessarily with platform shoes and black nail polish but just to stand out from the ordinary guy. I mean with the name like Average Joe Bag of Donuts how good of a fuck can he be?

The weird thing is I'm usually the shy nice guy type but after a while I see myself doing things naturally and its really bringing out my personality as well as attracting the opposite sex. I feel great after doing this today at work. Nice girls like me, bitches respect me and a lot of girls are starting to want me. I'm about to go to a party where I only know 2 or 3 people and I plan on doing the whole cocky funny. I can't wait to have this down. I've gotten to the point where I want to have sex but have learned to be willing to risk not having it. This is something I've always needed to learn but never could because of a girlfriend. I can only see good things becoming of this...well besides being like you and wondering which girl to call, now thats a tough call.
 
Wow this is ausome I didnt know you guys were into this to... I just started looking into it about a month ago...
what are some good books about being a PUA??????
 
WantsMore9;300316 said:
Wow this is ausome I didnt know you guys were into this to... I just started looking into it about a month ago...
what are some good books about being a PUA??????

Read the third post, I posted a link to one of his books. I'd recommend getting ALL of his DVD lecture series. And do support him (buy the thing) if it does help you, which it will. Just search on a torrent site for "David Deangelo."
 
longstretch;300315 said:
I know man. I've been practicing with as many girls as I can. I work at a restaurant and most of my coworkers are women. Lately I've just been a confident badass or at least trying to set that frame while being cocky funny and its amazing how girls who would of never even given me a second thought started commenting on me being the funny crazy guy, in a good way, and starting to build attraction with them. I now know from the MM to stand out, not neccessarily with platform shoes and black nail polish but just to stand out from the ordinary guy. I mean with the name like Average Joe Bag of Donuts how good of a fuck can he be?

The weird thing is I'm usually the shy nice guy type but after a while I see myself doing things naturally and its really bringing out my personality as well as attracting the opposite sex. I feel great after doing this today at work. Nice girls like me, bitches respect me and a lot of girls are starting to want me. I'm about to go to a party where I only know 2 or 3 people and I plan on doing the whole cocky funny. I can't wait to have this down. I've gotten to the point where I want to have sex but have learned to be willing to risk not having it. This is something I've always needed to learn but never could because of a girlfriend. I can only see good things becoming of this...well besides being like you and wondering which girl to call, now thats a tough call.

Not only will you have too many girls to talk with at once, but you'll have too many friends in general to have time to share with. Convert some of the hot girls (but not the ones you're trying to truly have sex with) into friends. They'll raise your value and throw in a good word about you to other women.

It gets to the point where you have to actually watch yourself when you go to parties, as you'll have multiple girls there who have you on the "fuck radar", and there'll be a lot of jealousy for sure! Just be careful with this. If they end up calling you on being a player, NEVER LOSE FACE. Say something like, "I never called you a slut for sleeping with other guys." Don't even give them a chance to respond back from that, either. Of course there are infinite ways to respond to a girl calling you out on that, but just never lose your dominance. Fuck her, you don't need to put up with her bullshit. If she has a problem you'll dump her right there and pick up another girl, no biggie. If you hold that attitude, your body language will say everything for you. Keep working on it; you can always improve.
 
Yes allot of it is body language and the whole cocky funny thing. Dont allow woman to control you and be the MAN is important. I always say be a 'nice bastard' which is a cross between a nice guy who woman like but get bored with as they are predictable and kiss their ass and a jerk [bad boy] who treats them like shit and is that piece of adventure. So I'm that, I'm very unpredictable, aloof but cocky/funny and I'm different. Woman love this .. be mysterious and dont hit on them direct. I have tried the cold method ... just walk into a club and play it soooo cooool .. ignore all the woman but have that good confident body language, smile and chat to the guys but dont overdo this ... try and look like the alpha male or maybe you are this already, by this I mean the otherguys show respect to you. Woman see this and like it ... also they see you not eyeing them up and not giving a shit about them ... they are like 'my god hes different'

Its an easy game to play BUT I think the rules of david deangelo and co go out the windows largely when you want a relashionship with a girl or woman as its very different than as stability is a ket factor ... these tips he provides are for players and genaeral pickups and a shag a night crew.

Enjoy
 
REDZULU2003;300369 said:
Yes allot of it is body language and the whole cocky funny thing. Dont allow woman to control you and be the MAN is important. I always say be a 'nice bastard' which is a cross between a nice guy who woman like but get bored with as they are predictable and kiss their ass and a jerk [bad boy] who treats them like shit and is that piece of adventure. So I'm that, I'm very unpredictable, aloof but cocky/funny and I'm different. Woman love this .. be mysterious and dont hit on them direct. I have tried the cold method ... just walk into a club and play it soooo cooool .. ignore all the woman but have that good confident body language, smile and chat to the guys but dont overdo this ... try and look like the alpha male or maybe you are this already, by this I mean the otherguys show respect to you. Woman see this and like it ... also they see you not eyeing them up and not giving a shit about them ... they are like 'my god hes different'

Its an easy game to play BUT I think the rules of david deangelo and co go out the windows largely when you want a relashionship with a girl or woman as its very different than as stability is a ket factor ... these tips he provides are for players and genaeral pickups and a shag a night crew.

Enjoy

Yeah, David's Dating series is geared towards more of the pickup, and he acknowledges that. However, he says to not lose that manly control, and to not get very emotional with a woman until you are in a pretty good ways into a relationship with her.
 
DYD is amazing when your first getting in to game. It really opens your eyes ! It got me confidant talkin to woman and being comfortable in my own skin witch i think is key to game. You can have all the best routines know all the techniques, peacocked out like a motha fucka . If your inna game is week and you dont truly believe you have something great to offer you wont get very far. Coving up your week inna game with all that fancy shit will get you some ass but in the long run your fuckin your self! Get your inna game down every thing else falls in to place!

The thing with DYD is you have to be careful with it . C+F is all about breaking rapport . If a girl is trying to gain rapport with and you keep fuckin up the rapport your get no where trust me. Iv had lots of girls attracted to me iv gone it to C+F mode n ive come off as a complete asshole. Calibration is key with C+F you cant be mr C+F all the time it gets boring for a girl constantly breaking the rapport . You get the girl by creating a deep emotional connection where you start hering shit like 'i feel like ive known you for ever'.

This is why i love juggler method no fake routines or 6 million different steps . Straight to the point natural game . A lil C+F with Juggler Method is the way to go. One thing i dont like about DYD it says never show interest. One thing with juggler method is you have to show interest . with SOIs it saves a lot of time.
 
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