Power Assist

[freakybig]

No offence to anybody but the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Power Assist[/words] looks like it does a good job but $49 sounds pretty steep. Could someone explain why it costs so much?

 

[stillwantmore]

Well for one, theyre all hand made. The time put into making each one is probably worth double the asking price.

 

[mal561]

I think 50 is reasonable,I mean the thing is gonna last for a long time,you wont have to buy another stretching device.

 

[stillwantmore]

Yea, you guys are right I mean crap having a bigger dick is just not worth investing any money into. Hell, You could just go lay down a few thousand dollars and have some surgery...the results of which are not guaranteed either. I'd rather invest the $50 (whats that just over a dollar a day for a month????) and have a better chance of making my dick bigger though. Damn, I just laid that objection to rest didnt I?

 

[pUNKY]

So let me get this right, you think $50 is to much, please. So most of you people will buy into a rip off Penis Enlargement site (giving no names) but wont buy a device from DLD and co, that you know is going to work. If you dont want it dont buy it, but theres no need to complain.

 

[b1nzen48]

Here's what goes into making the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Power Assist[/words] so you guys can better understand the price on them.

1. It is a 60 mile round trip for me to go to get the ash to make them. Once I am there, my supplier lets me hand select the boards I want which is very fortunate. Most lumber suppliers won't let you go through and tear a lift of lumber apart to get what you want. Also, I am guaranteed that I am getting the best material available. When He orders in a lift of lumber it is shipped to him in air tight containers, not on a flatbed truck and exposed to the weather enountered on the way to him. When he gets it, it is stored in his climate controlled facility, not left out in the yard exposed to the weather. This ensures the quality and stability of the material I use.

2. After I get it I have to plane it down to thickness, straighten and dress the edges, then cut my blanks to size for the template jigs.

3. Next, I shape out the center hole, then transfer it to the other template to shape the handles and overall appearance.

4. After this is done I have to sand all the shaped edges so they are smooth and put the holes in for the rope.

5. Now it's time to round over the edges.

6. After all the above is done I go over each piece individually and hand sand/finish sand the piece to make it the best I can.

7. Once it is ready I then heat cut and seal the ends of the rope and attach it to the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Power Assist[/words].

These are pretty much the steps involved to make one.

After this there are other costs involved such as packaging, shipping, customs clearance, replacement costs for tool bits, saw blades, etc.

My business is home based, I am the one who takes care of everything from lumber selection, production, and quality control. I have no employees which is good because it allows me to ensure that a good product is going out the door. If I'm not happy with it then it won't leave my shop.

This isn't to criticize anyone's feelings, but rather to help you guys see what goes into making these. It's no one's fault, but all you guys have seen is the end result without knowing what it takes to get there. DLD's cost on these is my bottom line and the best deal I can give him. I hope you now have a better idea on this subject.

 

[penguinsfan]

I think b1nzen48 gave a good explanation of the process. Making anything out of wood is going to take time. There is also a simple supply and demand issue here. You can't go out and buy a competing [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]power assist[/words] at your local Wal-Mart. If you could, b1nzen48 would either have to find a way to cut costs to compete, or would be out of business. You just can't compare cheap pieces of wood product that are machine made, as it's a different ballgame. From the looks of the picture of the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Power Assist[/words], it appears that the product is really sanded well with a smooth finish that undoubtedly took a fair amount of time. Well, I don't know about you folks, but I don't want to order a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]power assist[/words] from Taiwan, made out of cheap pine, with a lousy finish that leaves me with splinter-dick.

 

[penguinsfan]

BTW, I know the stretch from this device is supposed to be awesome. How does it work for newbies like myself? I don't want to get something too advanced for me and tear my lig in half.

 

[b1nzen48]

Thanks for the post PF. You brought up a couple of other points I wanted to mention.

1. The quality of a well made device. 1 piece solid ash( that's what they use for major league bats) construction.

2. This device is exclusively available on the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] sight and you will not find it anywhere else.

3. It has been tested for durability and effectiveness to multiply the intensity of your stretching routine by DLD himself.

4. Wouldn't you rather spend a small amount on this first instead of a WHOPPING $400-$600 on a [words=https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/bestellung.php3?PID=PM0440A&Sprache=en]Penimaster[/words] or similar device?

5. Do you have the tools to make your own?

 

[stillwantmore]

Originally posted by pUNKY

If you dont want it dont buy it, but theres no need to complain.

