This is just wrong

"You are a "slave" only because you choose to be." Well from the Amendment that you noted, I am a slave by decree simply by being born within the captured territory of the Federal Occupational Force.

"Didn't Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission recently establish that corporations are persons?
How could it be that a group of people is considered a person but an individual isn't?"

Didn't read that one Neckercube. What I was trying to say with my babbling was that "persons" have rights that are protected by law, the Constitution specifically, but that "citizens" are merely subjects, and by definition can only have "privileges" given to them by government. Privileges are NOT rights. They can be taken away by whim or "mandate". :D Our country was founded on principles that people are sovereigns with rights that are natural and NOT as a "gift" from government. Our government was only established to protect those rights, not to establish them or "regulate" them or to "provide" them.

Notice for example the Amendment noted above. It "decrees" that henceforth, people are deemed citizens by birth. OUCH! So "our" government essentially strips one of all natural rights at the moment of birth. It turns people into subjects at birth. Frightening...saddening. Conveniently, the tyrants who would pass such an Amendment didn't bother to change the term "person" or "people" throughout the rest of the Constitution into "citizen" as well. LOL...I wonder why that is??? :D

Full text here:
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

(emphasis added)

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establisHydromaxent of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be suBathmateitted to a candid world.

You are a slave only because you choose to be.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/citizen
(edited entry)

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citizen (noun)
cit·i·zen noun \ˈsi-tə-zən also -sən\
Definition of CITIZEN
1: an inhabitant of a city or town; especially : one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman 2a : a member of a state b : a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it
3: a civilian as distinguished from a specialized servant of the state
— cit·i·zen·ly \-zən-lē also -sən-\ adjective
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Examples of CITIZEN
She was a United States citizen but lived most of her life abroad.
a group of Japanese citizens
Origin of CITIZEN
Middle English citizein, from Anglo-French citezein, alteration of citeien, from cité city
First Known Use: 14th century
Related to CITIZEN
Synonyms: freeman, national, subject
Antonyms: alien, noncitizen
Related Words: compatriot, countryman; inhabitant, native, nonimmigrant, residentNear Antonyms: foreigner, stranger; immigrant, nonnativesee all synonyms and antonyms
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citizen, subject, national mean a person owing allegiance to and entitled to the protection of a sovereign state. citizen is preferred for one owing allegiance to a state in which sovereign power is retained by the people and sharing in the political rights of those people <the rights of a free citizen>. subject implies allegiance to a personal sovereign such as a monarch <the king's subjects>. national designates one who may claim the protection of a state and applies especially to one living or traveling outside that state <American nationals working in the Middle East>.

Law has its own definitions :D A "citizen" is inferior and a subject "granted" priviledges by its master, er GODvernment. It is not a sovereign. "Citizens" do not have natural rights. Sovereigns do. "Citizens" can have what they think are "rights", actually just privileges removed by whim or fiat. Sovereigns cannot "lose" natural rights because they are theirs by simply being alive. Citizens are inferior and subservient beings to the fictional entity of Godvernment. All government is inferior to sovereigns, because all government is simply a temporary alliance or agreement made of free will among sovereigns while it is mutually beneficial. But this is rather boring...if one cannot see the difference between free men and mere subjects to arbitrary rule by any old type of coercion, force, threat, or aggression (government). I'm out.

Peace Brothers.

Well, for what its worth Tom, This is VERY true. I completely agree with you.

Dan

irspow;475551 said:

Law has its own definitions :D A "citizen" is inferior and a subject "granted" priviledges by its master, er GODvernment. It is not a sovereign. "Citizens" do not have natural rights. Sovereigns do. "Citizens" can have what they think are "rights", actually just privileges removed by whim or fiat. Sovereigns cannot "lose" natural rights because they are theirs by simply being alive. Citizens are inferior and subservient beings to the fictional entity of Godvernment. All government is inferior to sovereigns, because all government is simply a temporary alliance or agreement made of free will among sovereigns while it is mutually beneficial. But this is rather boring...if one cannot see the difference between free men and mere subjects to arbitrary rule by any old type of coercion, force, threat, or aggression (government). I'm out.

Peace Brothers.

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Tom,
Please provide references to support your assertions.

neckercube;475507 said:

As I've mentioned before, I think our new forms of social communication are changing the public into a collective conscious. This is empowering, and will bring forth a paradigm that the public really does have the power to make positive change. There will be a lot more politically responsible individuals and less people saying "I'm not into politics" or "politics is a waste of my time."

As for laws, yes they keep getting worse and they will keep getting pushed into Washington until the public unites against it. I mentioned Hollywood, specifically pushing laws like SOPA and PIPA, and thankfully lots of Americans were willing to write their representatives and tell them to stop. Around 11 million people were involved in that protest, online and offline. People need to fight back like this, because it inspires not just us but everyone in the world that is paying attention, and A LOT of people were paying attention. Just as aforementioned, these acts had been defeated but would return in a different name. We could fight these indefinitely, but it'd be better to end the undue influence of groups like the MPAA on our govt, among so many other groups that are distorting our agriculture, our treasury, our military, our prisons, and the Constitution itself.

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We live in a great time, a time where we can gather in groups with similar beliefs and exchange information in ways never before possible. With the new forums of communication we have a rare opportunity to make a massive difference. If we use this massive influence in the proper manner we will make strides much broader than any we could in the real world. I always tell my people that we rarely taken serious by authorities so we have the freedom to make things happen without waking the dogs. What we do? Everything and anything possible to make a difference and collect as many members as we can to stand behind our efforts. Change is possible and with the communication highways we are in the perfect place to be influential. I can make a much larger difference in a 9 minute Youtube video than being advertised in 20 newspapers! Imagine that and it is free with the net. Keep telling the story, keep the faith, remain tenacious and headstrong and the dream will be served to those who deserve it's message.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/03/petraeus-tv-remote/

just interesting article I think people should check out

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." --Thomas Jefferson