Study: tunica strength / deformation

[Xxxi]

Hey guy, I stumbled upon a cool study that some of the theory/ science guys around here might like. It's a study about the tunica of the penis regarding its tensile strength AND at what point the tunica will give in to deformation. This is the holy grail goal of PE IMO (figuring out exactly what causes the tunica to release its elastic bounties and let the CC expand). Check this out and let me know what you guys think. Pretty interesting that it even tells us what kind of pressure the tunica gives out at... I think that's kinda a big deal!



Abstract
The aim of this study was to determine the tensile strength and the elasticity of the tunica albuginea (TA), and describe morphological structures in the tissue before and after mechanical deformities. Twenty cadavers of men aged between 33 and 83 were examined. Cavernosometry was performed in all specimens. Afterwards in five cadavers the flow rate was increased until a herniation of the TA appeared. A strength about 1500 mm. Hg was found. Similar results were found in four who had an inflatable prosthesis (AMS 700) inserted, and the intraprosthetic pressure increased until a deformity was noted. Slices of TA (thickness 1.3 to 3.3 mm.) from 11 specimens were tested in a tensiometer. The elasticity coefficient was found to be around 10(8) N/m2, and the tensile strength to be 600 to 750 mm. Hg (10(4) to 10(5) N/m2). The difference between the tensile strength achieved in the tensiometer and during saline infusion is possibly caused by the intracavernous framework. Microscopy showed that TA is mainly composed of collagen fibres which are situated in an undulating arrangement, with a few elastic fibres arranged longitudinally which connect the undulating bundles of collagen fibres. When the tissue is overstretched, the elastic fibres are destroyed and the undulating arrangement disappears.

PMID 2304187 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[Sinthious]

Really a good read it was a study posted in 1990 by Bitsch M, Kromann Andersen B, Schou J, Sjontoft E. It does outlay some good info on why the elasticity is as it is but since it was done on cadavers it doesn't really show how that tissue heals when stretched. Currently we have ways to break down the tunica to allow it to stretch such as bundled exercises it would be nice to know if there was a more effective way disscovered. Has there been anymore info posted about this type of study?

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

I'd be curious how we could convert the Newton per square meter equation to our 'boots-on-the-ground' work. I do bundle stretches with my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words], and it'd be nice to know at what pressure-level the tunica begins to fail...I just twist and pull until pain ensues (granted, not very scientific)

 

[Sinthious]

I'd be curious how we could convert the Newton per square meter equation to our 'boots-on-the-ground' work. I do bundle stretches with my [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words], and it'd be nice to know at what pressure-level the tunica begins to fail...I just twist and pull until pain ensues (granted, not very scientific)

hmm until they invent an xray that can see under the skin like it wasn't there i don't think that will be possible without a microscopy view after the stretch which may require a tissue sample....

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

hmm until they invent an xray that can see under the skin like it wasn't there i don't think that will be possible without a microscopy view after the stretch which may require a tissue sample....

Well...if they were able to determine at what N/m2 the TA fails, perhaps we could replicate that amount of force w/our [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]?

 

[Sinthious]

Well...if they were able to determine at what N/m2 the TA fails, perhaps we could replicate that amount of force w/our [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]?

I don't see why not just replicate the study using a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], now all we need is a hook up that can get the process started lol

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

cuz I don't wanna be dead

 

[stillwantmore]

It IS interesting and I've seen this shared before. How do you translate this to usable data? Also, cadaver tissue responds to stimulus differently than living tissue. Experienced PE guys know this stuff works.

 

[Xxxi]

Yea that is a god point I suppose...that live tissue might have a different threshold of strength. However, I don't think it is significantly different between the cadaver and live tissue because I'm sure the cadaver tissue was preserved and pretty similar to live tissue during the study... otherwise the study would have been pointless and I'm sure the researchers took that into consideration and tried to make it as close to real live tissue replication as possible.

