Anyone ever tried full squatS?
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Absolutely! really gets all your lower body muscles
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It's mad seeing all the insane variations of squats I see people doing in the name of 'safety', total insanity.
Remember, their not 'full' squats if you've got a big wedge shaped heel on your shoe, or plates under you heals, or a riser under your hails, or all three like a dude in my gym ... poor guys knees are gonna be destroyed.
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It's mad seeing all the insane variations of squats I see people doing in the name of 'safety', total insanity.
Remember, their not 'full' squats if you've got a big wedge shaped heel on your shoe, or plates under you heals, or a riser under your hails, or all three like a dude in my gym ... poor guys knees are gonna be destroyed.
pest;483524 said:
Nice pics!
keepingitbig
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I know it's hard to squat in a full squat position when you're as tall as me, but I've done stretching and foam-rolling exercises along with having a pair of Oly shoes. I'll tell you what, It has helped out my gains ALOT. I've been on the Stronglifts 5x5 program modified to me and been benching, squatting, deadlifting and overhead/behind the neck pressing for almost 10 weeks now. Best program I've done imo. Just with squatting full, you've gotta' keep that back straight. I've rounded a few times, but toned down the weight and started putting form over weight.
keepingitbig
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pest;483524 said:
Totally agree. I've done with board under heels and always had crappy knees, than put some oly shoes on. Knees felt better. You actually strengthen your knees better in a full squat than parallel squat. Front-squats are awesome too. The thing is our natural squat position is compromise by para-squats. When you were a baby, you natural sitting position was atg, butt to ground and you did alot of things in the position. Same with our ancestors as well who didn't have chairs sat in the natural position, butt on calves.
I used to back squat atg until I maxed out at 315. Because of my height and the length of my legs I was at a mechanical disadvantage with the increase in weight. So I started just breaking parallel and going maybe 2 inches deeper. That helped keep my form straight for a little while but it just wasn't worth the effort of trying to fix every little movement in my hips and back. Now I just front squat atg and my front squat form is perfect... going for 315x1 by october. My advice for anyone 6 feet tall or taller... if you have trouble back squatting heavy atg try front squats.
Edit: I did Stronglifts 5x5 as well. Best program ever. It took me from a 215 back squat to 315 in about 3-4 months. Deadlift went from 275x5 to 315x5. Overhead press was like... 105x5 and got to 135x5. Bench went from 185x5 to 225x5.
Edit: I did Stronglifts 5x5 as well. Best program ever. It took me from a 215 back squat to 315 in about 3-4 months. Deadlift went from 275x5 to 315x5. Overhead press was like... 105x5 and got to 135x5. Bench went from 185x5 to 225x5.
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in the past 2 months ive converted to atg squats (and atg front squats). i was previously squatting 120kg x 5 at just above parallel (im 6ft), since changing to ATG squats the weight is only at 90kg x 3. so its a bit of a hit to the ego as im pushing less weight, but ive seen more improvement in my legs
Tahir Aqbar;529528 said:
How do ATG squats save your knees, man? I always thought it would be the opposite because of the outward pressure on your kneecap at the bottom of the movement. I see what you're saying about everything else but I don't understand the part about the knees.
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From what I read in Convict Conditioning by Paul Wade... blood doesn't flow through cartilage. So the get nutrients to them is through movement. Full movement such as the full squat will benefit them more. It is ideal is the develop your soft tissues to handle the heavy loads and you do so progressively.
pjp2002;529543 said:
iiiinteresting. I didn't know that at all. Okay, I'll give these a shot.
neognostic;529539 said:
When you squat through the whole movement its more naturaland how your knees are meant to work. If you think about when you squat parrelel or higher you have to stop mid movement so a lot of pressure is put on the knees to keep you there. For instance its fairly easy to sit at the bottom of an atg squat with weight, and to stand comfortably with the weight, but if you try and stay halfway (the bottom of a parralel squat) it won't be long before your knees start hurting
keepingitbig
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I won't ever full squat like I use to. If you're a guy of a ridiculous height, you have to find out what works for you. A wide, powerlifting stance type of squat is good enough to hit the quads. I go hard-core when it comes to squats anyway. I've seen a lot of tall lifters doing wide-stance squat. Mike O Hearn is around 6'4'' and does wide-stance squats. Just works for me. However, I've always had knee problems ever since being injured by an on going vehicle when I was seven years old. That leg still bothers me.
neognostic;529539 said:
When you hit ATG the bones surrounding your patella disconnect, causing absolutely zero pressure to be put on the actual joints. All of the strain goes into the tendons and ligaments, which are built to withstand that type of tension. My plateller tendons are so fucking thick and dense from always atg squatting that they lump up and can be seen when I stand with my quads unflexed.
