Why are water pumps safer than air pumps?

[CokeCanCock]

Title says it all

 

[DLD]

Air pumps are notorious for causing blisters, discoloration and retention. Water pumps give the same intensity but the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] will not cause the issues air pumps do. Also, expansion in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] when training correctly brings tissue expansion instead of water retention. It is hard to take on water when you are submerged in water.

 

[CokeCanCock]

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I see, so it's the water that makes the difference? I imagine [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bath mate[/words] to be quite pleasurable with warm water, definitely need to get one after this semester.

 

[acromegaly]

you can put water in any tube if you want to try, but something about [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] in particular works super well. when the gaitor is compressed it hits your girth like crazy. [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] extreme ftw

 

[CokeCanCock]

you can put water in any tube if you want to try, but something about [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] in particular works super well. when the gaitor is compressed it hits your girth like crazy. [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] extreme ftw

Whats the gaitor? and do you use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x40[/words]? Which [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bath mate[/words] is your favorite?

 

[acromegaly]

Whats the gaitor? and do you use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]x40[/words]? Which [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bath mate[/words] is your favorite?

Gaitor is the rubber bottom part you press against your body. The extreme models are the best because it has a hand pump

 

[MoreThanLuck]

Air pumps are notorious for causing blisters, discoloration and retention. Water pumps give the same intensity but the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] will not cause the issues air pumps do. Also, expansion in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] when training correctly brings tissue expansion instead of water retention. It is hard to take on water when you are submerged in water.

So if we say that discoloration comes from broken capillaries at the surface of the skin due to forced expansion of the structure at higher pressures. Would it be safe to assume then that since the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] doesn't cause that same discoloration affect, its because the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] doesn't produce the same pressure levels as an air pump does? This may be inconsequential, since we've regarded 5 hg as the goto 'max' pressure one should use to achieve safe expansion. The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] may already hit this level.

 

[Max Whitewood]

So if we say that discoloration comes from broken capillaries at the surface of the skin due to forced expansion of the structure at higher pressures. Would it be safe to assume then that since the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] doesn't cause that same discoloration affect, its because the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] doesn't produce the same pressure levels as an air pump does? This may be inconsequential, since we've regarded 5 hg as the goto 'max' pressure one should use to achieve safe expansion. The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] may already hit this level.

I can never get a straight answer on this.... I cant trust people saying it safe and nothing to worry about as they maybe affiliates and just schilling... yet people do injure themselves and I haven't come across a way to accurately test pressure

 

[acromegaly]

U can still get discoloration with [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bm[/words]

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

In my estimation I've had 1000 +/- sessions in my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] with the vacuvin mod and I have no idea how much 5 hg is, but I would bet I exceed it by double. I used the stock [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] for about a week before I discovered the mod and I'm thankful I had that introductory time to get accustomed to the basic pressure and what my body could take.
The mod takes this apparatus to a whole new level, but it's definitely not without risk and your personal learning-curve. I kind of have a dark complexion, (Sicilian/Mexican/German descent) and there's a somewhat noticeable line of demarcation where just below the glans, down to about mid-shaft, I'm darker...this wasn't like this before I began my PE. I have also over-trained and got tiny red bumps on my glans, (went away in a day or so) made a small rupture in my urethra (one little droplet of blood was in the water) and used to get one hellova donut, (but that has subsided significantly and it always went back to 'normal' after a few hours). I don't believe these injuries, (although minor) would have occurred with the standard [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] set-up...furthermore, I'm certain the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] manufacturers have built-in plenty of safety on their new 'Extreme' models so as not to let users go completely 'gung-ho', (unlike the Vacuvin where you can almost feel your dick explode at max pressure...heck, I don't think I've been able to max-out the VV...something to work toward, I guess

 

[MaxRichards]

So if we say that discoloration comes from broken capillaries at the surface of the skin due to forced expansion of the structure at higher pressures. Would it be safe to assume then that since the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] doesn't cause that same discoloration affect, its because the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] doesn't produce the same pressure levels as an air pump does? This may be inconsequential, since we've regarded 5 hg as the goto 'max' pressure one should use to achieve safe expansion. The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] may already hit this level.

But [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] *does* cause discoloration for many people, just like any other high pressure pumping.

Infact, I never received the permanent discoloration from air pumps like I have from [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]... but at the same time, my girth didn't (permanently) increase as much as it did after using [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words].

 

[CokeCanCock]

Hmm I struggle to see the difference beyond pressure being pressure.

 

[acromegaly]

Hmm I struggle to see the difference beyond pressure being pressure.

Get a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bath mate[/words] bro, they aren't paying me to come on here and promote I just care about people and try to help.
Try an air pump, then try a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bath mate[/words] you will see and feel the difference.

