Let me preface this with a few notes: I do not have a degree in any of the following: Physics, Chemistry, Biology or Ball Zinging. Everything that you're about to read is a result of what little knowledge I do have of the above subjects. Mostly I want to make a note that I don't want to start a flame fest, but I doubt I can stop it, so on with the show:

Many of the effects of the RoP are due to Zinc ions passing through the scrotum and being absorbed by the testicles:
Some background real quick: An ion is a particle, atom or molecule with a negative or positive charge, which is to say too many or two few electrons. A Zinc ion therefore would be a Zinc atom with too many or two few electrons. To say that a Zinc ion is passing through your body is the same as saying that a Zinc atom is passing through your body, which is incorrect. If the Zinc were passing through your body by means of electrical conduction that would mean that one of two things would happen: First: You would wear the RoP for an extended period of time, several years, I would suspect, and the Zinc would eventually be completly absorbed by the human body. Second: Over time Zinc atoms would pass completly through your body, as would the copper in an effort to balance the charge, and eventually either you would have two bars that were both one half copper and one half zinc, or the copper and zinc would completly trade places. Zinc atoms do not move through your body or into your testicals as a result of wearing the RoP. If any Zinc is uptaken it is by means of very slow absorption, slow enough that it would genuinly have no effect on the testicals.

The RoP increases flacid hang:
This has been pretty well substantiated by most people who wear or wore the RoP. This is more than likley the result of a slight reduction in the speed of unoxygenated blood leaving the penis. Essentially it acts as a very low grade cockring.

The RoP increases ejaculate volume:
More than likley, yes, the RoP does increase ejaculate volume. However, to make the claim that Supra and some other have of doubling the amount of cum is incredibly unlikley. Ten percent of ejaculate is actual Sperm, the other ninty percent is a mixture of protiens, enzymes, vitamins and so forth which is produced in the Cowpers gland. Now simply due to the structure of the RoP and the fact that it can only directly effect the external genitals (The penis and testicals) the RoP can't alter the production of the Cowpers gland (It has no contact), as such increase in ejaculate must be a result of increased Sperm production. Going with the above figures, if the average man 'shoots' five times, one half of one shot would be the actual Sperm. What this means is that to double that mans ejaculate he would have to add on five 'shots', or essentially increase his Sperm production ten fold. While this doesn't sound terribly outlandish, you also have to keep in mind that the testicals not only produce, but store the Sperm: The implication of this being that to increase Sperm production and see a result from it, there has to be ten times the storage space, meaning that your testicals would have to increase in size ten fold. To the best of my knowledge this claim of increased testical size (To this degree) has never been made by anyone who used or uses the RoP. So any increase in ejaculate volume would be extraordinarily small, and rather unnoticable.

The RoP increases testosterone level:
I think this one is true. We'll go back a step or two to what's actually happening between you and the RoP. We've established that Zinc atoms are not passing through your body. What is actually passing through your body is electrons. The short explanation is as follows: Zinc has a different charge than Copper, in an effort to balance out these different charges the electrons from one pass to the other. This creates current; the same current that passes through a battery. Now it would seem to me that the human body could very easly misinturpret this current as the natural, biological signals sent to the testicals to trigger Test production. Meaning that as far as your testicals are aware the brain is always telling them to produce more and more Testosterone. The result? People doubling or tripeling their test production in a matter of months.

Why doesn't this occur in everyone though?
That I don't have the answer for. There are a lot of variables and the RoP is by no means standard: Some people have longer bars, some people have less latex, some people clean the zinc and copper, some people moisturize, and most importantly, some people use saline and some people don't. Not only that, but everyone's biology is different: There is the genuine possibility that you are producing as much testosterone as your body is capable of. It's sad, but true.

The RoP doesn't need saline to function:
False. I understand the logic that the sweat produced in the course of the day is supposed to act as the conductor for the current, but think about it: How many of you walk around with enough sweat in your crotch to feel a tingle from a 9V battery? Not many. As far as I can tell the saline is absolutley necessary. Think of it like this: The RoP is a battery. You put the battery into a [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words] and turn the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words] on. The workings of the light complete the current. Your body is the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words] in this senerio. Now think about it like this: You take a battery that has no alkeline or lithium in it and put it into the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words]. You push the button on the [words=http://fleshlight.sjv.io/c/348327/302851/4702]FleshLight[/words], does it turn on? No, of course it doesn't. That conductor is necessary to complete the circuit. (For those of you who don't believe me: Think back to Supra's original post. If you recall he got something like 1.1v through the RoP with no Saline and 1.2v with Saline. Now if all the current were passing through the saline then the voltometer would've read 0.0v, because none of the current was flowing through it.)

