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I feel i developed this lump a month back right behind glans after tight ACE bandage traction wrapping and using shoelace as cocking at same time. I started feeling some pain during erection so I stopped this a week back and took rest . I began penis exercises yesterday and it has returned but without pain.

I was thinking of trying REDZULU2003 hot and cold therapy , should I ? and also should i do light penis exercises along with it?

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Kindly tell me what to do regarding this as i was thinking of visiting a urologist

thanks
 
pogzee;623119 said:
I feel i developed this lump a month back right behind glans after tight ACE bandage traction wrapping and using shoelace as cocking at same time. I started feeling some pain during erection so I stopped this a week back and took rest . I began penis exercises yesterday and it has returned but without pain.

I was thinking of trying REDZULU2003 hot and cold therapy , should I ? and also should i do light penis exercises along with it?

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View image: IMG 3146

Kindly tell me what to do regarding this as i was thinking of visiting a urologist

thanks

This appears to be more of a cyst or pimple than thrombosis. Is the area hard too the touch or is it soft and fluid filled?
 
it is a bit soft and i can squeeze it. This began from the fluid buildup right behind glans after wrapping. It nearly vanishes when on days when i dont do exercises but comes back when i do . It also becomes hard during pe but causes no pain.
Should i continue pe? and do i need any medication or massage to that area or redzulu method?
 
doublelongdaddy;623132 said:
This appears to be more of a cyst or pimple than thrombosis. Is the area hard too the touch or is it soft and fluid filled?

As far as I know, if it was a cyst or a pimple, it wouldn't have disappeared during rest and reappeared after it. Cysts and pimples are symptoms of an infection, which continuously fill with pus, get harder and bigger until they eventually crack "when the time has come" (or, if things got worse, would have to be treated with an antibiotic balm).
Imo that looks like an irritated vein. Also, if you look closely -especially on the first picture- then you can see that the prominent area appears to be what seems like the irritated end-part of a vein which tapers along its course downwards. The two irritated veins I had looked similar. Idk, otherwise it may be a blister or something similar since Op said that it came from wrapping (if that really is the cause)? I never had one, so I can't say much about that. Though in that case the disappearing and reappearing, softening and hardening again would also be strange, I think.
If, as I assume, it's an irritated vein that means that the tissue was under too much stress and needs some rest. If it comes back when training is continued then it's obviously too early to go at it again. I experienced that myself the last time: once in a while I gave it a go (though it hadn't fully receded) and it immediately got harder again, so I stopped again and - as it's the case Pogzee - it got softer until it eventually almost vanished completely and didn't harden anew when PEing.
 
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I think satyr is correct , As you can see in the photos it is inside the vein. Whenever i do exercises or when the lump gets harder or bigger , the vein get puffy and it looks as if there is a blockage in the vein. So i guess it is something to do with the vein and as satyr says it is a irritated vein and i should take a couple of weeks off and let it heal.
Also it does not completely disappear, i can still feel a small hard lump when not PE-ing.
I am also posting a another photo so you can see the vein get swelled up.
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pogzee;623248 said:
it is a bit soft and i can squeeze it. This began from the fluid buildup right behind glans after wrapping. It nearly vanishes when on days when i dont do exercises but comes back when i do . It also becomes hard during pe but causes no pain.
Should i continue pe? and do i need any medication or massage to that area or redzulu method?

If it is soft to the touch it is not thrombosis but it may be the beginning of it. Thrombosis is the hardening of a vein due to blockage, it usually feels like a short, hard string. This may be the beginning of thrombosis and it is good you caught it before it is full blown. I suggest some time off from girth, lots of hot wraps and take 1 aspirin a day to aid in thinning the blood and removing any obstructions that may be causing it.
 
Have you tried to heat and massage it away? I get one on the other side from the SG noose and then pumping. I can heat and massage it away in a few days. It helps if you can get hard and massage it against the erect penis to really apply a deep massage.
 
doublelongdaddy;623539 said:
If it is soft to the touch it is not thrombosis but it may be the beginning of it. Thrombosis is the hardening of a vein due to blockage, it usually feels like a short, hard string. This may be the beginning of thrombosis and it is good you caught it before it is full blown. I suggest some time off from girth, lots of hot wraps and take 1 aspirin a day to aid in thinning the blood and removing any obstructions that may be causing it.

