Would you share your girl?

kong1971 said:
I am a highly sexual person so keep that in mind when you read my opinions on things. I always have been and always will be, I suppose.

I don't have any problems with the way the kids believe. Swinging is not for just anyone, but like anything else, it is just a sexual practice, and is no more right or wrong than masturbating while married or viewing adult entertainment-- seeking gratification beyond the mate. I only am trying to caution them about this "true love forever" thing they keep going on about. That, to me, leads to breaking up and, if married, divorce, more often than anything else. The feelings they have are common. Everyone feels that way towards their new romance. Unfortunately, that feeling fades after awhile, and reality sets in. She doesn't get up early to put her face on before he gets up. He starts farting and scratching his balls in front of her. The little princess and the knight in shining armor turn into plain ole him and her. Considering how hig divorce rates are, I believe that this is normally when people think, I don't love you anymore, and break up, moving on to the next person to get that thrill of "fairy tale love", thinking it's going to last forever next time, if they can just find Mr. or Mrs. Right. I just want them to know that it's never ever ever going to last and that if they plan to stay together, they have to learn about "real love". There's no rainbows and butterflies. It's kind of plain and sweet and simple. It's about being friends and trying to make each other happy and support one another and accepting the ugliness that we keep hidden from each other the first 7 or 8 years of marriage.

It may sound like I'm trying to burst your bubble or be cynical, but I am very happily married and have been with my mate 11 years now and still going strong.

Think I'm wrong? Come back and tell me that in 10 years, after you've been through the dirty diapers, and the crushes, and temptations, seeing your mate crap and bleed and be stupid and fart, gain weight, lose weight. Come back and tell me after the past lover confessions and the secret fantasy confessions and the flus and colds and diarheas. The fights, the bad fucks, the family squabbles...

True love doesn't wear blinders, it's eyes wide open seeing everything...and still loving them anyway.
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Oh, no...I'm not talking about the unrealisitc true love. Love is enduring a life with someone with the flaws the good times and bad I understand that. You just pointed out what love is, but not very many people would be able to handle even the suggestion of swinging after years of marriage. What I was saying is that there is nothing wrong with or unrealistic about wanting to make love to one person for the rest of your life and not ever thinking about (fantasies are what keep us going...they aren't wrong) and I mean seriously thinking about having an affair or bringing another person into the bedroom.
 
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I agree with you, that's why the swinger lifestyle isn't mainstream. It's definitely not for everyone... it requires a certain mindset. Both people in a committed relationship MUST be on the same page about it, if only one is then it just won't work and will only serve to cause damage to their relationship.
 
kong1971 said:
I only am trying to caution them about this "true love forever" thing they keep going on about. That, to me, leads to breaking up and, if married, divorce, more often than anything else. The feelings they have are common. Everyone feels that way towards their new romance. Unfortunately, that feeling fades after awhile, and reality sets in. She doesn't get up early to put her face on before he gets up. He starts farting and scratching his balls in front of her. The little princess and the knight in shining armor turn into plain ole him and her. Considering how hig divorce rates are, I believe that this is normally when people think, I don't love you anymore, and break up, moving on to the next person to get that thrill of "fairy tale love", thinking it's going to last forever next time, if they can just find Mr. or Mrs. Right. I just want them to know that it's never ever ever going to last and that if they plan to stay together, they have to learn about "real love". There's no rainbows and butterflies. It's kind of plain and sweet and simple. It's about being friends and trying to make each other happy and support one another and accepting the ugliness that we keep hidden from each other the first 7 or 8 years of marriage.

Think I'm wrong? Come back and tell me that in 10 years, after you've been through the dirty diapers, and the crushes, and temptations, seeing your mate crap and bleed and be stupid and fart, gain weight, lose weight. Come back and tell me after the past lover confessions and the secret fantasy confessions and the flus and colds and diarheas. The fights, the bad fucks, the family squabbles...

True love doesn't wear blinders, it's eyes wide open seeing everything...and still loving them anyway.
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everything you said is common sense about love... I don't know what kind of love you figured me and stuff_ were talking about if you think we don't know all that already o_O.

Plus we've already been through the "past love confessions"..and we've discussed people that we used to have crushes on in school, and so many other things.. we've even gone into telling each other things that we don't/didn't like about the other... all within a year. It seems strange that it would take people several years of marriage to reach that "stage". It isn't a stage, it's the way you're supposed to be with someone you truely love at all times... open and honest.

Divorces and break up happen with lust... two people meet each other and they lust madly for each other... wanting to be together because they like the way the other looks or they touch them in all the right places or various other reasons.... and they convince themselves they're in love because everyone wants to find love... but rather than actually trying to realize it.. they just convince themselves they already have it.