So, my conclusions: Does the RoP work? Yes. Does it do everything it says it does? With the exception of increasing ejaculate volume, yes, I think so. Should you keep taking your Zinc supplement? Yes, you should. Am I wearing my RoP right now? Yes, I am. :P
 
The rop worked for me without the saline solution. I never tried it with the saline so I don't know how much of an effect it would have had though.
 
harmonic169 said:
Ten percent of ejaculate is actual Sperm, the other ninty percent is a mixture of protiens, enzymes, vitamins and so forth which is produced in the Cowpers gland.

The Cowpers gland produces precum. Ejaculate is mostly comprised of prostate fluid.
 
Well here's the thing with the saline: Without it the current has to flow both ways through your scrotum and testicles. It would be essentially the same as water flowing both ways through one pipe at equal velocities. The result would be zero velocity; no flow. I genuinly believe that the Saline, or some other conductor is necessary to the proper function of the RoP. I could easily be mistaken, of course. As I said, I'm far from scholastically qualified to comment on the RoP's function.

Also something to keep in mind that we've all already established: A large part of the effectiveness of the RoP is Psychosomatic. There is very much the possibility that the results achieved without the saline are entirely psychological in origin.

One more thing: going4nine, you're correct, to a point. I went out and did a bit of research after I posted this (Good forethought, huh?) and found this:

Seminal Vesicles: The sac-like pouches that attach to the vas deferens near the base of the urinary bladder. The seminal vesicles produce a sugar-rich fluid (fructose) that provides sperm with a source of energy and helps with the sperms' motility (ability to move). The fluid of the seminal vesicles makes up most of the volume of a man's ejaculatory fluid, or ejaculate.
(Quoted from WebMD)

Regardless, however, the fact still remains that the RoP has no contact with the Seminal Vesicles, meaning that it can't increase production of any fluids made therein.
 
harnonic - thanks for the time of reasearching the rop

my question to you is? would you wear one?
 
harmonic169 said:
The RoP increases testosterone level:
I think this one is true. We'll go back a step or two to what's actually happening between you and the RoP. We've established that Zinc atoms are not passing through your body. What is actually passing through your body is electrons. The short explanation is as follows: Zinc has a different charge than Copper, in an effort to balance out these different charges the electrons from one pass to the other. This creates current; the same current that passes through a battery. Now it would seem to me that the human body could very easly misinturpret this current as the natural, biological signals sent to the testicals to trigger Test production. Meaning that as far as your testicals are aware the brain is always telling them to produce more and more Testosterone. The result? People doubling or tripeling their test production in a matter of months.

Electrons do not affect testosterone production. Period. Our biological signals are special trigger hormones that chemically message the testes to produce testosterone. Works on a negative feedback loop.
Our testes will not be confused by an electronic charge, although that is mighty creative of you and an interesting theory.

Supra was taking HCG and Clomid during the times he had his tests done. These two substances will increase testosterone for short periods of time, but the RoP will not.
 
To Jkisineffect: Yes, I would and do continue to wear one, simply because I believe that it is effective. That may sound silly, but Disney had it right: We all have our 'magic feathers'. What's more, let's look at the definate, undeniable effects of the RoP: A larger flacid hang and a larger looking 'package.' There are people who do Penis Enlargement for years and that's all they get. Besides that, there's a chance that due to the 'cock ring' effect of the RoP it could also produce harder erections. Note however that I said possible, it's really nothing more than a supposition.

Philadelph: Yes, you're right. Chemical transmitters are one of the ways that the body sends signals to different areas, and I had not taken that into consideration. However, I still stand by my thought that the voltage created by the RoP could easily have an effect on the testes, even causing them to produce additional testosterone. Let's look at this a different way: Electrical stimulation to the brain can cause us to smell, hear, see, taste, feel and remember different events occuring. These effects are not the result of a spontaneous release of Seritonin or some like neurotransmitter, but rather the direct application of electricity. Electricity can cause a muscle to flex involuntarily, it can cause the heart to restart, completly end all hormonal functions in the human body (By means of death). The list is extremly long, and while I very well may be mistaken, and condeed that to you, I have to persist in my belief (Note the word belief) that low level stimulation of the testicals could cause an increases in testosterone levels.
 
