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Forgot to make this point but regarding prayers to saints, all intercessory prayer, even through the saints, is directed to man's relationship with God.
BANANAxBOY;416292 said:There is nothing incorrect or incomplete about this as far as i'm concerned but maybe you could help me understand otherwise?
BxB
BANANAxBOY;415740 said:There will be a lot of resistance to you reading what i'm about to quote and that is because the devil does not want you to read this, he is VERY manipulative. Try and clear your mind and read this short message.
"The Bible nowhere mentions anyone asking for someone in Heaven to pray for them. The Bible nowhere describes anyone in Heaven praying for anyone on earth. (2) The Bible gives absolutely no indication that Mary or the saints can hear our prayers. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Even glorified in Heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations. How could they possibly hear the prayers of millions of people? Whenever the Bible mentions praying to or speaking with the dead, it is in the context of sorcery, witchcraft, necromancy, and divination - activities the Bible strongly condemns (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-13). The one instance when a "saint" is spoken to, Samuel in 1 Samuel 28:7-19, Samuel was not exactly happy to be disturbed. It is plainly clear that praying to Mary or the saints is completely different from asking someone here on earth to pray for you. One has a strong Biblical basis, the other has no Biblical basis whatsoever." Got Questions Ministries
I copied this because i feel it words my opinions very well. God nowhere says that we should COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD!! I am telling you this because i love you all!! I care for you. Praying to the DEAD will only provide you with FALSE securities. The SPIRITS OF THE DEAD will glady do the LITTLE things that they can to hold you captive.
Please read the HOLY BIBLE, the Word of the LORD, He speaks the Truth through it.
I expect to be bashed for my words of love to YOU.
BxB
REDZULU2003;424344 said:Lets keep this RESPenis EnlargementCTFUL and not insultful. The guy has his core beliefs and so do you, lets respect it and move on. Keep this civilised and not a I know best thread.
REDZULU2003;424351 said:Your very emotional about it is all and its nothing personal but remember that for some here religion is there life and no one else can judge them for it, its a choice of ones choosing. This thread is good but as usual with religious threads emotions run high and can erupt. I'm just gently reminding you of the fact.
Alex DeLarge;417263 said:If I am not mistaken you said y
One more thing, I am a guy that is very interested in spirituality ,quantum mechanics,meditation,mysticism and personal growth in general,in any way shape or form. My journey has led me to meditation as a practical and individual way to truth and happiness and I would recommend it to everyone Little by little as you live in the present moment more and more you will start to realize the people sleepwalking past you in every part of your life, self proclaimed "saved" or religiously-enlightened-touched-by-Jesus people along with priests are the most interesting to observe :blush:
MAXAMEYES;424463 said:I like what Edgar Cayce reported,
"When you pray you talk to God, when you meditate God talks to you."
REDZULU2003;424358 said:I understand. My points were earlier in the thread when the thread creator pulled me up about praying to saints as not allowed which to me is offensive but its his choice and view, I have to respect it but on the same token he needs to respect other folks views and differences.
Shooting for 7";424436 said:I totally understand and respect your points (I am a total convert of Meditation and would suggest the entire planet did this).
However, it dawned on me that perhaps praying, is a form of meditation.
I meditate twice a day, morning and evening (30 minutes each time) and would be interested in your take on what I'm claiming here.
MrFreak;424489 said:Praying to any other person besides God is a sin... even jesus said not to pray to anyone not even him but only the father... but again not tellin u wat to do jst wat I kno
REDZULU2003;424496 said:According to some branches of religion yes but in reality its not a sin. Praying to the Virgin Mary is NOT a sin. Praying to the saints and archangels isn't a sin to me either but again some branches of Christianity and other religions see this as a sin. I respect that but for me Jesus and God do not condemn anyone for that. The saints are actually working through jesus and god for the person who is praying to them whih is forgotten about such as St Jude the saint of lost causes who will pray to the high lord on your behalf.
I know this new age stuff is very caught up inside the universal laws and the energy around us I know all that but it helps to have a 'go between' and that is said with no disrespect. The lord Jesus Christ is such a mediator for humankind, a link to god (Universal powers) all this we perceive as religion and new age theology is really ONE tied in. My core beliefs though obviously are Christianity Church Of England but I'm not a die-hard who takes every word for word but more modernised for today's world, albeit aware of the evils around me while also incorporating my own beliefs into my meditations and prayers to Jesus and God.
That sums it up really ... Religion can be as personal or as impersonal as you make it.
MrFreak;424524 said:.
God said himself he is a jealous god how do think he feels about u praying to other people besides him....