Especially HERE in the OPenis EnlargementN FORUM very tacky! Not to mention disrespectful to bl1zen who has worked so hard to get these made.

 

[Girthius]

I'm an engineer, and i get this all the time, people just don't understand the time and effort involved in making something from raw materials!!! I think it is fairly priced!!! What i will say, also is that this is only the beginnings of this product being produced, so after sometime, B1nzen may have to re-evaluate his pricing, and possibly increase the charge!! Maybe it want happen, but I have seen it in the past when something new is being produced, it normally takes a month or so to see if it is profitable, and worth the time and effort to make.

Girthius

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by pyro
umm First of all I was not complaining, I gave my opinion $50 is a bit much, there is no rocket science behind that device. It's a great instrument and Im happy for all of you that want to buy it..I want to buy it 2 but ill wait til u guys post your RESULTS.

$50 is expensive and I wish I could make it less but as B1 explained there is allot that goes into it. With any product that is handmade in limited quantities the cost is rediculous. If these were mass produced the cost would be half. The other thing that everyone needs to look at is all the work that went into the exercise development. Anyone is welcome to access the exercises even if they make their own... I could not make one mine would end up looking, well, terrible..

DLD

 

[German Stallion]

Okay, since you brought up the concept, what is the possibility of those who want to make their own...what are the dimensions? I don't know if I would, but knowing the size might decide some on buying VS building? I guess you could guess on the size etc. GS

 

[freakybig]

I hope I haven't pissed anyone off - some of the replies make me think I have, but I wasn't putting down the device or it's production in anyway. I was merely wondering why it costs 50 dollars. Now I know thanks to the explanation.

 

[b1nzen48]

Anyone here will have the option to make their own. I will be drafting a complete set of plans for the device including all dimensions, tools required, and instructions. I will send these to DLD and they will be posted in the forum for everybody's access.

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by German Stallion
Okay, since you brought up the concept, what is the possibility of those who want to make their own...what are the dimensions? I don't know if I would, but knowing the size might decide some on buying VS building? I guess you could guess on the size etc. GS

I will throw up the dimensions for you tonight.

 

[b1nzen48]

Freakybig, you didn't piss me off and I took no offense to your inquiry. I am also certain that you were not the only one questioning the DLD's price. Now that everybody sees what goes into making them they will realize that DLD is asking a fair price.

 

[pumaz]

Anyone who questions the price doesn't know the time involved in making something like this with their hands. I had have a moderate knowledge of woodworking from many years of high school woodshop. In order to produce a tool like this you would definitely spend hundreds on equipment alone. In this case b1 probably has already invested 1000s in wood working tools in order for him to produce these at a decent rate. It is not like this guy has a factory assembly line and these things are stamped out of raw material at 100 units per minute.

 

[German Stallion]

Binzen48, your answer is very gracious and kind. Shows a good spirit. I for one, appreciate both you and DLD willing to give those who might want to make this, a chance. I made several hangers before I threw up my hands and bought a "Bib hanger" so I know thinking you can duplicate something is often just a "dream," but there are some who will try and that is fine. Often we need to try something on a temporary basis to see if it fits us and then go the extra mile to get a good product. Thanks again for the good spirit. That is one thing I like about our forum, we are all working together for the same...GS

 

[German Stallion]

B1, What is the thickness of the board? 3/4 or thicker? ASh is a closed grain wood, oak is strong but you surely might get splinters...whew....GS

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by German Stallion
B1, What is the thickness of the board? 3/4 or thicker? ASh is a closed grain wood, oak is strong but you surely might get splinters...whew....GS

GS could you post this question in this thread:
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1462

 

[b1nzen48]

GS, I just wanted to say thankyou for the kind words. It means alot when someone stands up and notices another mans integrity. This thankyou is also extended to you other guys like SWM, Girthius, Pumaz and Penguinsfan, and DLD. Freaky big, thanks for starting this thread and bringing this issue to light.

 

[Girthius]

No Prob B1nzen!! Looking forward to receiving your crafted work of art this week hopefully.

Girthius

 

[isublkdrgn]

Hi,

I just wanted to add my words on this. While yes $50 is expensive, I look at it this way. DLD put a lot of hard work and time in developing it and b1nzen48 in making it.