There is nothing fairy tale about wanting to be with only one person the rest of your life... wanting to be with no one else but the one you love. The feeling that no one could satisfy you or make you as happy as your love does is not fairy tale.
 
you would think that it would be somethin that any guy would be into but nope. in the past i have thought about bein with two women, but not with someone i really love. now that i have kittie i'm not even thinking about that type of stuff. i couldn't share her with another girl and ESPenis EnlargementCIALLY another dude. i would chop his dick off and ram it up his ass. nah i wouldn't do that because i wouldn't be in that situation to begin with. i love her too much to actually do that, i don't feel secure enough to let that happen. to me, sex is too emotionally connecting. even when kittie and i are just fucking to get off..there is still a closeness. to me that closeness is a key part in the relationship. i'm a very very sexual person and i can't seem to separate sex from emotions. to see her with another guy would wreck me because that connection would be her with someone else. or not just a guy but another girl too.
 
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...Plus we've already been through the "past love confessions"..and we've discussed people that we used to have crushes on in school, and so many other things.. we've even gone into telling each other things that we don't/didn't like about the other... all within a year. It seems strange that it would take people several years of marriage to reach that "stage". It isn't a stage, it's the way you're supposed to be with someone you truely love at all times... open and honest.
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Bro, i'm sorry to tell you but you're still in the bliss stage. You haven't even experienced love yet... In another year or two, you will get to a point where you will get to know who she really is and after year five or so, you get to a point of complacency, then after a few more years, you become indifferent. Then you get to a point where you two just can't be in the same room without getting in some argument or fight. Then you begin to go with the flow just to avoid a fight. Then if you stick it through long enough, you fall in love. You come to find that if she's willing to stick around even after everything that's happened, she is truelly special. You grow to love her for her faults, not in spite of them. Then you come to the realization that you can't imagine spending one day without her. You will find that she has actually become more than a friend and more than your lover, you will find that she is your other (better) half.

Divorces and break up happen with lust... two people meet each other and they lust madly for each other... wanting to be together because they like the way the other looks or they touch them in all the right places or various other reasons.... and they convince themselves they're in love because everyone wants to find love... but rather than actually trying to realize it.. they just convince themselves they already have it.
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I agree, but breakups also happen all throughout the love process. It's always easier to walk away than to work at something when the going get tough. Most people think that the bliss of lust is actually love (typically the first two years), they are mistaken. Real love doesn't happen until you two have walked thru fire together. The unfortunate part is that as the fires of lust dissipates, people think that they've fallen out of love. They don't realize that this is god's or cupid's sick joke on us mortals.

There is nothing fairy tale about wanting to be with only one person the rest of your life... wanting to be with no one else but the one you love. The feeling that no one could satisfy you or make you as happy as your love does is not fairy tale.
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What you're describing IS Fairy tale. Fairy tales are great, but everyone only sees the happy beginning and the happily ever after part. No one ever talks about the important parts in the middle. The part that actually takes hard work to lay the groundwork so that you can live happily ever after. you may think you know about relationship and love, but take from someone who's walked the talk, you don't have a clue... yet.
 
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samzman said:
you would think that it would be somethin that any guy would be into but nope. in the past i have thought about bein with two women, but not with someone i really love. now that i have kittie i'm not even thinking about that type of stuff. i couldn't share her with another girl and ESPenis EnlargementCIALLY another dude. i would chop his dick off and ram it up his ass. nah i wouldn't do that because i wouldn't be in that situation to begin with. i love her too much to actually do that, i don't feel secure enough to let that happen. to me, sex is too emotionally connecting. even when kittie and i are just fucking to get off..there is still a closeness. to me that closeness is a key part in the relationship. i'm a very very sexual person and i can't seem to separate sex from emotions. to see her with another guy would wreck me because that connection would be her with someone else. or not just a guy but another girl too.
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That's a very honest answer... much appreciated. I hear you and totally understand your position bro.
 
I don't think I could ever do it. I had enough troubles knowing what I knew about my ex's ex-boyfriends, without having to see it, or know that it happened while we were together.