Harmonic, have you had your testosterone levels tested before and after? This is the only real clinical trial that can put this argument to rest, and every one can do it. I had very detailed test done before and after 30 full days of wearing it on average 18 hours a day. These test were extensive on all growth hormones, precursors, cholesterol, fats, etc.... The result was no change in any area, in fact a very slight decrease in testosterone. I am not saying it does not work, but I can say it did not work for me as it was described. I think before anyone starts a thread or comments on the ROP's results, they should have a real test and provide solid proof. I want it to work as much as the next guy, but I am just not sure the result matches the hype.
 
No, I haven't gotten any tests, I admit. Also it should be noted that I am neither a proponent nor an oponent of the RoP, I'm simply giving my perspective on the efficacy of it's claims. The only results I have personally, and therefore, anecdotally, noticed from the RoP are a bigger 'package' and a larger flacid hang. I'll note that when I wore mine I also noticed that my balls seemed to hang lower BUT I would not and will not attribute that to the RoP, simply an observation.
 
I don't think it increases test and I don't believe saline is needed becouse your tissues close the circuit.

Electricity (yes, electrons, not zinc ions) definately run through ones package, that I believe produce some effects which may or may not include triggering the production of chemical transmiters. The mild constriction effect is also very real. And I certainly believe there is a psychosomatic effect, and I am cool with that.
 
harmonic169 said:
Ten percent of ejaculate is actual Sperm, the other ninty percent is a mixture of protiens, enzymes, vitamins and so forth which is produced in the Cowpers gland.

Back in college, a professor mentioned that semen is mostly mucus. I remember looking around at all the women that were never going to swallow after hearing that and I wanted to smack that professor.
 
~Smirk~ Actually, fructose (Sugar) and a touch of salt, along with about a thousand other vitamins, minerals, hormones, etc. You can actaully look your girl straight in the eye, smile and say "It's one of the healthiest foods on the planet! And Atkins friendly!~

Perfect for dieting.

Goes great on toast.

Etc.
 
so u use the rop, and obviously u support the RoP, then what was the point of this thread. U can't honestly say your are not partial. Now, I am lazy and only read the first post so chew me out if i am wrong (because i would deserve it), what do you have to support your ideas? Do you have any actual data to support it? Or are you merely going on by what you hope to be true and alot of maybes like the electron from the RoP may increase Test production which i find incredibly ,if not impossible, unlikely. my take on the release of testosterone because of the body misinterrupting the current. The brain sends highly specific currents through your body not generic ones so the odds of it causing a mix up is dam near impossible. and about the RoP increasing ejaculation distance.....why did u say it increases it?
 
Alright, to being with: No, I'm not partial. I haven't at any point in this thread reccomended wearing or not wearing one. I'm not selling them either. I really don't care if you wear a RoP or not, it's your money, your body and your choice.

As for why I posted this: Because it annoyed the hell out of me that people thought that the Zinc in the RoPs was the cause of all of these 'miraculous' results. It's kinda' like if you work with someone everyday and they keep using the same obnoxious phrase over and over again: Eventually they say something. This was me saying somehting.

What do I have to support my ideas: Nothing. Nor did I ever claim to. I have no tests, no expirements, no studies. Actually, many times I noted that what I was typing was just supposition and opinion on my part, and to be taken as such.

As for highly specific currents of electricity: To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as 'Highly specific currents'. Electricity varies in voltage (Speed) and wattage (Power), but in the end electricity is electricity: Stick your finger in a power outlet, stand in a lightening storm or put a 9V battery on your tongue: It's all the same electricity. So I still stand beside my statement that the voltage from the RoP could easily be misinturpreted by the body as natural.

I never claimed that the RoP increases ejaculation distance.
 
wait a second how are you not partial? You use it, and you believe it works, so then you make this post supporting your theory that it works. And yes there are differnet type of currents that run through the body, which are controlled by the brain.
 
Yeah, and I can tell you that nuclear bombs work as well, but I wouldn't reccomend buying one. :P

So, what different types of current are there? Illuminate me. (Note that 'chi', 'the force' and magic are not acceptable answers.) :)
 
A great and intellignet post by Harmonic in general, good work mate, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MoS[/words] could do with more of this.

2manly why are you attacking? Harmonic has intelligent well made points and has generated the most non-emotional thread on the RoP i've seen in a long time.
 
Yes this thread is fine, let´s keep it non-emotional, non-biased and if anyone wants to say the ROP is BS, please explain your reasoning and don´t attack ROP users or believers. Also remember some of us are trying to see how much of the ROP effects are real, or even better, start from zero and see what the ROP can and cannot give us.

Now, to get back on track, has anyone tried putting one of those electro-dontknowthemnames that are used to work out, but in the penis area? I mean that thing with pads that make you work out your abs by contracting your muscles with electricity?