My train of thought wasn't really using a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] or any flaccid means. I was thinking about what the limit is on the exercise I've been doing lately. What I do it clamp extremely tight and then press my palms down on the top of my shaft with my penis sandwiched between my palms and the toilet seat. This makes my tunica ROCK hard and intense pressure. I just wonder how the unit of measurement in the study translates to me pressing down smashing my erect penis to create pressure on the tunica walls. If it could be converted to PSI or something like that, maybe we could figure out exactly how hard to press or stretch or whatever, and then be able to cause significant "herniation" within a single session of PE. That would be cool.

 

[Sinthious]

If it could be converted to PSI or something like that, maybe we could figure out exactly how hard to press or stretch or whatever, and then be able to cause significant "herniation" within a single session of PE. That would be cool.

translated from 600 mm-750 mm HG of force to psi is 11.6021-14.50258 psi but i don't think that will help much as your lungs need to produce at least 14 psi (dependent on altitude) to displace the atmosphere, so when combining that with how fluid reacts and what not is beyond my knowledge. When they do studys like this the tissue is usually flooded with fluids simmular to blood to keep the tissue as close to the same as living tissue so this study does good to test its limits but not how it heals. They likely also went with enough pressure to cause failure where as with living tissue we would be able to feel that limit before and be able to stop that and they don't test how the tissue would heal when stressed like that, probably not even on their minds since this was a study about ED not PE.

 

[DLD]

KISS is always the best route, twist that penis with your [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] and stretch it to the moon!

Bundled stretching is currently the best method of Tunica deformation.

 

[Xxxi]

I've never been great at math so please correct me here:

If the PSI is around 12 like you said, then I should be able to determine the surface area and then know the answer right? Well when I calculated the surface area using an online calculator (1.5in radius and 7.5in height penis dimensions) it told me the area is around 70 square inches!!! That means 12psi X 70 sq in = 840 pounds..... we need that much pressure?! Please tell me I'm wrong here lol

 

[Sinthious]

KISS is always the best route, twist that penis with your [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] and stretch it to the moon!

Bundled stretching is currently the best method of Tunica deformation.

And what route is KISS not one i have heard yet, Bundle stretches are great and definitely work the tunica but i think it was more the talk of at what amount of pressure would scientifically be needed for those tissues to break down.

 

[Sinthious]

I've never been great at math so please correct me here:

If the PSI is around 12 like you said, then I should be able to determine the surface area and then know the answer right? Well when I calculated the surface area using an online calculator (1.5in radius and 7.5in height penis dimensions) it told me the area is around 70 square inches!!! That means 12psi X 70 sq in = 840 pounds..... we need that much pressure?! Please tell me I'm wrong here lol

There is so much more that goes into it besides psi so that amount of pressure would rip it off instead of anything else, take for example when hanging you can start at low weight like 1-5lbs and feel the stress if you bundle it and you will feel the strain on the tunica even better. As DLD said though Bundle stretches work amazing to break down the tunic to make room for gains

 

[Xxxi]

I'm not really interested in pulling and stretching as much as I am interested in internal pressure. I really think creating internal pressure is the key. Just my opinion. If bundled stretches really worked the tunica then we would be able to bundle stretch for an hour a day and grow girth that way. But I've never heard of much CC expansion due to bundled stretches tbh.

 

[Sinthious]

I'm not really interested in pulling and stretching as much as I am interested in internal pressure. I really think creating internal pressure is the key. Just my opinion. If bundled stretches really worked the tunica then we would be able to bundle stretch for an hour a day and grow girth that way. But I've never heard of much CC expansion due to bundled stretches tbh.