I will surely take 82mg aspirin a day for a week and apply hot wraps and massage.
I would also like to tell you that now i have realized it only comes back when i do penis exercises or traction wrap. If i masturbate or get erection its not there at all nearly but just a mild puffiness or swelling in the right area in general and not specifically the vein, barely noticeable compared to the left side of the glans so i guess i should take some time off PE and let it heal.
I went to a doctor and he said it is a dilated vein and i need to get a penile doppler test done which was his only suggestion for this and i was like what??? for this??? .. and he completely disagreed on doing PE.
Hey why don't you start a thread regarding why most or many doctors disagree with penis enlargement? ...if there isn't one so it could clear out the difference in the thinking and reasons. ( just a suggestion)
Also i came across penile lymphocele--- Lymphocele is a collection of lymph that accumulates in pockets or tanks that you see as blisters beneath your skin. Lymph is a drainage liquid, actually it is liquid commonly found in intercellular spaces all around the body. It is drained into the bloodstream by special channels called lymph vessels. Lymphocele appear when drainage of lymph is blocked, in that case lymph accumulates in blisters and stays there until drained in some other way. Penis lymphocele are not dangerous, they are not infectious and they usually disappear on their own. If they appear after having sex or after masturbation you should drain them yourself by applying pressure on the blister. To make them go away permanently you should avoid having sex or masturbating for a couple of weeks.

I had told you that after traction wrapping there was alot of fluid build up in that area.

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How to get rid of penile lymphocele and prevent its future occurence?

I guess meds, rest ,heat, and heal is the solution.

But thanks tho DLD.
 
BornInFigi;623626 said:
Have you tried to heat and massage it away? I get one on the other side from the SG noose and then pumping. I can heat and massage it away in a few days. It helps if you can get hard and massage it against the erect penis to really apply a deep massage.

I surely will try heat and massage but it comes back only during penis exercises and not during masturbation or erection. So rest you can read in my reply to DLD's post as i think it can be Lymphocele also.
I feel rest is the solution but still...

thanks for your advice BornInFigi
 
Though I hate to contradict vets like DLD (and please don't take this personal by any means, bro) but in terms of well-known and common pathological symptoms PE knowledge doesn't help in every case and can't substitute medical knowledge. Thus I will repeat myself over and over again on this subject: don't use heat or "deep tissue massage" on an irritated vein! If you think you've made the experience that it went away because of that, try again next time without it and see if it won't go away faster. It's much more likely that it went away despite using heat and massaging.

What Pogzee (and a lot of other PErs suffered from in the past and continue to do so) suffers from is strictly spoken not a thrombosis. A thrombosis, as you can read in any book about medical science or just ask your M.D., is a severe and very painful infection of deep-lying vein structures and requires surgical intervention in many cases. It appears in almost any case in the legs (and especially in women's legs who are more prone to it), very rarely in arms and shoulders and I'd be astonished if a man ever had a real thrombosis in his genital area.

So this is (if it's not a blister but it does look more like an irritation of the vein) a phlebitis which is just an irritation of the vein. That's the reason why it's still soft and puffy. If it gets hard and cord-like, then you have a thrombophlebitis which is an irritation that caused a blood clot>this is what most PErs have here reported as "t-vein" or "thrombosis".
In these cases - phlebitis or thrombophlebitis - rest of the affected area is needed and certainly no further irritation by massaging! Also you don't want to heat an already irritated or inflamed area. If you don't want to investigate that by yourself by checking med. books or consulting your doctor, then just use common sense: an inflammation is called metaphorically as it is for a reason>if anything it needs cooling. Aspirin is ok and may benefit your symptoms. I personally wouldn't take that more than 2 weeks or so, but it's not heparin, so there shouldn't be major problems with that.

Again: don't want be a smart-ass or piss anyone off, but these in principle harmless symptoms can cause major anxieties to many who are new to PE or new to such kind of injury, so I wrote this solely to help clearing some common misunderstandings which circulate here within the PE community. Also it's important to know what to do in such cases and even more importantly: what not to do. So please keep the good nature of my intentions in mind when reading this.

Oh and Pogzee, your doctor seems a bit overzealous advising a Doppler test in such a case. Some specialists just want to get paid (especially in countries where private insurances are the rule), sad but true. I went to a good and philantropist doctor myself when I had my first irritated vein and he told me to just refrain from "extravagant" sex techniques (incl. cock rings and stuff), lol. So, masturbation and "vanilla" sex are totally ok. In fact, they might even benefit the healing process insofar as motion and blood circulation are good for healing any kind of vein irritation (that's why also people with a real thrombosis should walk around a lot) as long as you don't massage the vein itself thoroughly.

Cheers
 
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pogzee;623679 said:
and he completely disagreed on doing PE.

Of course he did, there is no money in that for him. Next time a doctor tells you not to do PE ask him if he tried himself or if he is just making a statement on something he has no experience with.
 
doublelongdaddy;623789 said:
Of course he did, there is no money in that for him. Next time a doctor tells you not to do PE ask him if he tried himself or if he is just making a statement on something he has no experience with.

Well i did tell him to have a look around on the internet atleast and he considered everything a scam. But his ego kicked in i guess as he thought i was doubting his practice for 20 years. Thats why i said write an article if possible.
Anyways do you agree with satyr up there cuz i do feel its a irritated vein ?
 
Satyr i am getting so confused between 2 experts advice that i have decided to do nothing at all. I will let it heal on its own like it nearly did before as our body has an auto heal mechanism .I will take aspirin only . Although the lump is gone already even not there even when i masturbate and will only return during PE if i do it.