I ask becouse, becouse of the ROP wearing position, I think the electricity could pass through the BC and PC muscles (and maybe other muscle tissue), therefore stimulating them and probably accounting for the better/more frequent erections that some of us have experienced. Maybe with a higher voltage (like those electro-stuff gives) someone could experiment.
 
A few questions, if you don't mind.

Do you just fill up the latex tubing with the saline before inserting a rod into the open end? Also, what mixture of salt to water do you use?

Did you ever use the ROP without saline?

Lastly, do you think the ROP has a greater effect if it's just around the scrotum, or if it encircles both your dick and balls?
 
levista: Thanks for the back up, it's appericated.

Chi: Actually, interestingly enough there is a device in develpoement right now that is almost exactly what you're talking about. For the sake of this particular post I'm going to call the electro-dontknowthemnames "Massage Stimulators", as that's really all they do: Massage.

Massage Stimulators (For those who aren't aware) function by sending a medium strength electrical shock into the muscles. This electrical shock causes the muscle to flex, similar to when your muscles randomly quiver. Unfortnuatally, since there is no resistance involved, and the flex is such a short one, no real muscle mass can be gained. Which is a shame. However, this technology has a similar medical application.

Pacemakers have been used with great effect to restart and regulate the human heart. Intestingly enough Pacemakers are currently being researched as to their effect on different parts of the human body: Of note to this post, researchers are trying to develop a pacemaker equivelents for the PC muscle! Now of course, right at the only application for this is incontinence; however, maybe if we're lucky it will be an elective surgery in the not to distant future. :P

As for the better, more frequent erections, I have a take on that too. (Sorry guys, I'm longwinded! :P) I'm going to make a note before I type this, however, as it's getting annoying hearing "It's just your opinion!" when I already said that it was just my opinion, ehem:

THE FOLLOWING IS JUST SUPPOSITION ON MY PART, BASED IN NO WAY ON SCIENTIFIC EXPIREMENTATION.

Thank you.

I think that the electrical current could do a number of things. For one, it wouldn't surprise me if the electrical current could cause the blood vessels to diolate, causing easier blood flow into the penis and testicals (Which could also account for the higher testosterone levels, as an increase in oxygen and nutrient delivery to the testicals) which would easily result in stronger and more frequent erections. Kind of like what viagra does, only with constant delivery and delivery to the entire genital reigon.

Another genuine possibility is that the more frequent and stronger erections are a result of the constriction caused by the top most part of the RoP. Same amount of blood flowing in, less blood flowing out resulting in larger flacid hang and the more frequent erections. I doubt there are many who can debate the efficacy of constriction in regards to increasing erection strength.

Red, from what I understand you're the constriction God, care to chime in on this?

And, as always there's the possibility of both stronger and more frequent erections being the result of a combination of current and constriction.

A final possibility, and one that I had failed to consider until just now: There remains the chance that the harder, more frequent erections are psychosomatic. By which I mean you have constant pressure on your package, you're thinking about how it's working, you're adjusting it, you're looking forward to the results: All this time you're thinking about your, ehem, package. This constant focus could easily case more frequent, stronger erections. There's also the thought that energy flows where you want it to flow.

Almost done: im3manly: I want to apologize, my "chi, force, magic" comment was out of line, rude and uncalled for. The last thing I want here is to start a fight, or create hostilities. So, I'm sorry.

-Harm-
 
Whoops! Didn't see your post in there going4nine!

First, the order in which I put my RoP together was: Zinc bar, latex, copper tube, latex, then fill about 3/4 with fluid. In this way the excess simply bubbles over the top when connecting the open latex to the zinc.

I've never had a specific mixture of salt to water, nor could I tell you what offical, hospital grade saline consists of. I would say add enough that you can taste it and it should be fine. (Note: Don't drink it, just taste it.)

Thirdly: I've tried many different combinations. I've tried with the saline, without the saline, wearing one with saline and a second without, I've tried the same combinations with leamon/lime juice (In hopes that acid would make it more effective than a base), and I've tried it around both the entire package and around just the testicals. So yeah, I've tried just about everything that you can think of.

Lastly: It depends on what kind of effect you're looking for. If you're looking for stronger, more frequent erections then wear the RoP around the entire package. I think that you would also get the increased testosterone by wearing it around the entire package. So I would really reccomend wearing it around your entire genital reigion. The one thing that I noticed when wearing the RoP around just the testicals was that I had really intense orgasms when it was worn. This, however, was more of a result not allowing the testicals to fully ascend into the body during ejaculation. This exact same result would occur from wearing a leather ball strecher.
 
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