Bundle stretches alone no you wont gain any girth what happens is your breaking up the tunica making it more malleable so when you do you a 5x5x3 set that tunica is already loosened making gains in girth easier than if you didn't do the bundle stretches at all. [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bm[/words] in the 5x5x3 sets your forcing the internal pressure outward encouraging gains

 

[Xxxi]

I just feel like that is more theory than real life effective technique though. I see soo many people talking about the same exercises already in use, and then find out they are still within a half inch of where they started girth measurement and it's been a year lol, so all the credibility goes away imo. It shouldn't take 6 months or a year to gain a half inch or an inch. We should be able to do that in a couple months. Heck, there are plenty accounts of priapisms yielding MASSIVE gains within days! The exercises we already have are great for now, but I think we should be researching and trying to find the key to deforming the tunica like a single priapism can to to create a megalophallus. We need to find the combination of time/pressure that makes the tunica structure "give up". That's what I'm searching for and I really feel like it is possible to find that formula if we work together as a community and really dig deep. There is a holy grail answer out there. The existence of megalophalluses prove that. We just have to find that answer. I'm so motivated lol

 

[Sinthious]

Our current girth techniques that brothers here have been using for years now does work albeit it takes consistency and time, given that the Tunica only has about a 5% elasticity it is difficult to stretch and manipulate that is why it can take as long as it does to make gain in girth where as length is easier. Also you have to take into account that putting too much strain on those tissues could cause scar tissue to form which would be a huge negative. That being said there are a lot of Brothers here that have used those techniques consistently and have fantastic success i would consider that more than a theory as there is creditable proof that it does work. Dont take my word for it look through the Routine and progress threads and you can find many who have had great success.

Now i don't disagree that having more options is a bad thing in fact i am all for it the hard part becomes discovering new ideas that work and are safe, priapisms is a highly debated method and some view it as unnecessarily risky where some swear by it, but half inch to inch in gains are still not possible in days you may get fluid retention that makes it look that way but that is not stretching of the tunica alone. Look into the clamping sections as there are Brothers there that may have some more info than my knowledge has to offer. Whatever you decide just be careful educate yourself as much as humanly possible as you want to increase size safely but not at the loss of erections or worse loss of penile tissue from necrosis.

 

[DLD]

And what route is KISS not one i have heard yet, Bundle stretches are great and definitely work the tunica but i think it was more the talk of at what amount of pressure would scientifically be needed for those tissues to break down.

Kiss, keep it simple.

How much strength or intensity used would be based on hand strength if done manually, in this case the determining factor would be hand strength. Using a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] there is no limit so how much intensity used would be based on the users penis and what he can handle. With Bundles it should also be observed that some can get more twists than others, this may be brought into the equation but there are so many factors of physiological difference that an equation would be very hard to come up with.

 

[Sinthious]

Kiss, keep it simple.

How much strength or intensity used would be based on hand strength if done manually, in this case the determining factor would be hand strength. Using a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] there is no limit so how much intensity used would be based on the users penis and what he can handle. With Bundles it should also be observed that some can get more twists than others, this may be brought into the equation but there are so many factors of physiological difference that an equation would be very hard to come up with.

Ah makes sense i hadn't heard of that acronym before.

 

[Xxxi]

Well the reason I believe in internal pressure is because PGE1 injection priapism helped me get from 5in girth to 5.5 very quickly. However, the pain was tremendous and the PGE1 tolerance was soo fast that within months I had to use 14x my beginning dose just to get a 15 minute erection. So basically the drug got too expensive, painful, and ineffective. But the gains were real. That's why I'm
Trying to find new methods to stretch the tunica now that chemical erections aren't available.

I guess what eats me up is KNOWING that gains can be had SOO quickly. I've done soo many hours of research seeing cases of people growing significantly after certain priapism situations. Meaning... internal pressure. And my pge1 experience proved that. It just frustrates me that we haven't found a way to get internal pressure THAT high via some kind of clamp/exercise technique yet.

 

[Xxxi]

Guys I just wanna update u with a cool piece of info I just read in another study. Might interest one of you guys.

The tunica is thinnest and contains no outer layer at the 5 and 7 o'clock positions. That is, if you were facing the penis head on, the 12oclock would be the top of the shaft and the 6 would be the bottom of the CS. 5 and 7 o'clock are on the bottom shaft just to either side of the CS. Basically the bottom sides of the CC. Those regions are the weakest in structure and about 0.8mm thick. Compared to the top of the tunica at the 11 and 1 positions being 2.2mm thick. Huge difference.

