Religious and Political labels

The Jesus of the neo-conservatives is a muscular, aggressive Jesus; a preemptive Jesus, proud and judgemental.

Kal,

>For example 2 years ago when W said, "God told me to strike at Saddam", serves as further proof that he is a fanatic.<

Once again, provide a reliable, non-left source for this alleged statement. I know you are a cool-aid drinker, but enough is enough.

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Rod,

>The Jesus of the neo-conservatives is a muscular, aggressive Jesus; a preemptive Jesus, proud and judgemental.<

Damn, and I so wanted to be a neo-con.

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Originally posted ny Bib:

Once again, provide a reliable, non-left source for this alleged statement. I know you are a cool-aid drinker, but enough is enough.

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Here ya go

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/index.cfm?Page=Article&ID=854

here's more, enjoy!:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A37944-2003Jun26?language=printer

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd06302003.html

http://www.unknownnews.net/insanity7.html

Notice, it is the Palestinian Prime Minister saying Bush said "God told me to do it". It's not exactly credible.

Kal,

Unbelievable the things you will kling to, in order to justify your stance on Bush. Why not try to be honest with yourself for a change?

From your Washington Post source:

"The Arabic-speaking colleague's translation, was this: "God inspired me to hit al Qaeda, and so I hit it. And I had the inspiration to hit Saddam, and so I hit him. Now I am determined to solve the Middle East problem if you help. Otherwise the elections will come and I will be wrapped up with them."

"Even then, there's uncertainty. After all, this is Abu Mazen's account in Arabic of what Bush said in English, written down by a note-taker in Arabic, then back into English."

So the WP itself calls into question the reported statements. But you wish to believe them true, no matter the questions, because it fits your preconceived notions on Bush.

Isn't that true? You blindly believe a Palestinian source, which admittedly may or may not have been translated correctly?

The only even slightly credible source you gave was the liberal Washington Post. The others were obvious leftist blather, against Bush for any reason, and they reported the same event. Just look at them.

You make my point better than I ever could. The detractors of Bush will stoop to any level, drag up any bit they can, to try and paint him with their own brush. The problem is, none of this is honest.

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How much could have been lost in translation? God wasn't mentioned at all or what? No one can argue Bush doesn't use God is on our side or with us. Then again what political leader hasn't? At some point the President uses God to his advantage. It's politics. I don't care if he does or doesn't. It's stupid on more levels than I'd care to get into, but it's something that has worked for a long time. Now if he was saying things like "God made me President" that's a little scary because even if he believes this...who givesashit George? Keep it to yourself you freak. If I was a Buddist would I give two shits what you believe your god has done for you? No. But he hasn't said this. And one thing of note someone on here said that Lincoln was ...let me see if I remember right...a President that used "God" a lot. I'm not sure if he ever used the God is on our side tactic. I know he didn't for the Civil War in his 2nd IA anyway. Being religious and using your religion to your political advantage are different things. I do however see Bush as using God beyond merely stating he is a born again and all that. It's for votes and that old hey he said God again he must be doing good thing. If I'm wrong though about someone referring to Lincoln in that light correct me please because I want to know.

Bib, what more can I say to clearify my point? You can't ignore the facts, but you seem to be blind to them as it seems that W "walks on water" as far as you're concerned.

Hey, a while back I read some of GWB's autobiography (funny as it sounds), and according to that he got religion following a weekend with Billy Graham in 1986, an in '98 he was inspired by a sermon about Moses as a model of political leadership. (His mother later said to him, "He [the minister] was talking to you." So that's when W decided to take up Moses' mantle and enter the presidential race.

So tiring. Believe as you wish, or as you have been conditioned to believe.

And no, a triple retranslation of a Palestinian is not a good source.

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Well, go watch the documentary...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4320586.stm

Bush said it indeed. I wouldn't take a man literally either if he said something like that. I'd think he was loony. It's still about as scary if Bush did think God actually spoke to him and told him to do this, but anyone who says something like that obviously believes he's doing God's work. I would hope all these people who believe it is God telling them that risking or sacrificing innocent people's lives and torturing and holding people prisoner who are suspected of being the ones you want to kill are wrong. Both sides are guilty of these things and both sides apparently have God on their sides. Maybe one day at the least we'll not have to hear our leaders' religious beliefs as the lambs are lead to slaughter. It'll never end until it does and it has nothing to DO with God. So keep him out of it please.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051006/ts_alt_afp/mideastbritainusiraq_051006214432

This is getting ridiculous. First off, a "mystical" entity is "allegedly" instructing him to launch a pre-emptive strike against a totally soveirgn nation, which never attacked us. I think W is confusing Satan for God.

yeah I read that article today as well.