Even though I have access to all the tools to build one of my own. I would much rather spend it supporting these guys because they made it possible. I too have money issues because I am a college student, but I just worked a couple of extra hours to buy it. I think that this could really be a good tool for every one because of its diversity of uses. If it helps a person get some confidence back $50 dollars is just a small price to pay to know that you are doing something that will make you happy with yourself. Atleast thats the way it is for me.

Thanks!

ISUBlkDrgn
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Member since June.

 

[jojo]

I understand $50 is hard to come buy for some of us, but just looking at the device and knowing how hard it is to get a good A stretch using your arm or a fake arm. I knew $50 was cheap compared to some of the other BS out there. And now that I know it is being handcrafted I'm really glad I got one while there still $50, I've read at Thunders that the BIB hangers started out under $100 and people complained about that, but look how much they cost now.

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by jojo
I understand $50 is hard to come buy for some of us, but just looking at the device and knowing how hard it is to get a good A stretch using your arm or a fake arm. I knew $50 was cheap compared to some of the other BS out there. And now that I know it is being handcrafted I'm really glad I got one while there still $50, I've read at Thunders that the BIB hangers started out under $100 and people complained about that, but look how much they cost now.

Funny story about the A-Stretch. When I came up with this stretch I remember posting it at Thunders (someone should go find the original post and post it here) Anyway after I posted it some people got mad because they could not get into the position. I felt so guilty that I appologized for even posting it. I look back on that today and realize that not only that the A-Stretch is the backbone to the Blasters but it is also used by almost every manual Penis Enlargement'er. Very cool stuff.

 

[jojo]

For me it wasn't the fact I couldn't get into the position. It was the fatigue factor. I used a bar bell for the fake arm when I stretched and I would have to wrap the ends of the bar bell because it was so damn cold and it dug into my thighs. And I could still only do it off and on for 20 mins because even with the ends being wrapped it would eventually start hurting my thighs. And forget about using my arm after 5 mins of stretching my arm would be sore as hell. But I wished it was a better way cause I knew my unit could take more exercise.


later...

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by doublelongdaddy
Funny story about the A-Stretch. When I came up with this stretch I remember posting it at Thunders (someone should go find the original post and post it here) Anyway after I posted it some people got mad because they could not get into the position. I felt so guilty that I appologized for even posting it. I look back on that today and realize that not only that the A-Stretch is the backbone to the Blasters but it is also used by almost every manual Penis Enlargement'er. Very cool stuff.

Found the thread:

http://www.Thund3rs Pl@ce.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4382

 

[Gardenier90]

You got some searchin' skills man!

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by Gardenier90
You got some searchin' skills man!

Not bad for an Ex-Member

 

[stillwantmore]

Hey, Im an "Ex moderator" there too. Remember...I was somehow involved in a conspiracy to bring down Thund3rs Pl@ce...DLD's right hand man....LOL.

 

[Gardenier90]

Originally posted by stillwantmore
Hey, Im an "Ex moderator" there too. Remember...I was somehow involved in a conspiracy to bring down Thund3rs Pl@ce...DLD's right hand man....LOL.

Really?

 

[stillwantmore]

Of course not! One of the other mods (whom I thought had some respect for me) wrongly accused me of having something to do with releasing a private post in the Mod forum there into the Main forum for everyone to see. I really have better things to do with my time than silly things like that. Of course the excuse I got from the Big Cheese was something to the effect of "Well, we just feel like you being a moderator here and on DLD's forum is a conflict of interest" whatever man.

 

[ctmwm]

Originally posted by b1nzen48
GS, I just wanted to say thankyou for the kind words. It means alot when someone stands up and notices another mans integrity. This thankyou is also extended to you other guys like SWM, Girthius, Pumaz and Penguinsfan, and DLD. Freaky big, thanks for starting this thread and bringing this issue to light.

I have ALL the tools
And I still wont make one!! I'd rather buy one. AND it supports my Buddy DLD. And at the same time the Quality Looks WELL worth the price! Have you seen anything made from good wood now adays?

I found a saying a long time ago -

"There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price along are this man's lawful prey." - John Ruskin

SO TRUE!!!

b1nzen48 - dont listen to the BS there is ALWAYS comments and critics.

I'll be getting mine as soon as I push some more crap on Ebay. Thats how I clean out and get my spending money!!!

 

[b1nzen48]

Thanks ctwm. I really appreciate your post. It has always been my personal policy to offer the best product I can produce at the best possible price. When I design something new there is always more than just making it involved. It's not uncommon when I am doing my R&D on a new item to spend days on the phone locating materials at the best price available amongst other things. I always strive to be able to sell a better product at a cheaper price than the competition.