 

[DLD]

Guys I just wanna update u with a cool piece of info I just read in another study. Might interest one of you guys.

The tunica is thinnest and contains no outer layer at the 5 and 7 o'clock positions. That is, if you were facing the penis head on, the 12oclock would be the top of the shaft and the 6 would be the bottom of the CS. 5 and 7 o'clock are on the bottom shaft just to either side of the CS. Basically the bottom sides of the CC. Those regions are the weakest in structure and about 0.8mm thick. Compared to the top of the tunica at the 11 and 1 positions being 2.2mm thick. Huge difference.

Wow, very cool, it makes so much more sense now why Bundled Stretches are so effective, every position "of the clock" so to say, it touched, not an angle goes un-stretched.

 

[Xxxi]

Just an update..

The latest thing I read is pretty cool. It was some medical literature about collagen properties and deformation and stretching.

To sum it up:

Collagen can stretch past it's normal limit to the point of being damaged/somewhat deformed and then return to its normal size IF the stress is released soon enough for the collagen tissue to RECOVER. However, when stress is applied even 1% beyond its normal limit and NOT released quickly, the collagen isn't able to recover and it ultimately permanently stretched and doesn't return to normal. So, collagen deformation is more an issue of DURATION more than intensity. It's all about recovery.

My best analogy would be ear piercing gauging. When someone get gauges, they keep the ear piercing hole stretched for days and weeks and months. They don't use massive intensity. But just a minor intensity CONSTANT stretch. After a duration of time however, the piercing holes are permanently stretched out massively. Sometimes the circumference of a quarter or half dollar or larger. And it's basically permanent. Big droopy ear lobes that are stretched out and don't return to original size. However, you can pull on a normal ear lobe all day and when u let go it returns to original state. It's all about the time of tension.

The holy grail of PE is finding a way to keep the penis either stretched or engorged, constantly or as close to constantly as possible. If we could keep it stretched or engorged day and night almost constantly for a week or two I think gains would be incredible. It's just a matter of how to do bay without damaging the penis due to lack of blood flow. All I know now is that recovery is the enemy. Penile tissue prolonged exhaustion is the goal.

 

[DLD]

Just an update..
The holy grail of PE is finding a way to keep the penis either stretched or engorged, constantly or as close to constantly as possible.

Very, very, very easy to do with length but girth, no one has been able to stick with it or hold an erection long enough consistently. I tried, believe me, and after about 2 weeks I gave up, it was just so much, and that was only holding an erection for 4 hours! Priapism, if controlled, would be a PE'ers deal! Keep up the good work, I am loving the research and I am hoping for you to find some way, somehow to make this happen.

 

[Xxxi]

Very, very, very easy to do with length but girth, no one has been able to stick with it or hold an erection long enough consistently. I tried, believe me, and after about 2 weeks I gave up, it was just so much, and that was only holding an erection for 4 hours! Priapism, if controlled, would be a PE'ers deal! Keep up the good work, I am loving the research and I am hoping for you to find some way, somehow to make this happen.

Thanks for the reply bro. Lol when I learned about this "time under tension is the answer" proof, I PM'ed you about the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sizegenetics[/words] discount. Even tho there's no discount I went ahead and paid the full price and got one ordered. Gonna wear that thing as much as possible for length and keep trying to find an answer for girth too! Soo motivated, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is amazing.

 

[DLD]

Thanks for the reply bro. Lol when I learned about this "time under tension is the answer" proof, I PM'ed you about the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sizegenetics[/words] discount. Even tho there's no discount I went ahead and paid the full price and got one ordered. Gonna wear that thing as much as possible for length and keep trying to find an answer for girth too! Soo motivated, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is amazing.

Yeah, they do not discount their products any longer but they do give us extras. In addition we give free membership to the video site when you purchase. Simply send me your order number and I will set you set you up.

