I have this relative and he and I were talking about women and sex.He is a few years older than me so he was giving me advice on his experience.He said a Doctor told him if he would drink wine about an hour before sex it would thin the blood and pump more into the penis. what do you guys think?
What a Doctor said
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REDZULU2003
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Sorry, but I must correct you Gandolf.
TO MUCH ALCOHOL hinders erections.
A small amount of alcohol actually HELPS erections.
And this is nothing what I read somewhere but I experienced in the last 20years (ya ya, I know, nice guys don't start drinking with 15 but I was never a nice guy) with different levels of alcohol.
pole
an ex girlfriend of mine had got me drunk off beer,and after the beer was done she made me drink a whole lot of wine.My dick got so hard it hurt--i guess its true--i also heard wine is good for ur heart
Hmm, your experience with this boys? I have heard that wine is good for your heart, but don't know what impact it has on erections... what do you think, any sEXPERIENCE with this? 
Zambrodom3;619055 said:Hmm, your experience with this boys? I have heard that wine is good for your heart, but don't know what impact it has on erections... what do you think, any sEXPERIENCE with this?
I only drink red wine and I have also heard that it has a good effect on the heart but I have also heard people saying just the opposite. For me, red wine represents the Blood of Christ and that makes it impossible for me to abuse.
doublelongdaddy;619107 said:
In what sense abuse? Abuse as drink too much or abuse as drinking at all?
Zambrodom3;619134 said:
I will never abuse it, I allow myself to have a glass of wine daily, plus mass wine during church. When I was suffering with alcohol abuse I prayed to God with my whole heart to help me get better and I heard back in prayer that if I stuck with red wine I would never abuse it or have problems and since then I have not had any problems. Praise God for how he works in wondrous ways.
Huh. I drink a little alcohol almost every day too, mostly cognac or scotch mixed with water, although good red wine is my absolute favorite. It's just too expensive for me to drink every day. Plus my girl drinks like a damn fish. Anyway, I've always had good eq but I never thought booze had anything to do with that. It would seem like you would want the blood to be thicker, not thinner. I guess I could look it up to understand it more but I'll just take your guys' word for it. Cheers!
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tb007;619220 said:
HAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And when the blood is thicker- the bloodflow and vascularity would not be as good.
Sure, the thinner blood will fill your dick more easily but wouldn't a dick full of thicker blood feel harder?Zambrodom3;619243 said:
Anyway, studies show that a single glass of red wine on a night will indeed do you good, lengthening your life by about an hour on average, but that a second will have no affect on your health and a third will take away the benefit. It's all down hill after that.
This is, however, a general rule and amounts will likely vary from person to person. To the best of my knowledge, there is no known sexual benefit but that doesn't mean one doesn't exist.
Shenlong;619293 said:
About the vascularity- I guess that since aome arteries are very thin- if the blood is thick it will have a hard time passing through and will therefore slow down the vascularity process and if the blood is thinner- it can move freely much faster I guess...
And about the wine- i've heard it is healthy as well, yes. But only red wine though. White wine...... I've read nothing good about it.
Shenlong;619293 said:
Zambrodom3;619295 said:
thinner blood wont lead to better erections. neither will thicker blood. both are associated with various medical conditions or medications and if a man is dealing with either of those it is likely his cardiovascular health is poor and his erections will very likely be suffering.
there is actually no real proof that red wine is beneficial that i have ever come across. the big deal with that started with resveratrol. a couple decades or so ago scientist find out how great resveratrol is and that is in grapes and wine so the many in vitro and animal studies are done and those studies show promising health benefits. of course in that reasearch they use doses MUUUUUUCH higher then anything anyone could every drink or eat. so then companies make nutraceuticals and sell them all over the place and alcohol/wine producers pay big bucks to say drink a glass of wine every day. no health benefits to it unless it makes you happy and you dont over indulge frequently.
then some people argue look in europe like italy and france. they drink wine as young teens and pretty much every day and they live so long. those countries only have a life expectancy 3-4 years longer then me in the U.S. they are also becoming more americanized in their eating habits.
so there is as much benefit to drinking a glass of red wine as there is to eating a cookie every night. if you live a healthy life style around those things you are good to go for the most part.
resveratrol is just a marketing tool
Wow... didn't know that about wine.... I guess you are right, nowadays companies tend to asy whatever is in their interest to just make people buy something...
And about the better erection thingy- I don't know for sure, but I remember reading RED using an aspirin to thin his blood before a clamping session.... So it must have made some difference, I don't know.
And about the better erection thingy- I don't know for sure, but I remember reading RED using an aspirin to thin his blood before a clamping session.... So it must have made some difference, I don't know.
