Super

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There are a lot of folks who were out there in Nam and who remember this all too well. For those of us who were stateside it was a disgusting sight... and history is repeating itself.


John Kerry for President?

This is a man that denounced his military service.

This was a man who had an alliance with the treason queen herself who was famous for befriending the enemy.

This is a man who was the head of the anti-war movement.

This is a man who not only called for, but embraced the idea of men to dodge the draft and move to Canada.

This is a man who called for men to turn their back on their country.

This is a man that called combat, murder.

This is a man that now embraces what he once denounced and is now considered a war hero.

This is a man who once called his fellow war veterans baby killers, but is now proud that he himself killed while in combat.

This is a man that is despised by the veterans of foreign wars organization.

This is a man who may become our president?

This as a man that according to the national democratic committee, if he really wants to win, will name Hillary as his running mate.

THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES.
 

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I agree - this man is not fit to be President - and I sure as hell will not be voting for him.

If any are interested, it'd be cool to have a thread devoted to political debate since the election season is upon us. That is if people on this board have enough time to follow politics and all with all the time spent with Penis Enlargement. :lol:
 

Gainer18

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supra, you got some valid points but I'm gonna vote for the issues that he stands for and is behind now. A lot can be said about both Bush and Kerry's past but it's not a popularity contest to me; its about the change that I think needs to come. Just my opinion.
 
Gainer18 said:
supra, you got some valid points but I'm gonna vote for the issues that he stands for and is behind now. A lot can be said about both Bush and Kerry's past but it's not a popularity contest to me; its about the change that I think needs to come. Just my opinion.
Ok - fair enough. What are the issues that will make you vote for Kerry?

Disregarding the past, as you stated, I voted for W in 2000 and will again in 2004. I can get into details in a bit, but as a whole the Repulican party's values more closely align with my values when compared to the values that the Democratic party now holds - especially when they come from a Northeastern Liberal from Massachusetts.
 
The consequences of another four years of these selfserving, Constitution-trampling, civil rights negating, lying shitbags is much worse than you can 'predict' from a Democratic administration.

I'd vote for a dead man before I'd vote for this sack of shit. He's going down.

If you're not angry, you're not paying attention.

:)
 
davidwh said:
The consequences of another four years of these selfserving, Constitution-trampling, civil rights negating, lying shitbags is much worse than you can 'predict' from a Democratic administration.

I'd vote for a dead man before I'd vote for this sack of shit. He's going down.

If you're not angry, you're not paying attention.

:)
How have your civil rights been negated? What did the administration lie about?
 

crazyed27

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Its Kerry or Bush??? WTF happen to choices? Bush doesnt put forth the effort to correct the problems in our land, but the fool wants to spen all types of money on war and a space program so a man can go to the dead planet of Mars? We have so many problems in america that need addresed, but he wants to spen all his time, money and energy on correcting other countrys problems...not the type of guy I want to run this country for sure. He wants to cut out overtime pay, so corprate america, and the rich can even get richer, while he is hurting the majority of the population, schools need funds, teenagers need grants to go to college, our money needs to stay in this country, to help US not...screw bush man! I'd take my chances with Kerry, he can't be any worse than bush!
 

waseechee

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Change back to the Heil Hitllary Clinton Days? Ask yourself, What political party in the United States of America is more like the Socialist Party of the 1950's? What Party thinks Gov't should be in charge of the people not the people be in charge of the Gov't? All this baloney about unemployment is a political bunch of crap. They quote the number of lost jobs but not the jobs that are created. Remember in 1992 when the Dems and Ross Perot conned the American people in to thinking the Economy was bad? That my friends was a load of horse shit and they are repeating the same strategy. The Democrats will do, say, and try to be anything in order to be elected. I agree that we went through some moderately down economic times, but that was due to international terrorism. Ask Mr. Kerry what his true political beliefs are. I bet you if you analyzed his political ideology and examine his voting record you would find out that he is the most leftist of the left. Which man would you rather have watching over America's children? The 'Right' is being pushed farther to the 'Right' and the 'Left' continuous it's maddening march to extreme Marxist ideology. As for terrorism, do you think we should bargain with these murders? Mr. Kerry says he will treat is as a police issue, not a military issue. Like I have said before, if the American voters returns the presidential power to the Leftist, the Timothy McVeighs will be forced to reemerge in order to protect the Constitution and America. I fear that domestic good ole boys will start to wage war on American and foreign Muslims in order to stop the attack on our freedom. Whether it be mosques or Pilgrimages, these would be targeted for operations.
 