 

[CokeCanCock]

Get a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bath mate[/words] bro, they aren't paying me to come on here and promote I just care about people and try to help.
Try an air pump, then try a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bath mate[/words] you will see and feel the difference.

Yeah, well i'll be working in summer, so will probably get [words=http://TLCTugger.com/MOS]VLC[/words], [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] then [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]length master[/words]. Unless I win the month prize before then.

 

[DLD]

In my estimation I've had 1000 +/- sessions in my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] with the vacuvin mod and I have no idea how much 5 hg is, but I would bet I exceed it by double. I used the stock [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] for about a week before I discovered the mod and I'm thankful I had that introductory time to get accustomed to the basic pressure and what my body could take.
The mod takes this apparatus to a whole new level, but it's definitely not without risk and your personal learning-curve. I kind of have a dark complexion, (Sicilian/Mexican/German descent) and there's a somewhat noticeable line of demarcation where just below the glans, down to about mid-shaft, I'm darker...this wasn't like this before I began my PE. I have also over-trained and got tiny red bumps on my glans, (went away in a day or so) made a small rupture in my urethra (one little droplet of blood was in the water) and used to get one hellova donut, (but that has subsided significantly and it always went back to 'normal' after a few hours). I don't believe these injuries, (although minor) would have occurred with the standard [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] set-up...furthermore, I'm certain the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] manufacturers have built-in plenty of safety on their new 'Extreme' models so as not to let users go completely 'gung-ho', (unlike the Vacuvin where you can almost feel your dick explode at max pressure...heck, I don't think I've been able to max-out the VV...something to work toward, I guess

Very true, with the Wine-Vac you will not find another pump that can give that much vacuum. As far as men who get discoloration from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words], they are in the tube too long. It has been taught here that 5 minutes is the perfect time to stop and start a set of jelqing for 5 minutes. This process eliminates any issues men would have with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words]. Over pumping in water or air will only cause retention. Another thing to consider is men who use the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] make and retain girth gains while men who air pump mainly retain water and go back to their original size. There is good reason the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] is as popular as it is, it works safely and brings amazing gains.

 

[MaxRichards]

As far as men who get discoloration from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words], they are in the tube too long.

Based on my experiences, I think there is more to it than that.

Ever since my original discoloration flare up (which happened very suddenly) and the subsequent break from [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words], I have gone back to using it for short, sub 5 minutes bursts, massaging and rolling in between sets. The discoloration still persists.

I think that once you reach a certain thresh-hold and micro-bleed out into your skin with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] (or any high pressure pump), then that's it. It's permanently Mr stripy/multi-colour monster unless you go cold turkey for a very long time.

Skin type could also play a part with white skin discolouring much more severely and maybe even body/dick fat% and skin thickness plays a part too... with thicker skin not showing discoloration as much as thin and lighter skin.

I think there is a lot more to learn about this type of discoloration and hopefully there is a way to make it subside quicker without having to quit PE and without having to burn layers of skin off with chemicals.

 

[MaxRichards]

What I also find interesting is the very distinct pattern of discoloration. It mainly happens mid shaft, fully discoloured above and on the sides but underneath (where the "seam" is) there is no discoloration. And why the F does the base not discolour either? Is it because the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words]'s [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]gaiter[/words] compresses that area of the penis, not allowing full expansion and therefore skin bleed?

Unsolved mysteries...

 

[DLD]

Based on my experiences, I think there is more to it than that.

Ever since my original discoloration flare up (which happened very suddenly) and the subsequent break from [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words], I have gone back to using it for short, sub 5 minutes bursts, massaging and rolling in between sets. The discoloration still persists.

I think that once you reach a certain thresh-hold and micro-bleed out into your skin with the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Bathmate[/words] (or any high pressure pump), then that's it. It's permanently Mr stripy/multi-colour monster unless you go cold turkey for a very long time.

Skin type could also play a part with white skin discolouring much more severely and maybe even body/dick fat% and skin thickness plays a part too... with thicker skin not showing discoloration as much as thin and lighter skin.

I think there is a lot more to learn about this type of discoloration and hopefully there is a way to make it subside quicker without having to quit PE and without having to burn layers of skin off with chemicals.

But does the discoloration fade or is it permanent after your sessions? There is always going to be discoloration from pumping, always, but it is, in most cases, temporary.

 

[templnite]

I've heard of uneven darkening too but whenever I get it its evenly throughout

 

[MaxRichards]

But does the discoloration fade or is it permanent after your sessions? There is always going to be discoloration from pumping, always, but it is, in most cases, temporary.

Seems permanent, or very very long term at the least. I went cold turkey (5+ weeks of no [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words]/pumping/girthwork) and did apple cider vinegar and Retinol tests with poor results/minimal fade... now I have some Amlactin on order because I really would like to sort this hemosiderin shit out.