I don't think it matters what kind of alcohol as long as you only drink one or two units a day. I've read that alcohol has kind of a solvent property on the blood vessels, thinning the blood and making it less sticky so cholesterol will be less likely to build up. I think wine is probably the best form because it has the optimal alcohol content (12-14%) plus the added benefit of the resveratrol and polyphenols from the grapes, which are generally thought to be very powerful antioxidants.
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For me it is freedom to be able to enjoy a red wine without having to abuse it. For so much of my life I abused the things that brought me pleasure until there was no pleasure left. Today I have become very disciplined in pleasures and practice moderation because I do not want to lose that privilege. A friend told me once that drinking is a privilege and when you fuck it up you lose the privilege.
doublelongdaddy;619389 said:
It is just that when you do something rarely- it gets to keep its "specialness", but the more you do it- it no longer means the same to you.
That applies to everything in life, not just drinking.Zambrodom3;619332 said:
well of course anything is possible to some extent but unlikely. i think it was just his mind playing with him b/c of course he wanted it to work. if he did it regularly it probably would have proven to not provide quicker gains or better expansion. and if it were actually able to be recreated in a clinical setting with variable and what not controlled for and double blind it would likely prove to not work. just an educated guess. and somewhere among the MAAAAANNNNY studies that have been performed and client feedback to doctors on aspirin use...better erections would have been reported. there are some reports link it to ED though. buuuut very few.
tb007;619347 said:
the doses of resveratrol that have shown to be beneficial were done in vitro and in mice. and those doses when calculated over to a full grown adult would be way more then a person could drink in a day or a week b/c the amount in wine and grapes is low. they super dose in studies. even the resveratrol supplements dont come close to the doses that were ever researched and clinically studied. alcohol has no solvent effect in the blood stream. thin blood has nothing to do with preventing cholesterol from building up. that has to do with damage and inflammation to the lining of the arteries. that is why so many people are on cholesterol lowing med but the heart attack/stroke rates are still rising. it also depends on what type of cholesterol a person has more of. there is different types of HDL and LDL. not all LDL is bad. some cholesterol sticks to damages wall. some doesn't. a person can be on blood thinners, cholesterol reducing meds, hypertension meds and have all there labs looking good including cholesteroland a normal BP and still drop dead of a heart attack. it happens all the time.
now 1 drink a night isn't going to hurt anyone. it could hurt a very unhealthy person whose CV system is inflamed and the arteriole walls are damaged. but whter they drink a glass of wine or night they are at a great risk of sudden death anyways.
Zambrodom3;619438 said:It is just that when you do something rarely- it gets to keep its "specialness", but the more you do it- it no longer means the same to you.
it doesn't have to lose its specialness in all cases i don't believe. and in the case of a glass of wine it doesn't have to be considered special by a person to be very enjoyable even if it is consumed nightly. it really depends on the person and what it is. a surfer could surf every day for most of their entire life and it never lose it specialness to them. first example that came to my mind
smerc;619473 said:
as far as i know those studies were done the same way. we don't get anywhere near the amount used in the in vitro and animal studies through our food or supplements. sure it isn't harmful to us but we are getting as much anti disease benefits as the studies show using there methods
smerc;619480 said:
no i was quoting you. when it comes to proanthocyanidin all studies are in vitro and animal. i never and haven't been able to come across any human trials. and there likely never will be any. below is one article where the last 2 paragraphs are the same point i am making about resveratrol and proanthocyanidins.
Proanthocyanidins - Powerful Flavonoid Antioxidants You Should Add to Your Diet
then there are these study abstracts i found quickly
Antixoidant activity of proanthocyandins
Anticancer activity of proanthocyanidins
Proanthocyanidins and Doxorubicin
but then i just came across this nice page which i am enjoying and shows some human studies with proanthocyanidin. some promising. some iffy. some no goes
NYU Langone Medical Center
gotta love having all the knowledge in the world at our finger tips. but the only problem is there to much interesting stuff. now i reading about proanthocyanidin instead of sleeping lol
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Here is what I found in terms of why I am taking them.
Pycnogenol, French maritime pine bark extract, augments endothelium... - PubMed - NCBI
Pycnogenol® effects on skin elasticity and hydration coincide with ... - PubMed - NCBI
Treatment of erectile dysfunction with pycnogenol and L-arginine. - PubMed - NCBI
A Natural Approach to Erectile Dysfunction that Improves Vascular Health - Life Extension
I don't take pycnogenol as that shits expensive. I'm going using the alternative under the assumption that it's a marketing ploy.
Peaktestosterone has a piece on it and other ED supplements.
Pycnogenol, French maritime pine bark extract, augments endothelium... - PubMed - NCBI
Pycnogenol® effects on skin elasticity and hydration coincide with ... - PubMed - NCBI
Treatment of erectile dysfunction with pycnogenol and L-arginine. - PubMed - NCBI
A Natural Approach to Erectile Dysfunction that Improves Vascular Health - Life Extension
I don't take pycnogenol as that shits expensive. I'm going using the alternative under the assumption that it's a marketing ploy.
youknowme123321;619496 said:
Peaktestosterone has a piece on it and other ED supplements.
