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MAXAMEYES;424521 said:
I would again point out Max-that this issue (how many gods) is still a heated debate. In the Council of Nicea in 345 CE (or AD if youre into jesus) I think, I don't know, sometime in the mid 4th century... that is exactly what they were debating: "How many gods do we have??" The main guy claiming they were different gods was named Arius I think, they outvoted him and decided at that time that Jesus and God were the same guy.
However, many christians to this day consider them separate entities. Mormons for example believe in "Heavenly Father" which is mostly akin to Jehovah/Yahweh, and they believe in Jesus Christ, his son, as was Lucifer the son of god, and the brother of Jesus--but let's not get into that and its racism implications. Back to the point-the reason it was debated is because different clauses in the bible indicate different things. Jesus also said "Father! Why have you forsaken me?" So from that perspective for example, either there ARE 2 gods, father and son, or Jesus talks to himself.... either way it's one of the most fun issues to discuss from the bible IMO.
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MAXAMEYES;424578 said:
God was always "man-like" it is only in recent history-due to science presenting problems to theology that the western god has become a non-physical entity. He's taken other forms as well, like the burning bush for example ya? But let's not forget the comment that "man was created in His image"... which means *drum roll* GOD HAS A Penis EnlargementNIS... my question is why? What does he need a penis for, there's no Ms. God. (ah but there used to be other gods and goddesses which have been stricken out of the doctrines, but they never solved the remaining problems like 2 creations, or manlike god, etc.) Back to the point-you have to know the history of christianity to understand the implications in the bible today.
For example, in the Book of Revelation, it mentions how stars will fall to the Earth. Now this is not possible and can only be explained via the ignorance of the day-they did not realize those stars were the same thing as the Sun, just far away-and absolutely HUGE. They thought meteorites were "falling stars" as they look the same in size and brilliance. That is where the term "falling star" comes from-it IS what people believed at one point. (Just like even today we say "sunrise" and "sunset" even though this too is outdated-the sun does NOT rise, NOR set, but when we thought the Earth was the center of the Universe, around which everything else revolved, those terms were literal. So back to the stars-christians also used to believe that stars in the sky, were holes poked in the curtain of night, shining the light of heaven through! They did used to think their god was a human form entity that lived above us, above the clouds in
"heaven above" and they did (like many other cultures) think that hell was beneath the surface of the Earth, perhaps at the core...
Instead of scrapping the book when proven wrong-the modus operandi is to reinvent what it means-but historically there is no question things like this were written Literally and believed as such.
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Ancient Chinese thought total solar eclipse was a dragon swallowing the sun, so I understand the literal takings of past events on our own knowledge to date. Very interesting thread and pleased more people are involved in this section.
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REDZULU2003;424674 said:
Yes, the Chinese were very superstitious about the sky, eclipses, comets, meteor showers.... really freaked them out. If a ruler was doing poorly (famine, pestilence, whatever) the Confucian Scholars would simply start watching the skies.... find some "event" to point to and claim that he (the emperor) no longer was the "Son of Heaven", ie he no longer had Heaven's decree to rule. And he would be thrown out-this is how the dynasties changed. Confucianism ruled Chinese society for thousands of years, all the way until 1911 when the nationalists took over. And then in 1949, it went communist under Mao ZeDong. There is not much Confucianism left in their culture now... just 100 years later. Mao really stamped out all the old ways.
But I do find Chinese history fascinating. The Chinese could have ruled the Earth for a very long time, they were by far the most advanced for about 2,000 years! They led one voyage all the way to the middle east, led by Eunuchs and found nothing of real interest... they returned and there they stayed until the British forced them open about 100 years ago (open as in to trading). The Great Wall is testimony to the fact that the Chinese had zero interest in outsiders, they thought everyone else was a barbarian and simply wanted to be left alone-finding the rest of the world unworthy to deal with or socialize with. This is true, even though outsiders (Mongolians and Manchurians) ruled China for centuries at times. But it should be noted that these outsiders conformed to the strong culture of China-they really didn't change much as to rule, they had to rule the way the Chinese populace expected or the Confucian Scholars would again throw them out. Anyway, I'll quit babbling now-but Chinese history is very interesting.
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It sure is interesting.
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MAXAMEYES;417244 said:
They would be contradictory if they were in the same book talking about the same people. Like all these old testament books, there were different rules for different people and different consiquences for different people. Therfore they are not contridictory.
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Alex DeLarge;417266 said:
My driving force stands at the title of the thread. I actually agree with you on a lot of your opinions. I don't believe that anyone on this earth has the power to forgive other than The Lord Jesus. I only believe what is biblical and the Bible does not speak of those things.
