A Warning To Swank, Skepdick, Shithead

This forum (FR Forum) was mainly Kong's idea. He is the main moderator herein. I've read many of the derogitory remarks coming from the three of you....youre all equally guilty. These go way beyond "free speech" and "open debate". Many of your comments are blatantly disrespectful and seem to serve no other purpose than to discredit what Kong is saying.

Once again, the forum rules apply. There are no exceptions anywhere. Does not matter if you dislike a certain forum member....dunno how a conclusion could be drawn on liking someone online based on not actually knowing them in person...but still. You must still respect them as a forum member. You do not have to agree with everything they post. You can can disagree, and even post that you disagree, but do so tactfully. There's no need for disrespect.

Enough said. If it comes up again, the offending party/ies will be banned...no more warnings!!

Please cite where my posts have contained personal malice or have been stated in a thoughtless and aggressive fashion. Please cite where the points I have raised as issue in debate are not warranted or realavent. Please show me examples of where I have not debated tactfully.

I do not believe it is appropriate or warranted to ban any member participating in this attempted censorship reflects poorly on the board. My posting and that of others has in no way been remeniscent of 'trolling' or even particularly disruptive. A read of the threads will make this clear to anybody.

It just never ends...

The fact that you even had to reply...instead of just being a man, and saying, ok maybe I do need to chill out some. Point made.

It is an open forum, and if I am being threatened with a ban from the forum for conduct, I would expect some citations of said violations.

I would also say that standing up for yourself and standing by your positions is being a man.

It is clear you two don't like what I post, to which I am indifferent, but it is not clear what exactly has been done to constitute permanent banisHydromaxent from the forum.

Swank, we all see through the ploy. "I'm going to sit here and keep yammering and questioning until they can't stand it anymore and nobody wants to read this crazy FR stuff anymore." Please, for your sake, just let it drop and turn your considerable intellect toward something productive here at mos. Instead of trying to discredit something you have every right not to believe in, you should put your energy toward supporting something you DO believe in!

Swank said:

..... but it is not clear what exactly has been done to constitute permanent banisHydromaxent from the forum.

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Most of us are intelligent men, otherwise we probably wouldnt be here. This should be clear enough:

The simple fact that you guys seemingly have the main objective of punching holes in what Kong has to say because he happens to be very passionate about FR, and you are not supports what I am saying. You dont have to agree with him. You can say you disagree, but making him out to be a moron, or a liar, or an extremist...that's going overboard and being disrespectfull. You would not go to the hangers forum, or elsewhere and start trying to discredit (see disrespect) the most vocal poster in that forum. You can tactfully argue a point, but you dont have to keep beating the horse after it is dead. Kong believes what he does. If you dont support what he posts so be it. You can be a mature individual and read/post elsewhere on the MOS forums. Taking every opportunity you can to try and discredit the guy is disrespect. The fact that you dont let up, you keep replying and keep arguing is disrespect. Again, youre free to disagree, but dont keep throwing dirt in the guys' face and making it a point to try and discredit every other thing he posts about.

If you dont support FR, go elsewhere.

Thanks for the reply SWM.

I do read and contribute in other forums on MOS. In fact I recently posted pictures in the proof section and I intend to construct a serious Penis Enlargement routine for myself in the near future. A quick look at my posting history will show that I have added comments on a variety of topics.

It seems the issue on FR is confused again - I have no problem with FR. You are correct in saying that I would not go to the hanger's forum and be critical, because I see no fault or anything objectioniable in the posts I have seen there.

I find many of Kong's claims to be factually incorrect or unsupportable. Some of Kong's claims, so far that I have seen, are not supported by the FR community as a whole, but are simply his own conjectures. It is sheer fallacy to suggest I am against FR or those who are interested in it.

I have called attention to the fact that I find many of Kong's claims to be inaccurate and explained why. In every case this has a created an argument with Kong.

I do not simply call Kong names or needlessly attempt to slander him. The majority of my posts are detailed, carefully phrased explanations of my opinions and my reasoning. I have made efforts to keep it out of the personal arena and remain on topic. It is Kong who has begun the practice of calling any objection to his information, claims, or opinions, as nothing more than personal slander and character assasination. I believe that a reading of the threads in their whole will demonstrate this point.