Thanks for clearing the misunderstanding about Thrombosis though.
 
I'll try make this clearer: DLD is to me one of the best experts here when it comes to PE (clamping excluded which he doesn't advocate for different reasons, but there are other legends here who do it successfully, so you see there are various ways that lead to success), his knowledge and experience there is second to none and - I can't stress that enough - he's an unbelievably kind and altruistic guidance for a lot of PErs (me included), but when it comes to medical symptoms there are just some misunderstandings flying around here, that can be attributed to a lack of medical knowledge and which can't be outweighed by personal PE experiences.
I'm not a med. doctor either but, like I said before, I went to a really good one which I've known for many years (and moreover I conducted some further research myself). And although I didn't tell him about PE, he - as any other individual who has studied medicine - for sure has seen a lot irritated veins and also thromboses. So he knows what the possible consequences are and which therapeutic measures are required (or aren't for that matter), since such symptoms are just basic knowledge of medicine. It doesn't matter in this case if you have it in your dick or your legs, the knowledge applies here anyways. And in such a case it wouldn't be (and isn't) a matter of second thought to me which instructions I ought to follow.
And yes, with just letting it rest and a bit of Aspirin you're on the safe side (cooling is an option but I didn't do it as well because I don't like having sth. cold on my dick, lol), especially because your injury is really minor and only a phlebitis that hasn't even evoked a blood clot. So you should be good within short time.

PE and the medical community, yea that's a tense relation: I guess your M.D. as many others felt threatened in his professional authority because this - contrary to the symptoms that can be caused by PE - is something that you won't find in any med. school book and especially doctors, given the long and honorable tradition of their profession and the high social standing comes along with it, have built a certain arrogance. That makes it hard for many of them to accept alternative methods and there's is strong lobby working against, for example, chiropractics and the likes. PE is even more unknown, so go figure what the expectable reaction to such a phenomenon would be.
But as always, there are certain individual exceptions: an open-minded doctor whose self-esteem doesn't rigidly rely on the alleged superiority of his job will think twice about the techniques of PE and the involved mechanics with respect to the anatomical constitution of the male genital. I remember a thread here from the user "Neutronstar" about a Urologist who actually gave him valuable tips to improve his PE game. Sadly, Neutronstar deleted all his posts and stopped posting altogether, iirc that was due to some not only skeptic but outright derogatory and deprecating comments from some other guys here on the board. Maybe our archive manager Zam can tell you moreLMAO

All this is very sad, because medical specialists with their knowledge about the penis could help optimizing PE and answer many important questions we as laymen can only intuitively answer or not answer at all. I remember one very enlightening comment on the jelq from a guy who studied medicine or biology. It would be great to have more of them here on the board.
 
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wholly shit satyr, you have taken this situation very seriously and i feel i have started a war between you and DLD......hahahahahhahaha :)

I really like your thought about how urologists having all the expertise knowledge about male anatomy can completely optimize PE. Right now its mainly the lay man(except DLD and his team and some like you as they have put in years for this) doing innovations and creations regarding PE. But imagining most and many doctors focusing on using their creativity for PE would completely change the industry , opinions and thinking of people.


SO i guess your the one who should start a thread about PE and doctors who don't support it.
I'm thinking of starting a post where all the PE'ers post all their symptoms , problems, lumps, scars, swellings, etc they faced during PE so they can be recognized and searched about. do u think its worth it?
 
A war??!!! Hell, no!<:( That wasn't my intention in any case, believe me and I seriously hope that DLD doesn't read that into it as well. And by no means I wanted to spread doubt about his enormous PE knowledge, with which I don't want nor can't compete in the slightest. I'd consider myself an intermediate in terms of manual girth training at best
And with laymen i meant us all, insofar as no-one of us here (at least it seems>if there are med. students or doctors, please chime in!) has as thorough a knowledge about the penile physiology as a med. prof. has (especially urologists, of course). DLD and Lightning are PE professionals as they even earn their money with it (which is the def. of a prof.). what I thought about was a fusion between both professions, so to say.:)
 
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YO satyr, i meant it in joking manner so chill.......if you want i can edit my post on the war part if its misleading.......lol i don't want to create any misunderstandings between anyone as i am here to solve them and get clarity.......hahahahha
And same to DLD

I also agreed with you on the fusion part if you read my post and i think it would be revolutionary......PLZZZZZ start a thread regarding this
 
I encourage men to challenge my opinions and to bring in their own thoughts, it is the collective word of all involved that gives us a better understanding and guidance towards what we want to accomplish. I do not know everything, I only speak from my personal experience and the experiences I have heard from others. I do not want anyone here to ever feel threatened by me or that they can not a different opinion than mine, it is in spirited discussions of various opinions that brings us to better understandings. I am not a doctor but I feel I have much more experience than most doctors on the topic of urology for the simple fact that I have studied this and personally experienced these things for many years.
 
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