The Secret - Law Of Attraction

For those who haven't watched The Secret, I really recommend in order to get a deeper understanding how life and the whole Universe really works. Here's the first 20 minutes of the documentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b1GKGWJbE8

So let me ask you a question magneto.... I've taken a look into the link you've posted up about the law of attraction & must say I agree with it TO AN EXTENT! For instance, I for one believe that close to ANY sort of achievement that one wants to make with our body is very well achievable due to the fact that our mind affects our well being. But now, something like attracting MONEY simply because you WANT it..... Forgive me but that sounds sort of farfetched & incredulous, don't you think? Unless of course you go out & WORK for that money.... then that's different IMO.

Load of crap, i have been reading this kind of stuff since i was a kid, Brian Tracy, Zig Ziglar,Ton Robbins,Wayne Dyer,Robert Kiyosaki.... got hundreds of mp3 tapes, and one thing is constants, once these people make little money the skip the biz and go to selling tapes!

If they make money so easy why don't stick with it?

Because making money is constant work but selling hope is easy... and people who do not like work will fall for it easy....

Start working for real, make mistakes and go for the stars!

Well the things that all successful people do from Bill Gates to Michael Jordan are always the same more or less: 1. They know exactly what they want 2. They visualize and are emotionally attached to their dreams which means having passion 3. They repeat their dreams over and over again inside their mind 4. They take ACTION towards their goals 5. They believe and have hope in their dreams. For instance actor Will Smith and UFC light heavyweight champion Jon Jones always talk about law of attraction.

So if somebody wants to become rich you have to have a passion for making money and place yourself in a position where you can earn it whether it's playing lottery, poker, starting a new business, sports, working yourself up in the ladder in a established company etc. Whatever it is you HAVE TO take action no matter what. And If its a thing that requires skills you have to practice and improve. If you keep working and stay positive all the time, you will have that massive penis.

Well so i just visualize jumping and i will jump higher?

Man i worked my ass of when i was 16 so i could dunk and it wasn't visualization, but daily jumping at the rim that got me dunking!
When i wanted to improve my 3 point shooting i was practicing every day...
I was not at home laying and visualizing it.
But of course when i wanted to be creative about it i would think how would i do it, but it was just a thought and then plenty of execution.

I stick to the saying; Repetition is the mother of all skill!
Next time guys when you learn a new language just visualize it, you do not need to read, it will just pop in!

Well it has scientifically been proven that when a human is really visualizing and focusing on doing a thing in his mind, the mind activates the muscle memory and creates vibration that are at same rate as when doing it in the real world. That is because the subconcious mind can't distinguish the reality from a vision, image, video or reality itself. To the mind its the same even though we consiously seperate reality from a vision, picture etc. It's also the reason why dreams or nightmares sometimes feel so real that when you wake up you realize it only was a dream. I personally once saw a dream where I was practicing jiu jitsu for hours and when I woke up I was sweating like a pig and the whole bed was covered with sweat. NASA has an astronaut program where astronauts go trough different procedures in the their minds that they will perform in the space in order to program the subconscious mind so that these skills will be deeply internalized. Also lot of atheletes visualizes performing before the event, which improves their focus when they actually are performing. So yes, your mind can improve your skills which totally depends on how your mind is programmed from childhood by the enviroment, parents, friends, media etc.

Magneto;422272 said:

Well it has scientifically been proven that when a human is really visualizing and focusing on doing a thing in his mind, the mind activates the muscle memory and creates vibration that are at same rate as when doing it in the real world. That is because the subconcious mind can't distinguish the reality from a vision, image, video or reality itself. To the mind its the same even though we consiously seperate reality from a vision, picture etc. It's also the reason why dreams or nightmares sometimes feel so real that when you wake up you realize it only was a dream. I personally once saw a dream where I was practicing jiu jitsu for hours and when I woke up I was sweating like a pig and the whole bed was covered with sweat. NASA has an astronaut program where astronauts go trough different procedures in the their minds that they will perform in the space in order to program the subconscious mind so that these skills will be deeply internalized. Also lot of atheletes visualizes performing before the event, which improves their focus when they actually are performing. So yes, your mind can improve your skills which totally depends on how your mind is programmed from childhood by the enviroment, parents, friends, media etc.

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Well sure you can but its like just thinking of it and repeating it like crazy!
They have proven that you need to have few hundred repetitions to have it sink in your subconscious!
I can visualize speaking in front of people and did but once you are center stage you freeze, only constant going out of your comfort zone will get results!

I have to disagree that the mind does not distinguish reality from vision!
If you do not believe me try it!
Visualize comfortably speaking in front of a large crowd and than go and do it!

Once you see how tough it is to do things consistently you see how important it is to practice!
Lazy people will always support this kind of thinking, the most successful people were hard workers!
There is no and never will be any substitution for hard work it will always beat talent with no working habits!