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youknowme123321;619466 said:
rofl! Good example! Yes, I agree, but if you think about it- if he surfs for 2 years every single day- and from there on decided to surf once a week- the time he surfs a week would be really special to him. Don't you think? It is like going to the gym- if you go to the gym every single day (and you still consider it special (but some people take things for granted and do not appreciate what they actually have/do if they can do it every time they want to do it)), but if you go only once weekly- wouldn't that make you go with more enthusiasm?
A bit of a know-it-all, aren't we? I was just relaying what I have read several times over the years from various sources. I'm not saying I know for a fact alcohol and wine are good for the body in small doses, but it has been suggested enough times from enough sources that it warrants some consideration. I don't think there is any absolutely conclusive evidence either way, and that goes for all kinds of science and health-related topics. Studies are constantly yielding different results, sometimes proving a previous theory and other times contradicting them.youknowme123321;619465 said:
tb007;619550 said:
bummer another person who thinks having a small amount of knowledge on a subject that allows for debating conversations that oppose their statements makes that person a know it all. saddens me.
you were talking about alcohol acting as a solvent on the blood vessels and thinning the blood making it less sticky so cholesterol won't stick to the blood vessels. that is what i commented on because that isn't true. i didn't say anywhere that you were saying you know for a fact alcohol and wine are good for the body in small doses. neither do i for certain. for one person it could be bad and for another not bad at all. as an example, there are studies showing regular moderate alcohol consumption reduces risk of developing type 2 diabetes. but that is not what i was commenting on in any way. that is different topic from your alcohol solvent blood thinning comment that i was commenting on. i agree with your last 2 sentences but again they had nothing to do with our conversation before about alcohol solvent blood thinning stickiness reducing properties. were those 2 sentences meant to be separate from your know it all comment and explanation to me?
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It wasn't just the blood thinning thing. It was also the resveratrol and polyphenol thing, plus a couple of smerc's comments as well that you kinda just shot down and basically told us we're wrong. Maybe you didn't mean for it to seem that way but that's the way it came across to me. It's really not a big deal. I was just giving you shit with the know-it-all comment.
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tb007;619723 said:
cool. well good to get to know you tb. tuberculosis?
all true stuff about resveratrol. but then zam lead me down a path of finding out some human info on what he was talking about with proanthocyanidin. being wrong about something is a good thing. it means we get to learn new stuff. i am wrong plenty. i do mean to send across correct info and if that means something someone said was wrong then i'm not going to hold back b/c of that. just as i wouldnt want anyone to.
Right... but how do you know without a doubt that you're right and all the studies that we read are wrong? That type of stuff, even the experts and scientists have varying opinions. See what I'm saying?
Anyway, I'm sure you're a smart guy. I feel that I also know a thing or two about a thing or two, so let's just leave it at that. I appreciate the info you share.
And some of my friends do actually call me tuberculosis as a nickname, just for the shit of it.
Anyway, I'm sure you're a smart guy. I feel that I also know a thing or two about a thing or two, so let's just leave it at that. I appreciate the info you share.
And some of my friends do actually call me tuberculosis as a nickname, just for the shit of it.
tb007;619729 said:
i dont think anyone has ever read a study that showed resveratrol in wine or grapes had any health benefits to humans. i have never come across them. just articles in magazines that were based on in vitro and animal studies. there isn't even a study that shows resveratrol supplementation to be beneficial in humans. that and the solvent alcohol stuff are the only things i debated. i would love info to the contrary.
edit: and just b/c i have info that is contradictory to another persons info does not mean i think i am 100% right or that i cant be wrong.
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tb007;619729 said:
and don't ever be afraid to present yourself as right just so someone wont be wrong or feel wrong about something. or b/c it would be embarrassing to be wrong. that is why i will say things that some people take bluntly though i am just conversing. b/c i am not afraid or embarrassed to be wrong.
and i dont mean you are specifically afraid or embarrassed to be wrong but many people hold back for those reasons or get offended when someone opposes their knowledge b.c they are afraid it makes them look stupid. i dont feel stupid when i am wrong or think someone stupid if they are wrong. we are all just learning
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The stickiness thing applies to the platelets, not cholesterol. I said it wrong earlier.
When the platelets get stuck together they form clots that can lead to a heart attack. Resveratrol may help prevent the platelets from sticking together and forming clots, based on studies with mice and in vitro. Also, it is thought to prevent oxidation of LDL cholesterol and numerous other benefits. I believe alcohol to have a similar effect.
I read some of this on WebMD just now and the rest from Men's Health and a few other places over the years I can't recall offhand.