 

[ThatDude512]

Guys I just wanna update u with a cool piece of info I just read in another study. Might interest one of you guys.

The tunica is thinnest and contains no outer layer at the 5 and 7 o'clock positions. That is, if you were facing the penis head on, the 12oclock would be the top of the shaft and the 6 would be the bottom of the CS. 5 and 7 o'clock are on the bottom shaft just to either side of the CS. Basically the bottom sides of the CC. Those regions are the weakest in structure and about 0.8mm thick. Compared to the top of the tunica at the 11 and 1 positions being 2.2mm thick. Huge difference.

That makes a lot of sense, that's where I'm getting stretch marks from my girth work. I'm trying a different way of fatiguing the tunica starting last Friday, and I feel it's going to work well. I picked up a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words] last week and I put it on when I wake up, wearing that with medium to high tension most of the day (10 hrs). That is really kicking my tunica's ass. Then when I get home I bundle stretch and then into the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] for my 5x5x3 routine, then finish with either edging or sex. I know that it is definitely working well, because I had to stop using the wine vac mod (for now) because I simply can't handle it anymore. Once I've done his for a while and feel like I'm not getting my ass kicked by this routine any more I'll add it back to the mix. I feel like the constant tension during the day combined with forced expansion may be similar to a priapism in the way it affects the tissue, but time will tell.

 

[Xxxi]

That's awesome man I'm
Glad you're having success.

And yes I really believe that replication the priapism phenomenon is the holy grail of PE. Stress for expended Time is what causes deformation (like megalophallus after priapism). The closer we can get to simulating that, the quicker we will gain. The hard part is figuring out an effective way to keep sufficient stress on the penis for long enough

 

[DLD]

That's awesome man I'm
Glad you're having success.

And yes I really believe that replication the priapism phenomenon is the holy grail of PE. Stress for expended Time is what causes deformation (like megalophallus after priapism). The closer we can get to simulating that, the quicker we will gain. The hard part is figuring out an effective way to keep sufficient stress on the penis for long enough

How long have you been able to go so far?

 

[Xxxi]

Not long enough. I've used PGE1/phentolamine injections before and those caused the longest erections for sure. But the pain became absolutely intolerable and the effects of the chemical wore off and became null after probably 10-15 injections. So I quit that. Injecting the penis and having an acidic chemical aching inside of it is miserable.

I think clamping marathons would be the next best. But after about an hour of clamping sessions, I can't produce an erection anymore.

Soooo... my latest idea is combining clamping before bed with cialis or viagra before bed as well and sleeping with a pretty fitted rubber cock ring. (Not the soft silicone...the thick black O-ring rubber ones). That was I pre-exhaust the tunics with the clamping and then hopefully get some engorgement later in the night via sleep erections with the ring on. The only down side is setting alarms for every hour or two to make sure my penis is alive.

I'm always open to new ideas...

 

[DLD]

Not long enough. I've used PGE1/phentolamine injections before and those caused the longest erections for sure. But the pain became absolutely intolerable and the effects of the chemical wore off and became null after probably 10-15 injections. So I quit that. Injecting the penis and having an acidic chemical aching inside of it is miserable.

I think clamping marathons would be the next best. But after about an hour of clamping sessions, I can't produce an erection anymore.

Soooo... my latest idea is combining clamping before bed with cialis or viagra before bed as well and sleeping with a pretty fitted rubber cock ring. (Not the soft silicone...the thick black O-ring rubber ones). That was I pre-exhaust the tunics with the clamping and then hopefully get some engorgement later in the night via sleep erections with the ring on. The only down side is setting alarms for every hour or two to make sure my penis is alive.

I'm always open to new ideas...