I guess for me it just boils down to knowing that someone else, another man, is getting sexually pleasured by my girlfriend/wife. And, she is being pleasured by him...hopefully not moreso than with me. I would personally probably always have doubts about whether or not she really wanted to be with me more than another person from that point on. I just don't think I could do it. I respect others' right to do so, but I just couldn't do it.

samzman said:
you would think that it would be somethin that any guy would be into but nope. in the past i have thought about bein with two women, but not with someone i really love. now that i have kittie i'm not even thinking about that type of stuff. i couldn't share her with another girl and ESPenis EnlargementCIALLY another dude. i would chop his dick off and ram it up his ass. nah i wouldn't do that because i wouldn't be in that situation to begin with. i love her too much to actually do that, i don't feel secure enough to let that happen. to me, sex is too emotionally connecting. even when kittie and i are just fucking to get off..there is still a closeness. to me that closeness is a key part in the relationship. i'm a very very sexual person and i can't seem to separate sex from emotions. to see her with another guy would wreck me because that connection would be her with someone else. or not just a guy but another girl too.
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Thats well put, and exactly how I feel. Just like you said, you'd think as a guy you would want to be with other girls as well, but when I'm with someone, I wouldn't ever feel right about being with another person. Sure that sounds stupid to some, but its not about the physical act itself, its about the mental side that would bother me. Thats why it really doesn't matter to me if a girl cheats by just kissing someone else, or by sleeping with them. In both cases she still chose to cheat...made a conscious decision to do so. Thats kind of a different issue, but is related in my mind.
 
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sikdogg, I don't think they get it. I don't think they can get it right now. They thought I was talking about high school crushes, for Pete's sake! :D I was talking about crushes during the relationship! It happens. My wife got a crush on our car mechanic. I knew it. It cost me alot of money in car repairs, ha-ha. I also teased her ruthlessly about it. Did she do him? Nope. She loves me. Was I jealous? Yes. But you hash things out. I had a crush on a co-worker. Did I do her? Nope. Did my wife find out? Yeah, I told her. She was jealous, but also glad that I confided in her and trusted me that I loved her enough to resist temptation. Does this mean that our love is somehow flawed or "not true love"? Is your love stronger than ours, or have you just not been together long enough to face temptation? I think it's sweet that you talked about old boyfriends and girlfriends and told each other how you don't like some things about each other. It's a good start. It might help get your prepared for when you find out the real dirty laundry! I'm talking things like the guy you didn't know she lived with before you because she never quite got over him and was afraid to tell you about him, and who got molested, and who really slept with more women than he let on at first, and even had a threesome. Before you look down your nose at those things, we're also talking about the guy who sat next to her hospital bed for two days straight crying and praying when she almost died from post-toxemia, and the woman who went against her parent's wishes to marry a skinny kid with no money and nothing to give her but his heart. We're talking about the guy who works night and day to make sure there's enough money to pay the bills, and the woman who makes sure they're paid. Before anyone else goes on about true love, I think you ought to lay your shit on the table and tell us how long you've been together and what your current level of commitment is. There's a big difference between boyfriend/girlfriend and husband/wife...and 10+ years vesus 10+ months!
 
I'm perfectly aware that you weren't talking about high school, but it's already been established that we are younger than you and sikdogg... commenting on the high school crushes was just an example of our discussions.

You and sikdogg also seem to assume that because it takes most people years to reveal all things to their lover that it would take us that amount of time as well... but as I told sikdogg earlier... no matter how many times you prove the case for most, it still doesn't mean all. Not all people begin the first few years of their relationship fueled on lust alone then after coming to grips with reality learn to love their partner.... and then after so many years resort back to being fueled with lust to make the relationship seem "fresh".

I have already accepted the fact that no matter what I say you will always just stick your fingers in your ears and say "I'm older than you so I know more".. but I will continue to say what I believe because no matter how much you say it is false and fairy tale, I still believe it to be true... if that makes me immature, I have already told you that I will remain that way, then. And I believe I have already said how long we've been together, but since you missed it, I'll once again say it's been a year.

And being married for years doesn't prove love... my own parents are a case of this. They've been married for over 20 years and still don't love each other.. they have grown used to being around each other and dependent on the other being there because it's what they are accustomed to. My mother even cheated on my father and they stayed together.. not because of love, but because she had no where else to go and she didn't want to leave her children behind... she had to do that once before in a previous marriage. And my dad used to treat her like shit and ignore me and my siblings.. and spending money on things he wanted instead of things we needed.. some would consider it love to have stayed together through these things, but my own mother will admit that it wasn't love, but nessesity.

And even now she thinks at times that he is off having sex with another woman, but she doesn't care. It's not because they have "matured beyond petty jealousy and insecurity"... it's because they really don't care. There is no love between them and that is why it wouldn't bother them.
 
Don't bother with them. You know, there's that little love gland in our brains, and even though it's just a simple emotion like any other, we haven't developed the ability to distinguish what is love and what isn't, let alone be capable of feeling love.

