A Warning To Swank, Skepdick, Shithead

I am all for a respectful tone and adult behavior. As skepdick mentioned, I would like to see where the behavior of the people Kong has identified has been so blatantly disrespectful and degenerative to the forum.

I think that all my criticisms of Kong's statements are actually very valid and I rarely say anything without explanation or support for my statement. After reviewing all of my threads I have seen a definate tone in many of my early posts which I regret employing, as it clearly aggitated a person who had already proved to be highly sensitive to criticism. My points stand, however, and I would add that in our earliest debate I went to enormous lengths to be as inoffensive and gracious as possible, and Kong still accused any critics of personally slandering him and attempting "character assasination." Kong's labeling of anybody that diagrees with him as persoanlly motivated trouble makers is a trend that developed before the current debate.

To posit another example, if I were to post a controversial thread or idea, I would not consider those who disagree and attempt to show why, as having a personal grudge against me. I plan to post some threads in the near future and welcome any commentary, critical or otherwise. I am happy to defend my statements and I do not consider criticism towards me or my sources to be slanderous. I do not believe that differing viewpoints, questions about my interests or biases, and pointed disagreement with my ideas, are personal attacks and useless undertakings. Kong has presented those who consistently criticize him as crude troublemakers who make no commentary on the actual questions of FR and circumcision. A read of the threads will show that this is not the case.

The current debate has opened up many new lines of discussion about FR and circumcision, illuminated previously ignored information, and brought in more commentators. As a whole I would say it has improved the forum and certainly generated more interest. It is through interest and discussion that progress is made - not stagnant adherence to the opinions professed by one individual.

Its good something has been said like this now I believe.

You don't even have to read all the posts to know its gone too far. Its pretty much borderline harassment and the bickering has gone on for too long. Its the instigaters that should be held accountable and rightfully have been IMO.

This issue is very simple, these are THE RULES please follow them.

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There will be no flaming or mean spirited arguing at MOS. The members of this forum will respect one another as in any club atmosphere. Please respect one another’s positions and keep an open mind. If you have issues with another member please present them in a mature, respectful way.


I cant say either side is truly right. I have seen both sides get pretty heated and possibly cross the mean spirited arguing line.

For me I just no longer read anything out of that section anymore. It truly seems like a room of PMSing women sometimes(meant to be a joke). If the posts have certain names attached to them I know there is going to be bickering and simple enough I dont read it. It is unfortunate and it is truly getting old.

jakb said:

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There will be no flaming or mean spirited arguing at MOS. The members of this forum will respect one another as in any club atmosphere. Please respect one another’s positions and keep an open mind. If you have issues with another member please present them in a mature, respectful way.


I cant say either side is truly right. I have seen both sides get pretty heated and possibly cross the mean spirited arguing line.

For me I just no longer read anything out of that section anymore. It truly seems like a room of PMSing women sometimes(meant to be a joke). If the posts have certain names attached to them I know there is going to be bickering and simple enough I dont read it. It is unfortunate and it is truly getting old.

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I got to agree, I will be rewriting the rules to be VERY SPenis EnlargementCIFIC.

I look forward to this and hope that the debate on FR and circumcision can advance in a far more directed and informative fashion.

doublelongdaddy said:

I got to agree, I will be rewriting the rules to be VERY SPenis EnlargementCIFIC.

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Bravo, DLD!! I look forward to reading the rules. At least everybody will be on notice as to what the expectations are. This is a very touchy/thorny area. Reasonable minds can certainly differ with regard to what is acceptable discourse/debate. However, if the members are forewarned about the rules of the game, it certainly makes it more acceptable and less arbitrary for a MOD to intervene and for appropriate sanctions/warnings to be meted out.

Also bravo DLD!

I would definitely like to see kong post in a less aggressive manner and not direct personal insults at the guys that have differing opinions to him. In my opinion it reflects badly on this board.

Much respect to Swank for keeping his cool and replying in an adult fashion and to his persistence when it seems all were against him, admirable.

I am restoring by the way but welcome other points of view.