keepingitbig;532702 said:
To go atg with proper form when taller we have to front squat. I'm 6'2 and I only front squat heavy. I do back squats all the time but never for low reps because of the mechanical advantage I loose from the barbell distributing weight along my posterior chain instead of my anterior chain. Just food for thought. Otherwise if you want to back squat I'd say at 6 ft there isn't a point in going much deeper than 90 degrees. The range of motion is so far when you're that tall.
jordey;529620 said:
hit the nail on the head brother,ive been doing atg for about 20yrs and never had a problem
Aimingforthetop
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this is a subject close to my heart. since squat is my all time favorit movement.
when i started squatting it was always atg. simply because i used it for my kicks (martial arts) and i like to have full movement on those. so i was aware that i didnt do squats like everyone else did (seen people going to the extreme of putting a bench under their ass not to go low???? ) and i was aware that my squats would never compete with people around me as i was doing them differently.
at the moment im atg squatting 150 kg (330) at a bodyweight of 90kg (198)
the fun thing is that whenever i try to do a normal squat. it feels like im cheating. and i can easily do 200kg (440) but since i have no interrest or experience in this way of doing it and 440 is ALOT of KG to have on your back. i avoid doing it.
i know some old hardcore heavylifters (they where called the X-40e show. they pulled trucks lifted cars and those kind of things) they are all a bunch of old people now. but they got some great experience.
they all say: don't go too low on your squats. it fucks up your knee.
however my dad who used to lift alot has always been squatting ass to grass aswell and at age 53 he is still running and he is still training.
so far i don't have knee problems. so i will continue doing what i have been doing. but different people that i respect alot points in different directions
when i started squatting it was always atg. simply because i used it for my kicks (martial arts) and i like to have full movement on those. so i was aware that i didnt do squats like everyone else did (seen people going to the extreme of putting a bench under their ass not to go low???? ) and i was aware that my squats would never compete with people around me as i was doing them differently.
at the moment im atg squatting 150 kg (330) at a bodyweight of 90kg (198)
the fun thing is that whenever i try to do a normal squat. it feels like im cheating. and i can easily do 200kg (440) but since i have no interrest or experience in this way of doing it and 440 is ALOT of KG to have on your back. i avoid doing it.
i know some old hardcore heavylifters (they where called the X-40e show. they pulled trucks lifted cars and those kind of things) they are all a bunch of old people now. but they got some great experience.
they all say: don't go too low on your squats. it fucks up your knee.
however my dad who used to lift alot has always been squatting ass to grass aswell and at age 53 he is still running and he is still training.
so far i don't have knee problems. so i will continue doing what i have been doing. but different people that i respect alot points in different directions
doublelongdaddy;537351 said:
They definitely do. Developing, thicker, denser legs draws blood to your legs and pelvic region, causing improved blood circulation. You also have to kegel to maintain your posture in the deep squat position.
Tahir Aqbar;538790 said:
That is how he described it. He was my training partner for a while and one day there was a tragic accident where He and his two infant children died in a car crash fire. What an awful day that was! God Bless Him and His Family!
stillwantmore
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Did somebody say full squats?? 
One of the greats in my opinion:
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One of the greats in my opinion: [video=youtube;s6H-xs0fPyM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6H-xs0fPyM[/video]
stillwantmore
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Squats take a lot out of you when you do them right. I had many a day I'd nearly fallen down after doing them.
LONGERDICK7+
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stillwantmore2;631312 said:
lol
pogzee;631403 said:
when you stop a squat at 90 degrees or less, for most this is very far from what their flexibility can handle. this means the muscle are partially contracted (as a full ROM would equal full contraction), which therefore means that alot of tension in the muscle is required to reverse the weight mid rep, which therefore transers that laod and tension to the tendons/ ligaments and supporting structures of the knee. this ultimately means you are putting alot of weight on the supporting structures of the knee rather than the muscle, by reversing the weight mid contraction.
when you do a normal stance squat, pretty much everyone have the required flexibily to hit atleast parralel (which would require a greater than 90 degree knee flexion). at the bottom of a proper squat you hit a stretch reflex, meaning the muscle has reached near its limit of stretch, and produces an automatic contraction response, and pretty much relaxes the tendons as the stretch over the knee. this keeps the muscles required more involved, which ultimately takes pressure off the knees. this is how a full range of motion (until a stretch reflex has been reached) is much safer, and will also produce better results. it is also why olympic lifters can have massive knee flexion aswell as alot of forward knee travel, yet injury is uncommon