I mean, I know it's just like anger, or sadness, or any other emotion in the sense that we feel it, and it still affects our behavior and how it drives us, but you know, it's LOVE. I mean WHOA!!

It takes time. You need to wait until you get older and get a JOB and pay taxes and all that amazing stuff that we only see in the movies, even though it has nothing to do with your ability to feel and be human. I'm right, you know.

You're degrading their ideals of love, and they feel offended, which is completely understandable. So, they're going to subtly and inconspicuously belittle you and your opinions. Why? Well, because they're older than you and are obviously more 'experienced', of course. Assuming that experienced means "Experienced in every single subject and aspect to life," I can safely say they're pros at what they do. You type a report and sit in a cubicle, and you've just been slapped with the knowledge stick. By enduring the bitching from your boss, you've finally acquired the ability to love, and to recognize love.

It takes a suit, 2 digits (the left being atleast 2), and an old mommy to know what love is.
 
Get a young Keanue Reeves to say that in a movie and it would be perfect. I mean-- whoa! That's so far out!

You guys sound like my kids and their friends. Talking on their cell phones, coming up with grand ideas like they invented them, and thinking we don't know what we're talking about because then you would have to believe it.

Sorry if you wanted chocolate ice cream and all I gave you was crackers.

Get over it.

Mommy and Daddy ain't perfect, and they don't have all the answers, but what they do have is a lot of "been there, done that".
 
kong1971 said:
sikdogg, I don't think they get it. I don't think they can get it right now. They thought I was talking about high school crushes, for Pete's sake! :D I was talking about crushes during the relationship! It happens. My wife got a crush on our car mechanic. I knew it. It cost me alot of money in car repairs, ha-ha. I also teased her ruthlessly about it. Did she do him? Nope. She loves me. Was I jealous? Yes. But you hash things out. I had a crush on a co-worker. Did I do her? Nope. Did my wife find out? Yeah, I told her. She was jealous, but also glad that I confided in her and trusted me that I loved her enough to resist temptation. Does this mean that our love is somehow flawed or "not true love"? Is your love stronger than ours, or have you just not been together long enough to face temptation? I think it's sweet that you talked about old boyfriends and girlfriends and told each other how you don't like some things about each other. It's a good start. It might help get your prepared for when you find out the real dirty laundry! I'm talking things like the guy you didn't know she lived with before you because she never quite got over him and was afraid to tell you about him, and who got molested, and who really slept with more women than he let on at first, and even had a threesome. Before you look down your nose at those things, we're also talking about the guy who sat next to her hospital bed for two days straight crying and praying when she almost died from post-toxemia, and the woman who went against her parent's wishes to marry a skinny kid with no money and nothing to give her but his heart. We're talking about the guy who works night and day to make sure there's enough money to pay the bills, and the woman who makes sure they're paid. Before anyone else goes on about true love, I think you ought to lay your shit on the table and tell us how long you've been together and what your current level of commitment is. There's a big difference between boyfriend/girlfriend and husband/wife...and 10+ years vesus 10+ months!
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kittie an i have been together for almost 3 years now and it was quite a long three years. we faced racism problems, people trying to sabatoge the relationship...be it people mostly wanting to screw one of us individually or together, plus depression, health and hospital trips.....other such things. it wasn't all sunny days and rainbows. but the love is still there like the first day we actually fell for eachother. we don't live together yet, but that might come soon with the fact that i'm going to have to spend about another 3 semesters here at school and i don't think i can afford dorming any more after the 4 years here. we're there for eachother and i see this as much more than a highschool POS. true we met in highschool, but it is much more than that shit now. i'm sure there are things that are gonna come up (things already have) but we seem to work through it. i'm not planning to go anywhere anytime soon :D

so on this end, nope. no HS shit here :D

didn't mean this as a defensive or offensive post, just relaying off of it.
 
I can visualize the position you guys are talking about. It'd be a lot like watching a adult entertainment, just with someone you know. You'd look at your girl with another guy and say "Hey look at that, she's talented" or "Damn she's hot", and not really be looking at her as 'your girl'. I can see that, and could see how it would be an exciting and arousing experience.

I can visualize it, but to be honest I just don't think I could do it. I understand where people are coming from when they describe how it is a great sexual experience for them. Maybe I'm just not 'experienced' enough to feel that way myself, but to be honest, I don't think I ever will feel that way. I watched my girlfriend kiss another guy right in front of me, and it literally turned my stomach. Maybe it was because it was unexpected, but from that feeling alone I know it would be too hard for me.
 