How is Bush not helping America? Schools need funds? Are you aware that he increased funding 48% to the NEA? (one of his policies I was 100% in disagreement with.) Throwing money at a program does not simply improve it.
 

crazyed27

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Dario said:
How is Bush not helping America? Schools need funds? Are you aware that he increased funding 48% to the NEA? (one of his policies I was 100% in disagreement with.) Throwing money at a program does not simply improve it.
I agree throwing money into a program does not simply make it perfect, but it does make it better, you can get better books, more resources for the children, teacher get better pay thus improving the quality of education.

But do we really need to correct other countrys problems, especially a country 10 times as old as ours, and blow are budget on it? And do we really need to blow are money on going to freaking Mars? What about the kids who are smart and good citizens but there family does'nt have enough money to send them to college? They should get a fair chance to, its not there fault they were born into a family with little funds! All kids shoud be able to have the same chances rather rich or poor!
 

crazyed27

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If bush gets it again I can say goodbye to my pocketbook as well! You got two assholes running for pres? Which asshole will america choose?
 

wants9

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crazyed27 said:
I agree throwing money into a program does not simply make it perfect, but it does make it better, you can get better books, more resources for the children, teacher get better pay thus improving the quality of education.
How is ANY federal expenditures on schools constitutionally permitted?

crazyed27 said:
But do we really need to correct other countrys problems, especially a country 10 times as old as ours, and blow are budget on it?
I presume you're disparaging Iraqi Freedom. I don't see our involvement there as beneficent, at least I don't see that as the aim. By getting rid of our enemy and making the country more stable with a pro-US government, they are more likely to follow our direction, and thus make us safer. We're hardly "blowing the budget" on it, either. The military gets about 19% (about 3% of that is directly for Iraqi expenditures) of the federal budget. Social programs get about 64%.

crazyed27 said:
And do we really need to blow are money on going to freaking Mars?
Advancement of the sciences is one of the few constitutional programs that the government actually undertakes. Besides that, I see the conquest of space as both a military concern and part of our manifest destiny. We must have firm control of the high ground, and continue advancing higher, otherwise we'd have our enemies above our heads with all the dangers that entails. We also need to take the property (to hell with that UN treaty). God only knows what advances can be made out there, let alone simple real estate ownership.

crazyed27 said:
What about the kids who are smart and good citizens but there family does'nt have enough money to send them to college? They should get a fair chance to, its not there fault they were born into a family with little funds! All kids shoud be able to have the same chances rather rich or poor!
Fine. End confiscatory income taxes, then. Otherwise, you seem to be advocating income redistribution, which is just a fancy phrase for the government stealing money I earned and giving it to someone who didn't.
 
Supra: Were you alive back during Vietnam? Have you studied the history behind the war? I know you're a marine and very gung ho, but Vietnam was a senseless war. Read a little about it, you'll agree.
 

wants9

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crazyed27 said:
If bush gets it again I can say goodbye to my pocketbook as well! You got two assholes running for pres? Which asshole will america choose?
Gee, seems only one of the two is advocating permanency of the tax cuts, and it ain't Kerry. In fact, he'll have to get rid of the tax cuts, and increase taxes further to pay for all the unconstitional programs he's advocating.
 

crazyed27

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So close to a 100 billion dollars is only 19 % of the budget?


(to hell with that UN treaty).

So that would make us the terrorist?

America needs to stop the oppression of poor people, bad schools, poor police in those neiborhoods, and no funds for the childeren, the rich just want to get richer and the rich does'nt give a flying fuck about the poor! Be a poor boy in a rich neiborhood and you'll see that most, not all, of the rich are arrogant asses!
 

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