It even sounds like the way Bush speaks.

We have an imbecile for a President. He believes torture is okay and that alone to me is enough to see him for what kind of person he is. There's just so much to be disgusted about with the federal government policy wise and he's a huge reason why. Four years after 9/11 and we see how much of a difference has been made to ensure the public an effective emergency plan in the event of a catestrophie or attack. This after a campaign with overtones of uncertainty and fear for another attack. There are still questions surrounding 9/11. I'd think at some point the public would wake up and realize that people surrounding the President were not effective in doing their jobs 4 years ago and the "new" faces and names this President endorses are in position to be a disservice to the people again. I wonder if God told him to ignore intelligence briefings too and told him not to be proactiv about the concerns of the previous administration and I wonder if he and his staff was told not to have an eye out for commercial planes that would strike buildings and key infrastructure in D.C. and New York. With all that is known and all that is still begging to be answered how can one plane hit the WTC and the others be allowed to continue to fly off course?


I'm sorry for the rambling on, but I hate President Bush. I wish we had someone else...you know a real leader...someone who will man up to a mistake...someone who won't let the people down. While I didn't like the Kerry nomination...I wish at one point he would have looked right into Bush's eyes in one of their debates and said "America couldn't count on him in Vietnam and it can't count on him today."

Ask yourselves if you want an incompetent coward of a President who runs a re-election campaign as though he hadn't just been President the last four years?

That is what I asked my classmates during the debates. He is a fear monger and what's worse is he's not well read and obviously is very arrogant about these things and more such as being an elitest who has no problem with torture or war. But some day this administration (maybe 10,20,30 years from now) will be found to have been the most insidious, incompetent, self interest/serving, underhanded, and corrupt regimes the U.S.A. has ever endured. To think this is only year one of the second term...Poverty has significantly increased...jobs are being outsourced in unprecedented numbers...gas prices are unbelievable...yet tax cuts are still a priority...let's help the poor in this country and look out for those who WORK and still can't get out of the financial situations they are in...why do we have a class of people in THIS country that WORK 40-50-60 hours a week and barely make it to the next month??? I'm sorry but with the top 1 percent of the 1 percent having been the only percentage to have really experienced a significant economic growth and the top 5% have experienced some while the bottom (yeah the "bottom") 95% under Bush has not it looks like the elite are getting richer and the middle class and lower class are being SQUEEEEZED. Makes you wonder how that happens...or why. Can't wait for the rising aristocracy to start telling the rest of us how many kids we can have...they already have long since been able to influence the outcome of elections not to mention what candidates are chosen...and what issues will be top priorities. The good thing about this government is that it is dynamic...flexible...but we need to hold our government to higher standards especially at the federal level.

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yeah I read that article today as well.

It even sounds like the way Bush speaks.

We have an imbecile for a President. He believes torture is okay and that alone to me is enough to see him for what kind of person he is. There's just so much to be disgusted about with the federal government policy wise and he's a huge reason why. Four years after 9/11 and we see how much of a difference has been made to ensure the public an effective emergency plan in the event of a catestrophie or attack. This after a campaign with overtones of uncertainty and fear for another attack. There are still questions surrounding 9/11. I'd think at some point the public would wake up and realize that people surrounding the President were not effective in doing their jobs 4 years ago and the "new" faces and names this President endorses are in position to be a disservice to the people again. I wonder if God told him to ignore intelligence briefings too and told him not to be proactiv about the concerns of the previous administration and I wonder if he and his staff was told not to have an eye out for commercial planes that would strike buildings and key infrastructure in D.C. and New York. With all that is known and all that is still begging to be answered how can one plane hit the WTC and the others be allowed to continue to fly off course?

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Amen I want8. I bet if a hurricane hit his ranch in Crawford, he would probably make FEMA pay to fix it first, **** everyone else. But yea, after 9/11, the majority of the public were scared and struck with "awe". Hence, they let Bush have his way. Everything was wrapped in red, white, and blue. Even the Patriot Act was passed with just 5 weeks "Debate" in Congress. They didn't want to seem like pussies, or soft on terrorism. Just like this "war" if you wanna call it that. The UN was important as long as they went along with it. The fact is, the UN was to "rubber-stamp" it,or else be irrelevant. Hence, W launched an Anglo-American invasion practically unilaterally.