Once you have been in a relationship 3 years or longer, you begin to realize what these guys are talking about (sik and Kong). When I was with my girlfriend, the first ~ 2 years were amazing, not too much fighting, etc. Now that we are past this phase, the chemical in our brain has been depleted (Penis EnlargementA), and it takes much more work to stay together. Penis EnlargementA (phenyl ethyl amine) causes these feelings of lust and blind emotion.
 
User_Name said:
You and sikdogg also seem to assume that because it takes most people years to reveal all things to their lover that it would take us that amount of time as well... but as I told sikdogg earlier... no matter how many times you prove the case for most, it still doesn't mean all. Not all people begin the first few years of their relationship fueled on lust alone then after coming to grips with reality learn to love their partner.... and then after so many years resort back to being fueled with lust to make the relationship seem "fresh".
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You're right, i was speaking in general and prolly over-generalized. There's always exceptions to every rule. You may or may not be an exception, i don't really know.

I do however believe that people do in fact start off the first year or two with lust. That is the driving force that initially binds us to one another such that we feel we can't get enopugh of each other. Over time this feeling dissipates and what's left is the beginnings of love. I don't believe that (generally speaking) we fall in love at first sight. We lust at first sight and then develop love over time.

I have already accepted the fact that no matter what I say you will always just stick your fingers in your ears and say "I'm older than you so I know more".. but I will continue to say what I believe because no matter how much you say it is false and fairy tale, I still believe it to be true... if that makes me immature, I have already told you that I will remain that way, then. And I believe I have already said how long we've been together, but since you missed it, I'll once again say it's been a year.
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I did not intend to scord you and tell you "I'm older than you so I know more", i'm just relaying what i've found to be true. I'm not the emotional type but i've been with other women in the past and thought "this is the one", only to find after some time that she wasn't. I always found my way back to the woman who eventually became my wife. If you've found your miss-right early in life, i'm sincerely happy for you. It does happen, just not that often.

And being married for years doesn't prove love... my own parents are a case of this. They've been married for over 20 years and still don't love each other.. they have grown used to being around each other and dependent on the other being there because it's what they are accustomed to. My mother even cheated on my father and they stayed together.. not because of love, but because she had no where else to go and she didn't want to leave her children behind... she had to do that once before in a previous marriage. And my dad used to treat her like shit and ignore me and my siblings.. and spending money on things he wanted instead of things we needed.. some would consider it love to have stayed together through these things, but my own mother will admit that it wasn't love, but nessesity.

And even now she thinks at times that he is off having sex with another woman, but she doesn't care. It's not because they have "matured beyond petty jealousy and insecurity"... it's because they really don't care. There is no love between them and that is why it wouldn't bother them.[/color][/font]
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Bro, i now understand why you feel the way you do... I'm sorry that you and your mom had to go through that. It's unfortunate when families are exposed to selfish parents. I know that it must have been tough for you growing up like that. My best friend (who was like a brother to me) grew up in a similar situation. They were in a bad situation and tried to make the best of it... sometimes that happens. As i said, i was speaking in generalizations. clearly your parents were an exception to the rule...
 
I think this discussion went from could you swing to can love exist between two swingers. Love can't be defined. Love is everything that you've endured together and all the things you guys are talking about, but for some reason what I have gotten out of the last few posts is the idea that someone is suggesting that because you'd share your partner there cannot be love and then the other side suggesting that the other is naive for believing in the kind of love that they do. On the subtopic, I thought the point was that you can't love someone if lust was the sole reason you got involved with the person and married them because then you'd need something more to carry on with the relationship/stay together. I don't think that is always true and I don't think that because you'd share your partner you can't really be in love with the person nor do I think it is naive if someone feels they never will have the desire to be with someone new/share their partner. Like I said fantasies are what keep things fresh. It doesn't mean they are what we really want or what we will really do, but Kong it sounds like you have hashed things out and have an open honest marriage. That's fuckign love right there man! And Sik you and your wife are open enough with each other to be comfortable sharing each other with other people sexually and still remain happily married. That's love too! So, what the fuck are we arguing or trying to make the other see. If it's indeed that "time will tell" then hell what's the point. I just thought that if we were arguing love it'd be best to come right out and have all parties involved agree that there is no ONE type of love. Love is all the things that are covered underneath the very idea like an umbrella...lol sounds like a leaky one, but hell it's better than nothing. I for one don't look down on Sik or anyone. I don't know shit. I probably never will, but I'm listening.
 
kong1971 said:
Get a young Keanue Reeves to say that in a movie and it would be perfect. I mean-- whoa! That's so far out!

You guys sound like my kids and their friends. Talking on their cell phones, coming up with grand ideas like they invented them, and thinking we don't know what we're talking about because then you would have to believe it.

Sorry if you wanted chocolate ice cream and all I gave you was crackers.

