Anyone familar with Mesotherapy (aka, liposuction without surgery)

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I'm fairly fit (approx 16% bodyfat), and while im on a cutting phase right now I have always had a substantial fat pad for my size. Currently its 1.2", at best (12%) it was just under 1". I have seen adds for Mesotherapy, even seen it mentioned here. Anyone have any experience? It would be great to add 1/2" of nbp for a couple hundred dollars.
 
penguinsfan said:
How the hell does this work? I can't imagine it.

Supposedly through injections at numerous spots along the problem area, the medication is supposed to break down the fat for re-absorbption. From some of the reviews i've seen after doing more digging there are alot of mixed results.

Just wondering if anyone has first hand experience.
 
Any links on this treatment, I would love to read any information as I have never heard of this.
 
I could hazzard a guess that it's similar to lipotransportive creams containing caffeine, yohimbine, and theophylline (etc). They can help one to spot-reduce, but what they really do is liberate fat to serum transport. If you're just sitting around on your butt it wont do much. You have to go do something to burn it once it's loose running around.

here's a random product page for such a thing ....

----- should be applied by rubbing an amount the size of a quarter directly into the surface of the skin where stubborn body fat exists. Apply -----to your glutes, abs, thighs, biceps and triceps - preferably 30 minutes prior to exercise. You may apply ----- more than once per day if needed. Just prior to bed you may apply another dose of ----- to a different area or the same area you wish to work on.

The best way to use ----- is to apply it to one or two areas at a time. ------ literally releases stored fat into the blood stream so it will be very tough to burn the released fat as energy if the --- is too widely applied. It usually takes about ten to twelve days of use to see desired results, but you should see a noticeable difference literally overnight.

NOTE: In order to properly lose body fat, you simply must be taking in less calories than you burn off. -----is designed to help release the fat as fatty acids into the bloodstream to be used as energy when applied to areas that are problematic for many people. Without a proper diet, -----will not yield its optimum effects, since the body will not be in a fat-burning mode.

And here's a wiki entry for meso --

Mesotherapy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mesotherapy (from Greek mesos, "middle", and therapy from Greek therapeia, "to treat medically") is an alternative medicine treatment intended to stimulate the repair of the tissues called by its exponents the "mesoderm", including the skin, connective tissue, and adipose tissue. It involves the injection of chemicals, vitamins, and other random products into the "mesoderm" (fat), just under the skin, to treat various ailments specially in subcutaneous fat to allegedly reduce the fat or improve cellulite.

Mesotherapy is part of a branch of medicine called homotoxicology which is purported to encourage the body to stimulate its own healing processes in order to cure ailments. It can be used for painful as well as general medical conditions. This non-scientific procedure originated in France, and is now promoted by some practitioners in the United States. Mesotherapy concerns include bruising, allergic reactions, liver damage, atrophy (loss of tissue volume) and infection.

Despite criticism, mesotherapy is popular in the United States and still one of the most requested non surgical cosmetic procedures[citation needed]. Physicians specializing in non-surgical cosmetic medicine or operating medical spas are the most common practioners.

History

Dr. Michel Pistor (1924-2003) is credited with both the creation and promotion of mesotherapy in human subjects, first in Europe and then in North America starting in the 1950s. Europe and South America initially embraced the use of Mesotherapy and about 50,000 practitioners provide mesotherapy treatments.
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Criticism

Physicians in North America are concerned about the efficacy and safety of mesotherapy, arguing that a lack of scientific study makes mesotherapy a fad with potentially dangerous side effects. "There is simply no data, no science and no information, to my knowledge, that mesotherapy works," according to Rod Rohrich, M.D., Chairman, Dept. of Plastic Surgery, University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas. Dr. Robin Ashinoff, speaking for the American Academy of Dermatology, says "A simple injection is giving people false hope. Everybody's looking for a quick fix. But there is no quick fix for fat or fat deposits or for cellulite." The American Society for Dermatologic Surgeryinformed its members in February 2005 that "further study is warranted before this technique can be endorsed." It is currently banned in a number of South American countries.

They don't sound like the same thing at all.

Since the body tends to buffer toxins by putting fat around them, it couldn't really be random things as described above. Something that could make a difference is injection of potasium or sodium fluids... activating the body's 'sodium pump' to regain equlibrium between the two.