I have repeatedly suggested that people ought to just read the threads as I feel they vindicate all of my points. I am confident in the quality of my conduct and stand by it. I feel I have kept my tone at a more adult and gracious level than Kong the majority of the time, and a read of the threads will show that Kong himself is a frequent perpetrator of petty insults and less than mature conduct.

So, once again restating my own advice to all, read the threads and see for yourselves. The point here is to have differing opinions, and not just as an occassional novelty objection. The debates have shown that there is a contingent of men who disagree with the factuality and basis underlying many of Kong's claims. The input from a different view ought to be welcome as a greater percentage of men are represented.

Kong is not being slandered personally by virtue of the fact that it happens to be his opinions that I disagree with. If there were others, I would disagree with them as well. If anybody else would like to take up Kong's positions, I am more than happy to defend my stances to any individual. Kong is the main, and often only advertiser of his ideas, so it is him that gets questioned. I would certainly say I have never repeatedly thrown dirt in his face. If I have sunken to pure meanspiritedness, I'd like to see an example of it where Kong had not already behaved in a similar manner. I can show examples where Kong has been needlessly insulting.

I support any man who wants to FR - but I also support factually correct information, open debate, and a variety of opinions. I do not support one person's ideas and claims being the only acceptable opinion, and any vocal and consistent dissent being squashed with threat.

That is essentially what this is all about - Kong is okay with an occassional "I don't think so" here and there, but he is uncomfortable with a consistent challenge and evaluation of his ideas. My opinion is that when you make claims on a public forum, they're open to evaluation and criticism at all times for as long as anyobdy sees fit, so long as the debate is topical and constructive. If I continue to see inconsistencies and questionable claims, I feel no need to censor myself. One always has the choice of if and how they will react.

See? :s

Well, this is just like any other conversation with swank. I'm outta here gang. See you in a couple days. Have fun dealing with this, still. He just never lets it drop, which is the main contributor to my losing my temper on more than one occasion. That's his way, tho. Question, discredit, plead his innocence and then repeat...endlessly....endlessly...

Well if so desired, I'll end on this statement - I have absolutly no intention of changing the manner or frequency with which I post.

(This post is exactly the same as the reply i posted in Reds warning)

I've just spent the last while going through every single post i've made in the FR section and there is never a single post by me that speaks out against FR, "slags" off at FR, or discredits FR it in any way.

I've also looked for any disrespectful attacks i have made directly at Kong, and i did find 1, BUT ONLY ONE. So...

(I won't repeat the apology i wrote in Reds thread coz it'll just belittle it.)


So now, as far as im concerned this warning has nothing to do with me.

1) This forum HAS gotton out of hand but there is a reason. The debate was contained in a single thread or two here and it was Kong that basically bumped a ton of old outdated threads and said "bumped for Swank and Skepdick." Clearly he was egging us on to post in those threads. So now we have like 10 threads all near the top of the forum taht all contain a variation of the same argument. But, as I said, us "trouble makers" only started a minority of them. If there was an ongoing debate about the legitamacy of FR in one thread here, that would not mess up the forum as it has been. But yeah, Swank, Shithead, and myself are NOT the ones to blame for the vast number of DIFFERENT threads here with FR debates.

2) Swank, Shithead, and myself may have gotton a little put off a few times with Kong, but I have yet to see any one of us personally attack him. We do't call him names, he don't say he's stupid, and idiot, nothing of the sort. ON THE CONTRARY, Kong has repediately insulted us and called us all of these names and many more. I hope I don't even need to go into the details of all that he has said, if anyone contends that Kong has not taken personal shots at us then just say so and I will be happy to dig up a dozen or so specific quotes to say so.

3)The forum is supposed to be about free speech as long as the members are not posting illegal material and/or personally attacking the other members. Unless the forum guidelines are wrong, none of us have broken these guidelines.

4)I am still waiting to hear from an ADMIN about this, as opposed to a select group of MODS here posting their personal opinion. As I see it, I have not broken any of the rules here so until an ADMIN points out to me something that I have done wrong, I don't think that I should be forced to end the FR debate.

My suggestion is that we close all of the threads that have gotton out of hand except for maybe one and continue things there. A few threads with good information will be closed, but once again, Swank, Shithead, and myself are truly not the ones to blame for that. Peace.

Skepdick

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5)Ban away if you so desire, but you guys will look like a bunch of Nazis if you chose to go down that road.

The Admins, nor DLD need get involved.