Get over it.

Mommy and Daddy ain't perfect, and they don't have all the answers, but what they do have is a lot of "been there, done that".
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sounds like you've run out of valid arguements to resort to treating us like children. I'd try to avoid making posts out of frustration in the future, but what do I know.. I'm just a child, right? :P

And sikdogg.. I too believe that there is no such thing as "love at first sight". With me and my partner there was no "love at first sight" instance either... though there was attraction. True it isn't until later on in the relationship is when you realize it's love.. but it doesn't always take several years to be able to come to this conclusion.

I had come across two others before my significant other that I told myself "this is the one" and found I was wrong rather quickly ^_^; I didn't even want to be with who I am with now because I wanted to make my last relationship work out so much... but we were too drawn to each other to stay apart.. and it wasn't the whole "I must have sex with you!" thing.. I just never felt so special and loved with any other person. I actually denied it was love for the longest time because I figured it was just another passing fancy like the previous two.. but I didn't feel as strongly for them as I feel for this one... and the feeling just gets stronger as time passes.
 
kong1971 said:
Get a young Keanue Reeves to say that in a movie and it would be perfect. I mean-- whoa! That's so far out!

You guys sound like my kids and their friends. Talking on their cell phones, coming up with grand ideas like they invented them, and thinking we don't know what we're talking about because then you would have to believe it.

Sorry if you wanted chocolate ice cream and all I gave you was crackers.

Get over it.

Mommy and Daddy ain't perfect, and they don't have all the answers, but what they do have is a lot of "been there, done that".
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I bet you're in your early twenties to mid-twenties. This is the same attitude almost all of them get.

It starts off with the big kids (ten year olds) picking on the little kids, then the teenagers pick on the big kids (and other teenagers) and then 18 rolls around and they feel rebellious (so they make fun of the younger teenagers) and then finally, 20 comes and they're so proud to be such a big adult, so they dedicate their life to stabbing at the teenagers. You're so right.
 
Speaking with the same condescending tone, like they've just been through every single little thing possible. My ass. You've got a job, simple little thing. You haven't had a thousand girlfriends and been divorced one quadrillion times, so don't think too highly of your 'experience'. You pay bills (and suddenly you're the pro at love?) You think far too highly of yourself, and you're too dependant on your 'experience', just like a 4 year old to his mom. Mom isn't a super hero, and your 'experience' isn't something worthy of being in a history textbook. You're just like a teenager. We both have a crowd to pick on, and we both depend on something and think too highly of it. What you use to feed your attitude are teenagers, you pick on them, it builds you up. You're so experienced and mature. What you use to fall back on is your 'experience'. You're just as immature as any teenager, and you don't even realize it.
 
You think I'm picking on you? Typical. Stomping your feet and holding your breath doesn't work past grade school. Instead of trying to absorb my viewpoint you just get angry because I'm not telling you what you want to hear. BTW, I'm in my mid-thirties. I am not picking on anyone, just trying to explain some things. When you get my age (which, by the way, I estimate to be almost TWICE your age) you will get annoyed by teenage attitude just the same. Go watch some more MTV.
 
It's pointless to post anything else because it's stuck in your head that User_Name and I are kids, but I find this whole "age wars" thing to be more immature and childish than anything else said in this thread. Being mature enough to be in your 30's, you should be above that "I'm older than you so I matter more" stuff, that's for kids. By the way, it does seem kind of odd being called a kid and a teenager when you're in your 20's, but then age doesn't even matter.. and I'm sure there are people that think you're still a kid in your 20's. Heck, people older than you probably think people in their 30's are kids! Who knows... the people that grow older but remain immature keep that "age wars" mentality. I personally feel once someone takes that stance, speaking with them is a moot point because their ears are filled with cotton to those not in or above their age bracket. :|
 