That's why successful people are successful, they do BOTH: visualize and hard work which means taking action. You have to train like a maniac to become for instance a champion in a sport that requires many abilities and skills. The subconsious mind doesn't distinguish reality from the vision but the CONSICOUS mind does, big difference. And here's the thing: IF you wanna have a powerful mind you have to train it as well, like you pointed out. You need to do thousands and milloins of repetition to improve your mind. It's like any skill. If you wanna be a good painter you have to paint a lot. Or a good dancer = dance a lot.. Same thing with the mind. You have to TRAIN the mind every single day of your life. So yes, you're absolutely right. Everything requires hard work.

I see where Alex is coming from but what is being forgotten here is the laws of attraction dont just happen out of nothing for 'lazy' people but they must be what I dub, exposed in part at least to what they are wanting such as help with applying for a new job, it aint going to happen if the person never applies in the first place.

The LOA does work, its everything really from religion and the occult. Check my thread here Magneto you may like it. Arnold is another who was a big visualiser when he lifted weights he would visualise his arms for example being like mountains and yeah he had monster biceps but now is where Alex is getting confused and cynical because he gets confused that we assume just that visualisation has done that ... obviously it hasn't, Arnold had to work his ass off for years and he deserves it all but that positive visual thinking will have helped.

Try getting over cancer with a negative shitty outlook and you wont last long but be positive and it will help you allot. The mind is our most powerful asset and can help turn the wheels into motion of our dreams. Dedication, Desire, Passion, Influence, Leadership, Courage and many more are from the mind and if the person is thinking negative at that moment performing one of those VS thinking positive it will have a drastic difference.

Recently I have read an ancient book from the 1600's and I will quote from it shortly something rather amazing in that even back than they knew something ... these Kabbalists who wrote the book go on to talk about how the memory, mind and visualisation essentially create our own reality! Now we term it LOA ... its the UNIVERSE plain and simple, goes by many names but it is one imo a huge power supply of energy that the entire existence of everything is plugged into.

Magneto;422276 said:

That's why successful people are successful, they do BOTH: visualize and hard work which means taking action. You have to train like a maniac to become for instance a champion in a sport that requires many abilities and skills. The subconsious mind doesn't distinguish reality from the vision but the CONSICOUS mind does, big difference. And here's the thing: IF you wanna have a powerful mind you have to train it as well, like you pointed out. You need to do thousands and milloins of repetition to improve your mind. It's like any skill. If you wanna be a good painter you have to paint a lot. Or a good dancer = dance a lot.. Same thing with the mind. You have to TRAIN the mind every single day of your life. So yes, you're absolutely right. Everything requires hard work.

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Sigil art and positive quatational artwork when used can place the positive thoughts into the subconscious mind to work wonders.

I do get where you guys are going at it, but i must say i see two categories, one are meditation guys who are seeking spiritual values, and people of the earth.
Arnold said that if he did not workout every day as a youngster he felt bad, and his normal routine was 4h per day, so i really think visualization was more like a fantasizing we all do to feel good.

What i fear is that people take this stuff as the biggest thing and leave the most important stuff like consistent work as secondary!
When Stallone made his first movies they rejected him for over 1000 times and when he did get the green light it was under the conditions he does not star in the movie!
Perseverance is the key forgotten.

I studied meditation throughout my young years, but when i look at successful people they work more than others,they do not stop!
Look at Mikey! Would he make this kind of results without thousands of hours of Penis Enlargement?

Would Mikey have made the results if he was negative minded even though he had 1000's of hours in pe? likely not. Optimism is so important and drives successful people on.

well optimism is not visualization, you can work while being optimistic but you cannot operate while visualizing, you need to concentrate on the task at hand! Big difference!

You need to be optimistic in visualising, knowing and believing in what you want to achieve. Yes you have to work at it as I keep saying and no one says you sit on your ass doing nothing and stuff manifests itself nor does any of the new age material I have read say this. Praying to god even needs your input to achieve the goals.

People who are positive, optimistic about life and what they do often do it. They do visualise if they know it or not and many times its by dreaming about the event such as in the future and again knowing or unknowingly they believe in that. As I said in another thread with Quantum Physicists who are much cleverer than any of us incl Mike who is meant to have a high IQ but he wont be able to match them in how they perceive that subject.

Quantum physics conceive that everything is made from energy in the universe we are in 4 dimensions but we know of the 3D. It gets very deep all this and you have your thoughts and I have mine. From experience I have found visualisation, sigil artwork and such works alongside effort to get things done. Something you may know about, I think you already do is the Spirit Molecule which I will write on later.

Just seen a video on that and was quite interesting how researchers use DMT to literally in their eyes and opinions leave the body and travel around the universe ... these people aren't dicks but very intelligent folk from many walks of life and upbringings.

They all mention similar things such as weird shaped like artwork which was meant to represent them as the final layer, again that could coincide with how well sigil art works as possibly we have hidden in us our own sigil giving off energy.

Deep subject and where is the proof? you cant see it physically so is why many doubt it all and dont believe in god because they cant see him yet many of these people are tempted more ways than one in the darker side of life!

If you have NetFlix the entire movie is on this month. If you have not seen it, see it, read it or listen to it...You will get a lot out of it.

This movie is great I watched it back to back 2 1/2 times. It only costs $20 to own it should be in everyone's library.