 

[German Stallion]

Hey B1, I would still like to know how thick that board is, after you get it planed down??? GS

 

[b1nzen48]

GS, I'll be sending the complete instructions to DLD over the next couple of days so he can attach it to the "How to" thread. In the meantime, the over all size of the board you start with is 16"longX5" wideX 7/8" thickness.

 

[pUNKY]

why are the people at Thund3rs Pl@ce ( only some ) so mardy and full of shit.

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by pUNKY
why are the people at Thund3rs Pl@ce ( only some ) so mardy and full of shit.

You'll love this thread then! http://www.Thund3rs Pl@ce.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16909...

 

[Gardenier90]

Originally posted by stillwantmore
Of course not! One of the other mods (whom I thought had some respect for me) wrongly accused me of having something to do with releasing a private post in the Mod forum there into the Main forum for everyone to see. I really have better things to do with my time than silly things like that. Of course the excuse I got from the Big Cheese was something to the effect of "Well, we just feel like you being a moderator here and on DLD's forum is a conflict of interest" whatever man.

Whoa! No hard feelings right?

 

[penguinsfan]

Originally posted by freakybig
I hope I haven't pissed anyone off - some of the replies make me think I have, but I wasn't putting down the device or it's production in anyway. I was merely wondering why it costs 50 dollars. Now I know thanks to the explanation.

It's natural for one to compare the device to what we're used to paying for mass-produced products, which are a totally different ballgame. Higher cost is the nature of the beast in such a tight niche market as our community. Hopefully, people get some great results from this device.

 

[penguinsfan]

When I see what all can be involved with woodworking, it amazes me that many wood products are priced as low as they are. Obviously, a skilled worker can produce much better stuff at a faster rate, but there is still a considerable amount of work.

 

[penguinsfan]

Just also wanted to mention a big thumbs-up to the guys for publishing the instructions for the construction of this device. Any [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]Power Assist[/words] I get will be purchased, but I respect the guys for providing the information for those of you that are looking to save some cash or long for a challenge.

 

[ctmwm]

Originally posted by doublelongdaddy
You'll love this thread then! http://www.Thund3rs Pl@ce.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16909...

Its no wonder why I dont frequent over there. DAM Man! What a bunch of wining bitches!! Pissy Pissy Pissy. Ah frig 'em. I dont have enough time to keep up with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] forums, let alone a place that you have to be in the "in crowd" or a place that anyone that posts with a dumb or old question he gets FLAMED!!!


I hate that even if the question has been asked a 1000 times the person asking it shouldnt get flamed!!! At the very least just point him in the right direction. ARRGGHH that pisses me off!

Just for that I'm changing my signature

 

[WaxN]

I tend to agree. $50 is a lot, but you're paying for more than just the parts - your paying for a person's time to make it. The same with the Bib hanger, which I've purchased. Would anyone suggest that the parts of a Bib hanger are anywhere near $100???
Am I going to buy the stretcher thing?
No.
Am I going to make one?
Probably not.
But I don't have a problem with it either....only if DLD had made wild, unsubstantiated claims in promoting it (which he has not).
So what's the big damn deal anyway?
That is what I posted at Thunder's. But I would like to clarify one thing...when I said "I tend to agree. $50 is a lot...." I meant that $50 is a lot for some people to pay. Which, you can see, as I went on I clarified that the "value" of a product is more than simply the material sum of it's parts - just as with the Bib hanger.
Personally, I'm not interested in it - but I have no negative feelings about it or about DLD promoting it. It may well be beneficial for some guys - so be it.
I just didn't understand all the ganging-up about it.

 

[DLD]

Originally posted by ctmwm
a place that you have to be in the "in crowd"

Forums can sometimes take on similarities from our past. The "in crowd" can take many forms. Sometimes the "in crowd" does not realize what they are doing because they become so blind by the group mentality.

An example of this is how Hitler manipulated the German people. He would play on different interests to appeal to different groups, and because of his charisma he won support throughout the world. But most of the support came because Hitler gave these people hope and someone to blame.

Forums can sometimes take on these type of persona's. I have seen some forums where the Admins take on the role of Hitler and the MODS take on the roles of the SS.

There will never be an "in crowd" here. Be who you are, say what you like and grow a bigger dick.