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You think I'm picking on you? Typical. Stomping your feet and holding your breath doesn't work past grade school. Instead of trying to absorb my viewpoint you just get angry because I'm not telling you what you want to hear. BTW, I'm in my mid-thirties. I am not picking on anyone, just trying to explain some things. When you get my age (which, by the way, I estimate to be almost TWICE your age) you will get annoyed by teenage attitude just the same. Go watch some more MTV.
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Hypocrite. What about you? You come up with some shit-response like that, all because you heard what you didn't want to hear. Why should I consider what you say, when you aren't even doing the same for me? Instead, you make groundless, ridiculous assumptions based on my age (you know, making generalizations) and then you claim you're not picking on me? You made a generalization about Teenagers, you spoke of Teenagers in a condescending tone, and I, being a Teenager, am supposed to go "Yeah! You're totally right, man." I don't have to agree with you to be right, especially when you didn't even offer constructive criticism about Teenagers. What was there to listen to? You sat there using condescending words like "mommy" and such. If anybody listened to you, it wouldn't have helped. It would have pissed off any Teengaer who knows the difference between constructive criticism and just plain insulting. I hate MTV. I hate Rap (Most Teenagers' favorite) I think it's a culture entirely based on Attention. It's all about who has the most pimped-out ride, who has the hottest bitches and hoes, who has the most bling, whatever. I hate words like Poser and all those stupid terms that Teenagers' used (and basically dug a hole for themselves') What pisses me off about you is that you lack the ability to be insightful. Go watch some more MTV? I'm sure you would have told that to any Teenager who disagreed with you. Any bullshit implication on the Teenage culture (made by Teenagers and the media) pisses me off just as much as it does you, but unlike you, my views sink deeper, and I'm actually open-minded about it. I don't just think "Teenager=Angsty, Wannabe Thug, Dilusional, Immature tit-sucking momma's boy." It's just like judging someone because of their Job, or because of their attire, anything. For me, there're cliques in school. You probably forgot how it was to be a Teenager in school, so I'll elaborate.

Most teenagers view each other based on the clique they are associated with. If you're a Goth, then you've got issues and you're depressed (or if you hate Goths, then they're just angsty idiots.) If you're a Prep, then you are shallow and prefer trivial things (or if you're a Goth, then Preps are the people who shoot you dirty looks and hate you so much because you're so different.)

My point is, you're just like one of those typical Teenagers. Your views are ruled by simple things like Age or Clique (for you, it's age.) Chances are (based on your previous responses) you won't listen to me. Afterall, since I didnt agree with your sheer insults, I'm just some Teengaer who's half your age and isn't considering what you're saying because I don't want to hear it.
 
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indeed, that is has ^_^;
First it was about sharing.. then got into a debate about love.. and now the age wars. So what's next? Hobbies and pastimes?
 
C'mon guys, let's chill... i think we're taking peoples comments too personal. I don't think the was any malice or intent to offend the young'ins when us old folk brought up age and experience. If i offended anyone, please accept my apology.
 
In your 20's you're still a 'young'in' and in your 30's you're already 'old folk'. :s

...But I agree, lets just chill.
 
Just tongue-n-cheek...

Bro, i have a 13 and 20 year old at home and they both think i'm an old fogey... and sometimes, i feel like one.
 
lol this is why I tried to kind of sum things up earlier because I knew this thread was headed down the road it took. Oh, well.

Nice looking company you keep, sir.
 
Hahaha that couldnt have been a better pic sikdogg! Yeah dadgummit keep on topic! I havent been posting because I am too retarded to understand all of the other points that were brought up.
 
yeah try to keep this on topic, all this other talk is confusing the hell outta me
 
That pic was taken at private club. Most of the people that attend this club are hot and know how to have a great time. Safe sex is always practiced and unlike what most people think, the women don't go home with dried cum all over their face and hair. You can fuck all night with any willing woman or you can just sit and watch everyone else, your choice. No one is ever coaxed or pushed into anything. And because most attendees are couples, all the guys treat every woman with the same respect that they expect their partner to be treated. Any guy that gets out of line is quickly dealt with and thrown out pronto.
 
Holy shit that pic is awesome. My [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]Penimaster[/words] just got messed up!
 
The best part is that guys wear out before the women do so when a few guys are resting, there are more women available. Threesome (MFM and FMF) are very common in the course of an evening.
 
Sikdogg do you find you outsize the guys at the swinger parties usually? I guess I would feel more comfortable swinging with a wife if I was rather large. Thos pics are amazing. Most pics I have seen of swinger type parties are not so great.
 
so you would be into swinging as you are rather large lol...I'd feel like a shrew amongst all those massive things...in another year I'll be there with the bigger boys.
 
Regarding dick size, I think that typically i'm on the larger side of the house. I've seen some pretty big ones though, i don't ask if they Penis Enlargement or not. Typically, the guys that are a little longer aren't thick at all and the ones with more thickness aren't very long. I would estimate the average size to be around 6"NBP and close to 5" around. One time, My wife was with this guy who looked pretty big but after she was with him, she came over to me and pulled me away from the two chicks i was with and asked me to fuck her right then, she said that she really disappointed with the last guy cuz he wasn't big enough to hit the right places. Another guy i recall (cuz he had a real hot fiancee), was only about 5'4" tall and about 120lbs but when the pants dropped, he looked as big as i was. It was hard to compare cuz i didn't want to stare at his dick but also cuz his small body frame may have made it look bigger.

