A girl that I thought was a woman turns out to be transgendered...

Crazy Doc;444584 said:

Exactly-and if he acts like that, he's a selfish guy not considering anyone's feelings. If she behaves herself with proper ethics, I WOULD say "she". I've had TV friends before, not really a big deal-frankly usually pretty easy to spot. I will admit I saw a TS on Jerry Springer once that made me realize one COULD be fooled, even the voice was very feminine/real... and I was indeed attracted on a purely physical level.

The issue here is ETHICS, that is, what zulu said: DISCLOSURE. No different than anything else. I know all about disclosure, I sell real estate. We don't wait until a few days before closing to tell them the house was on fire and has walls full of mold from the firehose-no we tell them UP FRONT when they walk in the house.

As I said, to me the appropriate time would be once an actual date was set or plans to "go back to her place" etc. At that point she should tell you, and if she doesn't, she's just a selfish HE.

Clear yet????

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That is just being derogatory. Oh I dont like how this black person is acting so Im going to call them a nigger. or a gay person pissed me off so they are a fag. or a woman is a bitch. or anything like it that someone who it is personal to like me is inappropriate! ARE WE CLEAR? besides RedZulu just referred to me as a "he" so should I assume he is thinking he is pissed off at me?

You think every comment is about something you say Doc and I skip over most of what you read anyway. You think its ok to degrade someone because you dislike an action they did- THAT IS IMMATURE. Its calling names simple as that. I call people jerks and motherfuckers but to point out someones difference like an overweight person and get mad and start calling them fat and shit...trying to make a pointless point to you though.

This trans woman never showed up to keeps house, never even said she wasnt a T. he read the profile wrong and caught her ON THE PHONE. so what is this all about the lies?

If a real girl says to you "Im a girl" and you say "no your a boy" damn well sure you get slapped. why do you think? its offensive. Same difference and you are just being rude sincerely. Besides Im done with it. I could care less. Why are you even fighting about it. Are you trying to understand what its like to be a tranny OR are you trying to be a know it all or smart ass

Turnover;444587 said:

That is just being derogatory. Oh I dont like how this black person is acting so Im going to call them a nigger. or a gay person pissed me off so they are a fag. or a woman is a bitch. or anything like it that someone who it is personal to like me is inappropriate! ARE WE CLEAR? You think every comment is about something you say Doc and I skip over most of what you read anyway. You think its ok to degrade someone because you dislike an action they did- THAT IS IMMATURE. Its calling names simple as that. I call people jerks and motherfuckers but to point out someones difference like an overweight person and get mad and start calling them fat and shit...trying to make a pointless point to you though.

This trans woman never showed up to keeps house, never even said she wasnt a T. he read the profile wrong and caught her ON THE PHONE. so what is this all about the lies?

If a real girl says to you "Im a girl" and you say "no your a boy" damn well sure you get slapped. why do you think? its offensive. Same difference and you are just being rude sincerely. Besides Im done with it. I could care less. Why are you even fighting about it. Are you trying to understand what its like to be a tranny OR are you trying to be a know it all or smart ass

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I disagree-this case is not the same and it's a poor comparison: The reason I am NOT attracted is because she WAS a he, and still is to some degree-you can't ever truly become a female, not from my point of view. Of course your wild mood swings are making me doubt that claim (that was a joke... dont get riled up

So when SHE reveals at an inappropriate time that she WAS a he-well that IS how I'm going to see her, why I'm going to lose attraction so it's quite appropriate in THAT situation that she becomes a HE by HER own accord-not mine. She could have been upfront and never lost her "she" status.

It's not out of anger-it's out of their choice to trick me into thinking they are female, not TS/TV-at which point I have no choice, sexually to see her as a he.

Is it possible you know more than anyone on the forum about TS, but perhaps the least about this situation as you'd NEVER be on the other side of it, would you. I've never said the word, "Nigger" in anger. Only when quoting someone else who said it derogatory or in a movie, etc... I'm all about equality, but again turnover, this person is an asshole for trying to trick guys into bed, an ASSHOLE. That doesn't make me shallow or discriminatory-it makes that person an ASSHOLE.

MAXAMEYES;444523 said:

Sorry, if he still produces sperm, he's still a man. That's just biology.
That's the very definition of male.

We can take on whatever outward appearance we choose and assume whatever label we choose, but facts are still facts.