It's the moderators job to make sure people are behaving, going by the rules set forth, to move threads, close threads etc, make sure the forum runs smoothly for the most part.

So enough already.

Everything that I would have said was already done beforehand, so I will just add that I am totally with skepdick, swank, and shithead on this. You people keep talking about the "disrespect" coming from skepdick, swank, or shithead towards kong, but where is this disrespect? I think some people need to re-define what disrespect is. Calling kong out on his incredulous claims, especially recently, is considered disrespect when nothing else is involved? Is questioning kongs "studies" without any derogatory statements disrespect?

What about the first thread that started all of this, calling all males who are uncut "pseudo-males"? I guess since kong is the reason that the FR forum is here, he is not capable of shouting disrespect at others. We all know that kong is more than passionate about FR...but once again "we" are not against it. I am against the incredulous claims, the disparaging comments, and those damn studies who involve a total of way less than than .000001% (literally) of the population in which are supposed to give everyone a reason to believe in everything the study has concluded. Kong uses these lame-ass studies to make him look smart. I will stop rambling.

I am sorry but I do fully support FR yet I cannot see where the so called "trouble makers" are making trouble, all I see they are doing is debating a heated discussion scattered accross threads. If someone wants to make a bold statement and preach something new such as FR then you have to be prepared for come backs and criticism. Kong don't give in, but fight your corner of what you beleive.
I personally feel that this statement still;
"The fact that you even had to reply...instead of just being a man, and saying, ok maybe I do need to chill out some. Point made."
Is very unfair.

Repost from the thread I made in here


Okay lets get this ended once and for all.
Lets ALL agree who enters this section to be more thoughtful when posting, and show more respect and caution. Kong has made a complaint so we get involved, a member of the forums isnt happy....thats Kong so I and Still have taken it upon us to check it out. This public thread is best, because it isnt single'ing peole out...I cant speak for others, but my thread isnt targetting a certain person or persons...no names are mentioned. I have kept it professional. All I want is for whoever keeps getting on Kongs nerves to please tone it down and stop doing so. I have seen the amount of argumentative threads posted in here and it isn't fair. If you have something negative to say, thats fine....infact I promote it at my site on constriction, go and see. If its done mature and sensible than thats fine, but alot of the talk in here has been bashing and just going on and on non-stop when the runner of the section [Kong] has clearly stated he doesnt want to keep hearing it. Please lets let this drop. Turn over a new leaf now, lets get normal and start being more freindley in this fucking section. This is infact a main reasons why I NEVER come in here....its too hostile at times. Please lets just move on and stop going on and on about the same things, bashing the same things and people even. Sometimes its best for those who appear to live in this section to move about more in the other sections, that way they wont be so absorbed in this FR and get so damn obsessed with it. None of you can call me....I have been VERY fair....I havent named a single person on here, names have been assumed, but I aint said a word. A fair warning has been given to all who come in this section and if trouble keeps going on than warnings will be given. Next route of action after that is a ban. This type of order is Unrest, its creating unrest in this section ATM. Anyway, lets just move on and try to change. This will be probably and hopefully the lastime you hear from me in this section unless I'm called upon. But mark my words, I wont hesitate to get permission in banning anyone who keeps takeing the piss in here.

REDZULU2003 said:

Okay lets get this ended once and for all.
Lets ALL agree who enters this section to be more thoughtful when posting, and show more respect and caution.

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Or any section for that matter.

Since I am apparently one of the "trouble makers" can someone please point me to a specific quote that I made that was disrespectful?

A while back on another thread where banning was threatened I posted a particular concern I have about free speech and banning members on the site. I suggested that criteria be developed so that everyone would know the rules by which the forum is governed. To date, I have not seen anything published. I think it is time to consider my suggestion again. This is a very serious matter that should be given due consideration. I have followed closely the back and forth on this topic and have to say that I fail to see how the three gents who are the subject of the warning in this thread have crossed the line. It is true, they have expressed their beliefs and have done so in a very articulate manner. Being articulate can be perceived as very threatening to some. But they have not crossed the line. Of course, this is just my opinion, and others are entitled to their views as well. Far more serious in my view is someone posting on someone else's thread about his wife (didn't show her face) that the face was probably not shown because she is fucking ugly. Now that is hurtful and comes far closer to warranting a banning warning than the discussion I have read on FR.

DLD my friend, until you heed my advice, you will continue to be plagued by this issue.