I'm sorry for the rambling on, but I hate President Bush. I wish we had someone else...you know a real leader...someone who will man up to a mistake...someone who won't let the people down. While I didn't like the Kerry nomination...I wish at one point he would have looked right into Bush's eyes in one of their debates and said "America couldn't count on him in Vietnam and it can't count on him today."

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I really don't hate him, but I strongly dislike him,not to mention, his whole damn administration. I wish they would all dissapear. I actually liked Kerry, but I think his campaign was weak. But 51% isnot a mandate to radicalize this country to the extreme right.

Ask yourselves if you want an incompetent coward of a President who runs a re-election campaign as though he hadn't just been President the last four years?

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I sure don't. Bush is the American dream though. He is proof that any imbecile with a former Pres as father and hundreds of fat-cat, big-spending buddies can become President.

He is a fear monger

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Of course he is, and so is the media. Fear is what sells,and he very well knows this. If the Democrats can take back the Congress in 2006, you can almost bet that there could be impeacHydromaxent hearings talked about often.

I think the Dems will take back Congress in 06. They better not be satisfied with just cleaning house though. I think the government needs to have people who want to lead people to the best opportunities in life. to improve our welfare...and not have a one party system especially one that cares about tax cuts for the rich and whines about minimum wage increases. The people won't be able to stand on its own so we need to get rid of this mentality of having one small percentage of people having and eating all the cake, picking up the crumbs, waving the crumbs in the faces of all the others and then throwing them away. God probably tells him to say one thing and then do the opposite...it's nice that contractors OUTSIDE of the state of Louisiana are going to get the vast majority of the business for reconstruction of New Orleans...Man...and Halliburton where the fuck is the 9 billion dollars already? lol...It's funny we always hear Republicans bitching about how they deserve a tax cut, but we don't hear so much about Halliburton stealing our earned dollars...and the tax rate cut that Bush signed off on falls in line with everything else he does...HALF ASS and SHORT SIGHTED THINKING...the jobs are leaving the country...the wages aren't keeping up...people are working more hours...the dollar is doing horribly...our debt is still HUGE compared to what it was before the bastard got into office...another funny thing is how many people will argue that corporations should be able to make political contributions just like Penis EnlargementOPLE can...well if corporations are going to be considered Penis EnlargementOPLE then I think they should actually have to PAY TAXES...enough with corporate welfare already...fascism...fascism...fascism. One day we'll wake up with a corporate insignia branded on our foreheads and rise in the morning not to work for our living but to ensure production quotas are met. lol...it isn't that bad I know, but really our top level of government doesn't really want to think about the rest of us first. Human beings by nature tend to take care of their own. I'm not rich. My parents are rich. Quite a few of my relatives were born into poverty here and work two jobs...one family is on and off of welfare...most are too prideful...many of my cousins joined up the service...it's the same story all over but not at the top. I think it starts with knowledge...There is a NEED for major overhaul of the public education system and we could do it. The money is there even today available to appropriate it in the right places and there are people who KNOW how to do it. It'd take a good decade to get it all right, but right now the paying field isn't even and the only way to get it close is to educate and present opportunities. The more educated one is the more productive a citizen will become. Educated people are more likely to vote and be aware of the current and rising problems in the country. Crooked self serving government...not a good thing to have. There's always going to be corruption in the government, but when there's THIS many something needs to be done. Personally, I think Delay needs to go...Frist needs to be gone not just for the likely crime he committed but with his history with Medicaid...Rove needs to be axed...and man Bob Taft...after years of wanting to see him go down all they can find is that he stole money...man he and Tom Noe will get their's...hopefully...it's funny how many 2004 election campaigns for republicans particularly Bush are being noticed NOW for probable money laundering.

Here's just a tiny smidget of Tom Noe and Bob Taft connections... http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0508/S00269.htm

Geez guys, open your fucking eyes for just a brief period. You are reading and believing shit that has no basis in fact. Try some other sources for your information.

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Bib said:

Geez guys, open your fucking eyes for just a brief period. You are reading and believing shit that has no basis in fact. Try some other sources for your information.

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Other sources? O like Bill O'Reily, Insannity & Combs, or your buddy Rush? It's not like Bush doesnt have a history of this kind of thing, Bush had previously stated that he felt like God had picked him to be Governor of Texas and then the President. I think he gets a kick out of it personally, either that or he is definetly a fanatic.

My sources are first hand in some cases particularly on the Noe, Taft shit...lol

The Palestinians have had a reputation for years of saying one thing in English and another thing in Arabic. I wouldn't trust that source at all.