Anyway, went back to Bathmating. Since my dick was un-showable, figured that I'd just continue what I started while avoiding women for a while!

Edit: Just been reading up about it and lasers seem promising... the question is, who will develop the first home use, self applied dick laser?

"Typically there is no cream they can readily remove the iron out of the skin. Treatment for this is better suited by laser therapy. Specifically, the Q switch laser can be very effective. But this may take multiple treatments to get complete clearance."

"In the case of hemosiderin/iron staining of the skin, lasers that target the iron in the tissues (IPL laser, YAG laser, Alexandrite laser, and Pulse dye laser) are effective."

 

[templnite]

Actually in 2032 all cocks would come with a laser integrated

 

[CokeCanCock]

Actually in 2032 all cocks would come with a laser integrated

Then every PE warrior becomes a jedi

 

[CokeCanCock]

Seems permanent, or very very long term at the least. I went cold turkey (5+ weeks of no [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words]/pumping/girthwork) and did apple cider vinegar and Retinol tests with poor results/minimal fade... now I have some Amlactin on order because I really would like to sort this hemosiderin shit out.

Anyway, went back to Bathmating. Since my dick was un-showable, figured that I'd just continue what I started while avoiding women for a while!

Edit: Just been reading up about it and lasers seem promising... the question is, who will develop the first home use, self applied dick laser?

"Typically there is no cream they can readily remove the iron out of the skin. Treatment for this is better suited by laser therapy. Specifically, the Q switch laser can be very effective. But this may take multiple treatments to get complete clearance."

"In the case of hemosiderin/iron staining of the skin, lasers that target the iron in the tissues (IPL laser, YAG laser, Alexandrite laser, and Pulse dye laser) are effective."

Badjackk has a lot of discoloration, I think he just deals with it.

 

[Munto]

I've never tried air pumping but as far as I understand it with water pumping you get...

• Greater tissue expansion
• Less fluid retention

And it's the tissue expansion you're after and not the fluid retention and you can minimize it even more
by going into Super Sets like 5x5x3 [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] Routine

 

[CokeCanCock]

I've never tried air pumping but as far as I understand it with water pumping you get...

• Greater tissue expansion
• Less fluid retention

And it's the tissue expansion you're after and not the fluid retention and you can minimize it even more
by going into Super Sets like 5x5x3 [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] Routine

is that just cause of the water? I got a cylinder which I can use with water

 

[huge-girth]

Title says it all

From what I have heard, air pumping is the notorious B.I.G of blisters.

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

the superior density of water allows for greater pressure with more stability...in car-speak it would be torque vs. horsepower

 

[DLD]

the superior density of water allows for greater pressure with more stability...in car-speak it would be torque vs. horsepower

Excellent Comparison!

 

[Chaoskampf]

I can never get a straight answer on this.... I cant trust people saying it safe and nothing to worry about as they maybe affiliates and just schilling... yet people do injure themselves and I haven't come across a way to accurately test pressure

I have both. The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Goliath[/words] unmodded seems to work up until 10inHg. Using the Mityvac I don't pump higher than 6 inHg anymore, just too painful. 10 inHg is so painful that you can't keep it for more than 10 seconds. If you watch adult entertainment while pumping and get really, really horny then you might want to go to 10 inHg for just a few seconds because it takes off the edge.

The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is really different because it stays attached when walking around. I can't really do that with the Standard Cylinder. Also the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is really gentle to the base. Unfortunately the balls hang outside and then it may create pressure on the spot between shaft and scrotrum.

The minium pressure for the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] should be around 3 inHg, otherwise it should fall off. So quite sure that you are never below 3 inHg.

By the way the Mityvac handpump scale goes up to 30 inHg so I guess that would be the ultimate negative pressure.

 

[DLD]

I have both. The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Goliath[/words] unmodded seems to work up until 10inHg. Using the Mityvac I don't pump higher than 6 inHg anymore, just too painful. 10 inHg is so painful that you can't keep it for more than 10 seconds. If you watch adult entertainment while pumping and get really, really horny then you might want to go to 10 inHg for just a few seconds because it takes off the edge.

The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is really different because it stays attached when walking around. I can't really do that with the Standard Cylinder. Also the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] is really gentle to the base. Unfortunately the balls hang outside and then it may create pressure on the spot between shaft and scrotrum.

The minium pressure for the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98 ]Bathmate[/words] should be around 3 inHg, otherwise it should fall off. So quite sure that you are never below 3 inHg.

By the way the Mityvac handpump scale goes up to 30 inHg so I guess that would be the ultimate negative pressure.

Good reviews!