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Fuck it while im on the subject

the definition of Pluto was a planet. until they discovered that there were actually lots and lots of little planets just like Pluto floating around in the galaxy right around it. Instead changing the definition of Pluto they started naming these other rocks as planets until they decided that they can not name something the size of California a planet...so i forget what they call these types of planets now but it was a national crisis and its called a different definition.http://science.howstuffworks.com/pluto-planet.htm

fuck im sory about the typos and wrong typing and Im too tired to look up anymore. I had a rough week. its not over

Ah and youre the one being self centered-this thread is NOT about "being a tranny" it's about being TRICKED BY a TRANNY.... so YOU are the one making things about you that have nothing to do with you. And they sure as hell dont have anything to do with hating for the sake of hating, or gaybashing, or trannybashing. It's about TRICKING people.

You're blind, so it's worthless-but one last example anyway:

I meet a guy, hang out with him, become friends-then he reveals he's gay say a month into it, or perhaps 4 hours into a private conversation. No big deal-there were no sexual implications here, no reason for him EVER to reveal it to me, cuz I wasn't coming onto him thinking he was a girl, etc..... NO harm here if he tells or does not tell, and I agree I'd be a total ass to use it against him in an unrelated argument-calling him a "faggot" etc.

BUT, this is NOT the case turnover-so quit pretending it is. In our case, I meet a girl, same scenario, start flirting, and giving compliments and we might even start petting.... say for an hour or two, I'm OBVIOUSLY under a false pretense that she is female... yet she never tells. Maybe I don't want to flirt or pet with a guy who became a girl-is that my right? This person doesnt think so-or he'd tell me upfront in case I dont like the idea sexually of a TS or TV. Should I have to figure it out when I pet his cock, thinking it was a pussy? No, and now he has led me to think he is a woman-when he isnt, hes a guy who changed his sex-which is NOT the same, not to me and I doubt others would disagree. I dont want my lady to fuck me up the ass with a strap on either-doesnt mean I hate gays, it means I dont like to be fucked up the ass. And i DONT want to pet a guy, or a person who was EVER a guy-and thats my fucking choice.

He steals that choice.... and instead tricks me into thinking in a sexual way that he is a she-well, now hes brought gender into a very important realm, hes going to the show by sneaking in, not buying a ticket. So now, by HIS choice I see him as a HE, because sexually I was thinking "SHE" and he yells 'surprise' at the last minute. thats fucked up, and i have no choice but to now forever see that person as "that guy that tried to trick me into thinking he was a girl".

Had we just been friends, I'd see it as "she", just as an "unattractive she" cuz she never tricked me.... It aint clear because youre only thinking from YOUR point of view, not my problem.

We have rights too turnover-maybe youre too self absorbed to see that.

Turnover wrote: One well known FACT of being trans is you NEVER get in a car or go home with a guy without telling them what you are. That should be in your first few minutes of convo Especially if sex is going to be expected. 2nd of all, there is no ratio of 9/10 that a guy will say oops were sorry we didnt know you were like me down there.

So see-we AGREE, you just dont know what that would feel like on OUR side-so quit telling me im ignorant. I dont know shit about trannies as far as how they feel, etc. I DO know how this would feel as I'm like the OP-YOU DONT, so consider YOUR ignorance on that side of it, and spend a little more time listening to that side that YOU are ignorant about.

In the "what its like to be tranny" thread, I'll shut the fuck up and listen to you. This thread isnt about you, its about being tricked by a tranny who DIDNT follow your unspoken rule.

K I think I've been clear but now I understand some of YOUR confusion (due to my bad memory)-I read the original post yesterday and forgot he "didnt read the profile", so I assume she did follow the rule. So I take back the "he" and the "asshole"-assuming it was in the profile-she did disclose. My arguments are all valid, just misplaced, so sorry for my confusion.

But I also think this was pretty clear by my arguments and imagine you still disagree, the arguments stand. But not my accusations toward the tranny in question, the OP was just a bonehead lol.
Gotta read the profile bud.

I've had this happen a lot and now I gotta say I sympathize with the tranny-it's pretty annoying when someone starts talking to you and THEY do so under false pretenses because they are illiterate or too lazy to read-I just ran into this on craigslist. Guy is trying to hook his girl up with other girls so he can watch. Our ad said in several places "US" "MFF", etc. and it was only like 2 sentences-so what a lazy fuck,.. so she and he wasted an hour of my time just to find out he didnt read my ad.

So again-my apologies to the tranny in question, but not to the etheral trannies who "break the rule"-that argument stands firm on reason and basic ethics.