Look, the problem is not debating the issue or thinking I'm wrong. The problem is just not letting the matter drop. You think I'm wrong, fine, say so and let it drop. Nobody wants to read 147 post threads on how wrong I am. Just bear in mind that those who oppose my ideas usually don't have any proof to back their claims, they say I'm just wrong repeatedly...and that becomes tiresome and very irritating after about the 30th post. If I try to be the big man and let it go, then I have to read how they were right and I gave up...blah blah blah. It's ridiculous. Just, in the future, state your thoughts and let it drop. Ugh!

kong1971 said:

Look, the problem is not debating the issue or thinking I'm wrong. The problem is just not letting the matter drop. You think I'm wrong, fine, say so and let it drop. Nobody wants to read 147 post threads on how wrong I am. Just bear in mind that those who oppose my ideas usually don't have any proof to back their claims, they say I'm just wrong repeatedly...and that becomes tiresome and very irritating after about the 30th post. If I try to be the big man and let it go, then I have to read how they were right and I gave up...blah blah blah. It's ridiculous. Just, in the future, state your thoughts and let it drop. Ugh!

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Eh, not exactly. You are guilty of everything you accuse your critics of. You will go through our posts word for word and contest everything that we say. Oftentimes you post a "fact" that we feel has no basis and we will present an opposing viewpoint and then you will either twist what we said, dodge the question entirely, or resort to an ad hominem attack where you basically say that our opinion is upsurd because we are insecure idiots or some other personal attack. This naturally leaves us in a position where we feel the need to clarify what was said, and it seems that even after hearing the explanation dozens of times you still attempt to use the same faulty logic to make us look like fools.

Look, I understand the fact that you don't want these threads to go on and on and on. But, I, and I think I speak for Swank, Shithead, and others, feel that we are not really the ones responsible for this. While this has been going on in surges for about 3 weeks, there was a period about a week ago where people had calmed down and things were getting back on the actual topics here on the mechanics of FR. And what did Kong do? He posted his "The magical benefits of FR" thread where he very childishly took pokes at Swank and I and then he bumped a bunch of old threads to egg us on. Kong says that we are the ones who won't let things go, but on the contrary, I say he is the one most at fault for that. Trust me, we have gone through tremendous lengths to make our posts in a respectful and concise and to the point manner.

I have said time and time again that the rules need makeing more specific and more harder for those who break them. I belive in the three strikes and your out mode but its not forced upon here in mos and I have in the past noticed members get away with murder in these forums. Its time to make the rules more specific and harder dld.....time to make that change. It isnt makeing MOS more Nazi, thats all crap and it a poor excuse for good rules in a forum. Free Speech is okay but people abuse it. Rules must be made tougher to account for that and the sooner the better because modding at times here is a waste of time.

Also please note, I aint refering to this case or anyone in particuler i.e members or mods.
I also aint takeing sides either. If ANYONE has a problem and thinks they have been treated unfair in a thread by someone than my advice is simple......keep a copy of the thread, copy and paste the evidence, copy the link and send it to DLD and discuss the matter. I would LOVE a open-door policy here like that where members can complain about posts or threads in a manner that they feel can be counted on....e.g they pm DLD....it will get sorted by him, hes the admin etc etc. Swank, Shithead and skepdick could have done this in the start, alongwith Kong and this could have been solved a LONGTIME ago behind the scenes.

REDZULU2003 said:

I have said time and time again that the rules need makeing more specific and more harder for those who break them. I belive in the three strikes and your out mode but its not forced upon here in mos and I have in the past noticed members get away with murder in these forums. Its time to make the rules more specific and harder dld.....time to make that change. It isnt makeing MOS more Nazi, thats all crap and it a poor excuse for good rules in a forum. Free Speech is okay but people abuse it. Rules must be made tougher to account for that and the sooner the better because modding at times here is a waste of time.

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It is not a poor excuse. None of us three have broken a single rule here, Kong has broken a ton repediately by dispespecting US, not the other way around, coupled with the fact that he is a MOD which makes it even WORSE because he is supposed to be above that shit and act level headed.

REDZULU2003 said:

Also please note, I aint refering to this case or anyone in particuler i.e members or mods.
I also aint takeing sides either. If ANYONE has a problem and thinks they have been treated unfair in a thread by someone than my advice is simple......keep a copy of the thread, copy and paste the evidence, copy the link and send it to DLD and discuss the matter. I would LOVE a open-door policy here like that where members can complain about posts or threads in a manner that they feel can be counted on....e.g they pm DLD....it will get sorted by him, hes the admin etc etc. Swank, Shithead and skepdick could have done this in the start, alongwith Kong and this could have been solved a LONGTIME ago behind the scenes.

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Once again, I don't understand why you say that Swank, Shithead, and myself should have handled things differently, we aren't the ones complaining here. All we said is that we are not going to be censored.

I'm locking this thread. Enough has been said.