Whether any of this is true or not, I'm still going to enjoy my red wine, cognac, and scotch all the same. Even the occasional champagne or beer. Or maybe Miller High Life- the champagne OF beers. Haha. Totally joking. I don't drink that shit. But good booze is so fucking delicious! The buzz ain't half bad either
When the platelets get stuck together they form clots that can lead to a heart attack. Resveratrol may help prevent the platelets from sticking together and forming clots, based on studies with mice and in vitro. Also, it is thought to prevent oxidation of LDL cholesterol and numerous other benefits. I believe alcohol to have a similar effect.
I read some of this on WebMD just now and the rest from Men's Health and a few other places over the years I can't recall offhand.
Whether any of this is true or not, I'm still going to enjoy my red wine, cognac, and scotch all the same. Even the occasional champagne or beer. Or maybe Miller High Life- the champagne OF beers. Haha. Totally joking. I don't drink that shit. But good booze is so fucking delicious! The buzz ain't half bad either
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tb007;619740 said:The stickiness thing applies to the platelets, not cholesterol. I said it wrong earlier.
When the platelets get stuck together they form clots that can lead to a heart attack. Resveratrol may help prevent the platelets from sticking together and forming clots, based on studies with mice and in vitro. Also, it is thought to prevent oxidation of LDL cholesterol and numerous other benefits. I believe alcohol to have a similar effect.
I read some of this on WebMD just now and the rest from Men's Health and a few other places over the years I can't recall offhand.
Whether any of this is true or not, I'm still going to enjoy my red wine, cognac, and scotch all the same. Even the occasional champagne or beer. Or maybe Miller High Life- the champagne OF beers. Haha. Totally joking. I don't drink that shit. But good booze is so fucking delicious! The buzz ain't half bad either
ok that makes more sense. interesting thing is then it increases a persons risk for cerebral hemorrhage. oh the web we weave!!! platelets are apart of a clot. most heart attacks occur from a slow building clot in one place in a coronary artery then it eventually breaks off and moves down the artery till it gets stuck in a narrower portion. there was a study done during the korean war. they examined i think 30 or 300 hearts of dead soldiers with a mean age of 22 or 27. over 70% of the hearts had occlusion of mian coronary arteries. these were all seemingly 100% healthy young men. their hearts adapted by developing collateral circulation to detour blood around the blockage or area of reduced blood flow. but then if one of those major occlusions break off it's bad news saturday.
hahahahaha at first glance i thought you said, "I'm still going to enjoy my red wine, cognac, and scotch all the same TIME." i was like wtf???? gross. he is really trying to reduce those platelets lol
miller high life = eternal life. that is proven fact. now if it just wasn't horrible. i guess we choose death instead of miller high life...Cheers!
youknowme123321;619751 said:
I can not stand the way Miller tastes, I am not a big beer drinker, maybe had a 1 beer in the past 3 years but I do remember Miller tasting like my piss smelled
I am kind of a lightweight even with wine, I only drink Red Wine but I hate the way most red wine tastes so I stick with Sangria, tastes like Kool aidI'm telling you, man. Try a cabernet sauvignon from napa valley. Francis Coppola makes one for about $20 that's a good everyday wine. Or a good pinot noir or bordeaux... absolutely delicious. Some of my favorites are opus one, silver oak, and stag's leap but they're definitely expensive.doublelongdaddy;619962 said:I can not stand the way Miller tastes, I am not a big beer drinker, maybe had a 1 beer in the past 3 years but I do remember Miller tasting like my piss smelled
try nichol nichol. it's about $80-100/bottle but very good.doublelongdaddy;619962 said:I can not stand the way Miller tastes, I am not a big beer drinker, maybe had a 1 beer in the past 3 years but I do remember Miller tasting like my piss smelled
I usually drink a Domaine de la Romanee-Conti Romanee-Conti Grand Cru, Cote de Nuits, France occasionally- every 2nd or 3rd day. I like to drink a whole bottle of it..... rofl!
doublelongdaddy;620491 said:
Yea, I love sangria as well. What is the downside of most wines is that they are not all natural. Here in my country people either spray the grapes with some steroid-like chemicals to make the plants produce more fruit (which is NOT healthy) or they put some water in the wine so they can sell more bottles.... As long as it is natural- I think it is perfect!
Zambrodom3;620527 said:Yea, I love sangria as well. What is the downside of most wines is that they are not all natural. Here in my country people either spray the grapes with some steroid-like chemicals to make the plants produce more fruit (which is NOT healthy) or they put some water in the wine so they can sell more bottles.... As long as it is natural- I think it is perfect!
With all this forum stress I could definitely use a couple of bottles!
doublelongdaddy;620534 said:
Hahahah! Now that's gotta be SOME stress!! rofl!