Regarding attractive swingers... yes there are alot of hot swingers, prolly some living close to you. It just depends on the circle you hang with, the clubs/parties you frequent, and how attractive you are. We've been to places where there were nothing but skanky and shady looking people, they were mostly older and very overweight. We looked like rock stars compared to them, they all just stared almost like they were licking their chops. They were what most people typically think swingers to look like. Needless to say, we were outta there pretty quick. On the flip side, we've been to some parties where everyone looked like supermodels which can be intimidating. We felt like we were the ugly ducklings and almost felt a little out of place.

The people you see in the pics that i posted are all in their mid-30's. Some of these women have had alot of plastic surgury done, but i'm amazed how much they all workout. We also sometimes hang out with a younger group, mostly college age to late 20's people. They are real hot and wild but can be childish at times. The 30's crowd seems to have it together the most. They are usually very fit and financially stable so they can afford to go on weekend gettaways and vacations with you.
 
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so you would be into swinging as you are rather large lol...I'd feel like a shrew amongst all those massive things...in another year I'll be there with the bigger boys.
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Honestly, size is more ego than anything else. We put so much stress on ourselves about our size, more than what any woman ever does. There are ALOT of guys that are only average and they get alot of play. These women have seen all sorts of dicks from black to white to yellow to big to real small. As long as you have the skills to make up for size, they won't really care much. There are actually guys that are known for their oral skills or their massage skills and women will look them up for that. There are also women who like anal and usually prefer a guy to be average size.
 
Interesting...you seem to have accumulated a vast knowledge on sex and relationships...a spectrum...see kids...we can learn a lot even from cyber space...I think really generally when we think about people having great sex we automatically envision a woman moaning and groaning as a huge cock does its thing...I like to take things slow and make the woman feel they are the only thing that's been on my mind for a long time. I like and am real good at oral sex. I've made women cum without ever getting them undressed. It happened like this at work once...I gave a girl a massage in between customers (we were the onyl ones working in a small shop) and for about an hour and a half I worked her up to the point where I knew she was wanting to go further...but that was back when I was a small fry and plus I was in my mid teens. So I suppose I still have that lack of confidence in my sex game because I was small my whole life. I haven't even had intercourse with a woman in almost two years. Haven't been in a relationship in slightly less time than that. Sucks, but I had a lot of baggage I have been trying to drop the last year or so. But to the point I still have that idea that women really do want a big cock they can brag to their friends about as opposed to just talking about how good I am or whatever....I'm not ready for a serious relationship though either just in case you can tell or are wondering why I'm bringing up my caring of what other women think or hear about me...lol

If I can get back my confidence this summer and I've felt pretty good lately as far as talking to women like at work for instance then I'll be back in the swing of things and hopefully getting to know someone "better" and I'd like to get to know them though as well..I have had a bad history of one nighters...In fact I'm thinking karma does exist lol.
 
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The people you see in the pics that i posted are all in their mid-30's. Some of these women have had alot of plastic surgury done, but i'm amazed how much they all workout.
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Hey man thats the SoCal way. Thanks for taking the time to tell us all these insights into the swinging world.
 
Sikdogg...I am extremely curious as to how you can go fvck your wife, knowing that 5-10 minutes earlier another guy was all up in that? I think that came across a little rude perhaps, but know that I am asking this in a sincere manner and nothing derogatory is meant by it. Do you even think about it, or are you just used to it? If you are used to it, did you think about it before, her being with someone else and then coming to you right afterwards?

I would have a hard time fvcking a girl, even months after her last intercourse "session". I guess its all in how you look at it.
 
Bro. it's not derogatory or rude to ask that at all... I have no problem fucking my wife right after she's been fucked by someone else just like i don't have a problem fucking the next girl after she just got fucked by another guy. It's not like she's full of someone else's cum... as i mentioned in an earlier post, we always wear a condom when having sex with others. Of course, there are some that don't wear condoms but unless they're willing to wear condoms when with us, we'll pass regardless of how hot they are. We don't have any hang-ups about anyone we've had sex with, sometimes it's really good other times it's not. It doesn't bother me at all if she has sex with guys that are bigger than me, if she enjoys the experience then great. She doesn't get bothered when i fuck a younger and hotter chic.

I think that an ex-bf would be worse, cuz with an ex she had a relationship with him. In our case, she just fucks him and leaves him for me regardless of how good or how big he was. If a guy/girl was real good at something, we teach each other what they did so we can learn from it and make sex between us better down the road. And regardless of how many times we fuck others at a club/party, we always talk and have sex when we get home... and it's always great sex.
 
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