Be careful with night work...one wrong move and there can be some serious damage. Like I said I was able to achieve a few hours with an erection but after a few weeks it became so hard to stay hard. I really hope you stick to this and make it happen...we all know it is possible but no one has done it accept those with priapism

 

[Xxxi]

And that is what gets me soo motivated man. The fact that we KNOW the big secret to PE. We know what causes massive megaloPenis and exactly how to get HUGE very quickly and permanently. Heck if we could keep the penis engorged for 24 hours straight..... that would probably the last day in our life we would need to PE ever again because I think that would be sufficient time to cause significant tunica deformation. Just a day or two. Gosh. That motivates and infuriates me at the same time lol. Knowing exactly what I need to do but not how to effectively do it lol

 

[DLD]

And that is what gets me soo motivated man. The fact that we KNOW the big secret to PE. We know what causes massive megaloPenis and exactly how to get HUGE very quickly and permanently. Heck if we could keep the penis engorged for 24 hours straight..... that would probably the last day in our life we would need to PE ever again because I think that would be sufficient time to cause significant tunica deformation. Just a day or two. Gosh. That motivates and infuriates me at the same time lol. Knowing exactly what I need to do but not how to effectively do it lol

This is true and if there was a method PE would become worthless.

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

This is true and if there was a method PE would become worthless.

yep [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]newbie routine[/words] and all those devices,just to gain an inch maybe two, if we draw a line or grab an object that measures 2 inches long we can see that is a ridiculously small object..

 

[Asanon]

if we draw a line or grab an object that measures 2 inches long we can see that is a ridiculously small object

I know you know this, but for the new bros and lurkers, .. in terms of a human penis, 2 inches is indeed a negligible size. But adding 2 inches to something that is already 5 or 6 inches creates a highly notable increase in Volume being Displaced. (that is .. how much Dick they'd be putting into something.) 2 inches isn't much, but 7 or 8 inches frikkin well is.

A quick trip by The Visualiser - The Cock Comparison site shows that going from the site's default example size of 6x5 to 8x5.5 creates a penis of o-b-v-i-o-u-s-l-y larger size and an increase of 62% (!) greater volume.

If somehow oddly Zero added girth was ever gained, the resultant 8x5 is still radically longer in appearance and still a 36% greater amount of volume.

Just wanted to have the point be (no pun) graspable ... that it isn't 'just 2 inches' , it's 33% More inches, and brings a lot of authority to whatever you put it in.

 

[DLD]

I know you know this, but for the new bros and lurkers, .. in terms of a human penis, 2 inches is indeed a negligible size. But adding 2 inches to something that is already 5 or 6 inches creates a highly notable increase in Volume being Displaced. (that is .. how much Dick they'd be putting into something.) 2 inches isn't much, but 7 or 8 inches frikkin well is.

A quick trip by The Visualiser - The Cock Comparison site shows that going from the site's default example size of 6x5 to 8x5.5 creates a penis of o-b-v-i-o-u-s-l-y larger size and an increase of 62% (!) greater volume.

If somehow oddly Zero added girth was ever gained, the resultant 8x5 is still radically longer in appearance and still a 36% greater amount of volume.

Just wanted to have the point be (no pun) graspable ... that it isn't 'just 2 inches' , it's 33% More inches, and brings a lot of authority to whatever you put it in.

But in many ways it does help put things into a more motivational frame, ______________ <2" not too far

 

[Big Al]

I just feel like that is more theory than real life effective technique though. I see soo many people talking about the same exercises already in use, and then find out they are still within a half inch of where they started girth measurement and it's been a year lol, so all the credibility goes away imo. It shouldn't take 6 months or a year to gain a half inch or an inch. We should be able to do that in a couple months. Heck, there are plenty accounts of priapisms yielding MASSIVE gains within days! The exercises we already have are great for now, but I think we should be researching and trying to find the key to deforming the tunica like a single priapism can to to create a megalophallus. We need to find the combination of time/pressure that makes the tunica structure "give up". That's what I'm searching for and I really feel like it is possible to find that formula if we work together as a community and really dig deep. There is a holy grail answer out there. The existence of megalophalluses prove that. We just have to find that answer. I'm so motivated lol

The megalophallus studies are promising but one has to take care not to attempt the exact scenarios which led to it in the first place. For one, not all sufferers of priapism get MP. Many who wait too long often end up needing medical intervention to alleviate the priapism and/re coagulated blood from the penis.