Critics say mesotherapy offers slim chance
By Maria Puente, USA TODAY
Call it "hope in a needle." Mesotherapy, the latest fat-melting fad, is a half-century-old technique from France that involves hundreds of injections and is touted as an alternative to liposuction.

"It's more than hope in a bottle," says Marion Shapiro, a retired emergency room doctor in New York who has started a new career as a "mesotherapist," injecting people with a cocktail of plant extracts, vitamins and medications (such as a drug for treating astHydromaxa). The concoction is supposed to stimulate fat cells to shed fat.

"Our results are not surgical, there are fewer complications and less downtime, and that's why mesotherapy is going to become more popular than liposuction," Shapiro says.

It's called mesotherapy because the injections go under the skin and are absorbed by the mesodermal, or middle, layer. Then, you're supposed to shed weight the same way you do when you diet and exercise, excreting fat in waste. But you can still regain the weight.

Singer Roberta Flack is the most famous celebrity to endorse the procedure. She told ABC's 20/20 last year that she lost 40 pounds after a year of treatment, although she also dieted and exercised.

Mesotherapy was developed in France in 1952 and has long been popular with the European rich and famous. But it never caught on in the USA, where medical skepticism about its efficacy and safety is widespread. Among other concerns, some of the drugs involved are intended to treat something entirely different.

Flack's doctor, Lionel Bissoon, learned the specialty in France five years ago and is now the leading advocate here. He says the procedure can be used as a delivery system for more than fighting fat. "We can treat migraine headaches, back pain, constipation, sports-medicine injuries, arthritis."

But many dermatologists and plastic surgeons are alarmed about the growing profile of mesotherapy. "No one says exactly what they put into the (syringe)," says Naomi Lawrence, a derma-surgeon at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey. "One drug they often use, phosphatidylcholin, is unpredictable and causes extreme inflammation and swelling where injected. It is not a benign drug."

Even Brazil, which is less strict than the USA in drug approvals, has banned the drug for these purposes.

If there were studies that proved to dermatologists that this procedure works, "we'd all be using it," she says. "If we had something that could (really) melt fat away, it'd be great."

But Bissoon cites a 1994-95 study on "topical fat reduction" by UCLA researchers that concluded women who had the injections did lose weight even without diet or exercise. Shapiro says 95% of the 1,000 patients she has treated in the past six months have responded to the therapy, and 85% are happy with the results.

"About 100 people a year die of liposuction," Bissoon says. "We have had no deaths, no strokes, no heart attacks. The biggest side effect is bruising."

Mesotherapy is not cheap: Each session costs an average of $500, and 10 to 15 sessions are recommended, for a total price tag similar to liposuction.

They mention the astHydromaxa drug aminophylline, .. that's a form of theophylline.

They also mention phosphatidylcholine, a fat-soluble phosphorous compound and neurotransmitter ... empowers cyclic adenosine monophosphate actions - which upregulates glucagon availability and blunts insulin spikes (so there's less insulin flying around trying to store fat), and it depresses cortisol, which is also a fat-storing cascade.

Hmmm, ... they've sold me. Not that I'll buy it, - but I can see how it might work.

ps ... 12% is fairly fit, ( or 10) -- not 16. Actually I'd call 12% chunky. (Cause that's what I'm at right now, and I'm too frikkin chunky.) LMAO


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Thank you Asanon, that was awesome! This is some interesting stuff. I was amazed when I decided to create and stick to my diet as the very first place I lost weight was at my fat pad. This blew my mind because I really believed it would be the last place. I think it had allot to do with my fasting methods (G.I./metabolism, etc.) and the way I structured my exercise. My methods are definitely cheaper but there may be people who just can't lose the fat pad and this seems, on first read, to be a interesting resource for research.
 
As someone said earlier, some chemical are injected locally that promote the breakdown of fat molecules so they can be ejected by urine and sweat. This does in fact work BUT...the infamous but again, you will have to maintain a diet in order for it not to come back. If you think you get rid of the fat forever you will be sorely sorry you spent the money if you do not enter a maintenance calorie diet.

Works but you have to then maintain it or do the same as the rich ladies are doing, eating everything in sight and then getting injected dozens of times again and again for many sessions ( expensive ones ).


Just browse any beach or resort swimming areas and try to find round black and blue bruises on many girls legs, thighs and abdomens. Those are mesotherapy injection sites that bruise like that.

P.s. more and more bodybuilders are doing it so that is how i know.

Peace,

Mike
 
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