I have been learning recently that it is more scientific to believe in a creator than it is to believe in an evolution theory although most of the world still believes the other way around, but although i believe there is more proof of a creator than evolution it does not prove God. This is something i thought maybe i could do to help others..... maybe for some it could work, for others maybe not. I will tell you that i believe in God becuase He continually communicates things to me. God says in the bible to trust him with everything we are, that is HUGE!! I attempt to do it regularly and He always looks after me. I fully trust him with my money, in fact just recently i maxed my credit card and had like 30 bucks in my pocket and had no way to pay my bills but, He provided work for me just in the nick of time and i am pulling through now. I also find that when i sincerely tell God "You are Holy" he gives me these feelings of comfort. If i don't worship Him, i never get these feelings. There are many things throughout my life that that just continue to link to God but it took balls to just go for it and commit my life to Him. I think in most cases He will not personally reveal himself to you until you commit.
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I respect what you say and appreciate your good morals.
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My beliefs, I fear, would make most think I suffer from the grandest sense of grandiosity but if my beliefs are true there is no "most", there is only me, so it does not matter what others think as they do not exist. I know existence, you, us, them, this all happened when I opened my eyes and how glorious it is. The stories, the books, the technology, the religions, the universe it is me! YES! It happened when I open my eyes and this perpetual momentum of the illusion of life is wonderful and infinite. For the moment I opened my eyes was also an illusion, for I am timeless, I am without mass, I am without space, I am an eternal energy that is GOD.
Every being needs to realize the above.
Every being needs to realize the above.
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BANANAxBOY;424893 said:
It's page to page, it's not old vs. new testament. The new testament contradicts the old testament and it contradicts itself left and right-that is why one really cannot define what christianity is-its anything you want it to be, just turn the page.
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I just can't let this pass:
Those comments are from one source (God) speaking to one group (Ihis children), they are completely contradictory and in every case diametrically opposed. To attempt otherwise you yourself reduce God to the level of a capricious child throwing a tantrum.
These are quotes "directly" from God himself and they do not contain qualifications nor do they entertain mitigating factors whatsoever. The passages cited do not address clan, tribe, language, religion, country of origin or any other factor of specificity; they do, however, address:
"Fathers" (every father),
"Sons" (every son),
"The Righteous",
"The Wicked",
"Everyone".
I repeat "EVERYONE".
If the meaning, rules and consequences issued from God are subject to change of this magnitude without any prior warning then we are all screwed.
Because it's rather hard to uphold a standard you do not and can not possibly know exists.
Or:
Human beings have had a far greater hand in shaping the Bible as it stands, than you'd like to admit.
Those comments are from one source (God) speaking to one group (Ihis children), they are completely contradictory and in every case diametrically opposed. To attempt otherwise you yourself reduce God to the level of a capricious child throwing a tantrum.
These are quotes "directly" from God himself and they do not contain qualifications nor do they entertain mitigating factors whatsoever. The passages cited do not address clan, tribe, language, religion, country of origin or any other factor of specificity; they do, however, address:
"Fathers" (every father),
"Sons" (every son),
"The Righteous",
"The Wicked",
"Everyone".
I repeat "EVERYONE".
If the meaning, rules and consequences issued from God are subject to change of this magnitude without any prior warning then we are all screwed.
Because it's rather hard to uphold a standard you do not and can not possibly know exists.
Or:
Human beings have had a far greater hand in shaping the Bible as it stands, than you'd like to admit.
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MAXAMEYES;424931 said:
And back to the issue of contradictions vs no contradictions, let me give you a prime example Banana: In the 4 gospels that were allowed to remain in the bible... these guys cannot even agree when Jesus was born, they differ by a number of years.... Now either god is schizophrenic or got hit in the head 3 times or.... at least THREE of the gospels are NOT the "inspired word of God"... only one date and description can be right. That is but ONE example on a pretty important matter I'd say.
We probably all end up believing some form of relationship with God as of our parents believed. Of course your parents could be Christian and you could be Athiest, my point is we probably do not end up branching off to far from the direction our parents raised us. So even if you are Athiest you would still have morals and values close of your own personal beliefs to what a Christian family grew up with if that was in your household. And I'm not saying this is the case for 100% of people I think probably for the majority of people we end up going the way our parents taught us. Not that you would not become of a different religion later in your own life because I know I am nothing like what my parents are, but I do have those core values they taught me from going to church for years and it seaps into what I think about God today even though our belief in God is very different we have very similar beliefs of what is right and wrong.
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What guys claim what dates? Can you point this out to me in the bible please, i am very interested?
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