 

[DLD]

The megalophallus studies are promising but one has to take care not to attempt the exact scenarios which led to it in the first place. For one, not all sufferers of priapism get MP. Many who wait too long often end up needing medical intervention to alleviate the priapism and/re coagulated blood from the penis.

No one has been able to mimic priapism yet, I think I came closest with 4 hours a night but I could not keep that up. If someone can find a controlled way to accomplish this as PE would completely change. The Brotherhood would no longer be needed and the entire world will be able to have a huge penis. Better think twice about what we wish for.

 

[Xxxi]

No one has been able to mimic priapism yet, I think I came closest with 4 hours a night but I could not keep that up. If someone can find a controlled way to accomplish this as PE would completely change. The Brotherhood would no longer be needed and the entire world will be able to have a huge penis. Better think twice about what we wish for.

Either that, or keep the exact method in the brotherhood and charge others a shit ton of money for the info on exactly how to do it lol

 

[DLD]

Either that, or keep the exact method in the brotherhood and charge others a shit ton of money for the info on exactly how to do it lol

Yeah, if we could come up with a way to facilitate the erections through tools or supplements then we could patent it and still remain very relevant.

 

[ThatDude512]

Well there seems to be some progress with the method I'm using so far, I measured last night since it was a "rest" day, 5 hrs instead of 10 in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]. And only two 5 minute sessions in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] (measured beforehand). Looks like I'm up 1/8" in bpel and 1/4" in girth(8"x5.5"), which is pretty impressive considering it's been 32 days. I'm expecting things to slow down though, as I tend to get "chunks" of gains when I switch things up. Same thing happened when I started using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words], I gained around 1/4" in both departments, but still stoked on reaching 8" regardless.

 

[seven_wants_ten]

Well there seems to be some progress with the method I'm using so far, I measured last night since it was a "rest" day, 5 hrs instead of 10 in the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]phallosan[/words]. And only two 5 minute sessions in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] (measured beforehand). Looks like I'm up 1/8" in bpel and 1/4" in girth(8"x5.5"), which is pretty impressive considering it's been 32 days. I'm expecting things to slow down though, as I tend to get "chunks" of gains when I switch things up. Same thing happened when I started using the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words], I gained around 1/4" in both departments, but still stoked on reaching 8" regardless.

Congrats on the gains, but be cautious with those girth measurements. You might need a few days off pumping and other girth work to get a truly accurate measurement.

That's one of the reasons I always like to measure my maximum expanded state in a clamp. It's not measuring my real girth (obviously) but it's still showing progress. You can see a lot of those pics in my progress thread.

 

[ThatDude512]

Yeah there may be some residual pump, but it had been well over 24 hours since I had pumped last. I measure like that every time to keep consistent.

 

[DLD]

Yeah there may be some residual pump, but it had been well over 24 hours since I had pumped last. I measure like that every time to keep consistent.

Then Congratulations! After 24 hours you are straight tissue expansion. Water always leaves within this long of a period.

 

[Slampocalypse]

That point about tunica deformation duration is awesome. Obviously that's what [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] is based on, but if we could find out more about the duration, we could really optimize things. For example, let's just say that the duration is three minutes. So if I do a stretch for 2 and a half, I'd get something out of it, but pushing to three would be almost instantaneous progress, no?

Then of course, going for too much longer than the correct duration would probably cause injury. But it's an interesting field of study

 

[Xxxi]

Duration does seem to be key. I have yet to find a way to maintain duration long enough though (with rigid erection). That's why I haven't been posting much. Frustrating lol

 

[DLD]

Duration does seem to be key.

Duration is key!

 

[DLD]

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So I have 10 years till I lose size?

 

[Big Al]

...Better think twice about what we wish for.

A very true statement.