Bundles

Im about 4 months in and only able to do about a 180 degree bundle. Will this affect my gains? Is there something I can do to help this or does it not matter?

SIM and DLD will say it doesn’t matter and I’m not saying it does,
But for me it’s a goal to aim for, it shows me that I’m increasing intensity and my tempory elongation is increasing.
(There are other ways to increase intensity)
Just saying it coz I know SIM will 😂

It’s tough and damn uncomfortable to push the next 180, but for me when you do you can see and feel the growth.
Honestly, at 4 months your probably not being aggressive enough.

92tmorgan said:

Im about 4 months in and only able to do about a 180 degree bundle. Will this affect my gains? Is there something I can do to help this or does it not matter?

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I believe you need to work on to maximize your bundles. Tug at the limit at what you can do, and with time you will increase this more and more.

TWIST&PULL said:

SIM and DLD will say it doesn’t matter and I’m not saying it does,

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Please do not put words in my mouth.
Maybe you misinterpreted me in some way?
Sometimes I give kind advice to brothers, just because I know it is not necessary to maximize your bundles in order to gain, but you will gain faster and more solid if you maximize your intensity with more bundles (more rotations of your penis). You will even be able to gain with only 1 session per day when you have got to the maximum intensity. But it takes a lot to get here (not easy at all).

In my experience it's also easier to cement the length gain if you maximize your bundles.

The more bundles you do with extremely high intensity, the faster you will be able to gain. If you get 2 cm (~0.79 Inch) temporary flaccid stretched length after a session of 20 minutes (10 min x 2), you will have a similar intensity that I had.

Before I quit lengthmastering I completely maximized the rotations of my penis (not every session, but very often), this was necessary for me in order to get to my length goal within 1 year. This is also the reason I recommend brothers to add a second handlebar on their LengthMaster 3 (when they need it).

The second handlebar was not just for fun, It had a purpose....look at this below.

Look at the angle I'm stretching at, this would not have been possible (my fast gains) without this second broomstick handlebar.
You will get strong fingers and hands with this technique. My hand strength are worse now because I do not do lengthmastering.


Don't know if this is the best photo, I have many videos in my video thread that are describing this process/technique.

TWIST&PULL said:

(There are other ways to increase intensity)
Just saying it coz I know SIM will 😂

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Other ways to increase the intensity:
🔗 How to increase the intensity in BTC-BS with LM3.

/ Hope this helps!

TWIST&PULL said:

SIM and DLD will say it doesn’t matter and I’m not saying it does,
But for me it’s a goal to aim for, it shows me that I’m increasing intensity and my tempory elongation is increasing.
(There are other ways to increase intensity)
Just saying it coz I know SIM will 😂

It’s tough and damn uncomfortable to push the next 180, but for me when you do you can see and feel the growth.
Honestly, at 4 months your probably not being aggressive enough.

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I’m being pretty aggressive with the pulling. My fingers, hands and penis are pretty tired after. With the bundles I can bundle to 360 but I can’t do BTC with it or even pull on it

92tmorgan said:

I’m being pretty aggressive with the pulling. My fingers, hands and penis are pretty tired after. With the bundles I can bundle to 360 but I can’t do BTC with it or even pull on it

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I had a hard time doing the BTC as well when my penis was shorter. Try to do your best pulling BTC. Using an assistant like the vacuum cup (SiliStretcher comes to mind) so you have leverage to do the BTC. I use this method while working and sitting down with a seat cushion that as a cut out for the butt tailbone (coxic).

92tmorgan said:

I’m being pretty aggressive with the pulling. My fingers, hands and penis are pretty tired after. With the bundles I can bundle to 360 but I can’t do BTC with it or even pull on it

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Just keep pulling and you will soon master the LengthMaster 3.

oldandlively said:

I had a hard time doing the BTC as well when my penis was shorter. Try to do your best pulling BTC. Using an assistant like the vacuum cup (SiliStretcher comes to mind) so you have leverage to do the BTC. I use this method while working and sitting down with a seat cushion that as a cut out for the butt tailbone (coxic).

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Hmm I’m trying to imagine it but can’t. You mean use the vacuum cup of something like a SiliStretcher? What exactly for?

@92tmorgan if you are consistent and keep tugging at your limit you will be able to master every exercise and progress fully into behind the cheeks.

92tmorgan said:

Hmm I’m trying to imagine it but can’t. You mean use the vacuum cup of something like a SiliStretcher? What exactly for?

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If the Length Master attachment or tools you use for not have enough length for you to do the BTC, which requires you to rotate the tool to be below your legs (hamstrings), and sit below the butt cheeks, use extension assistance to create that extra length. I have to add 4 inches of extension for BTC leverage back then.

Of course there is a correlation of length to bundle ability, but I wonder if we as a group could hammer out some sort of general chart from experience. For example, I’m just short of 7.5 BPEL/just over 8” BPFSL and can just barely squeeze out 2 full bundles (720 deg). I could be wrong, but my impression from reading the forum is that 8” and 2 bundles have a good correlation.

Maybe some of the brothers, especially those that have gained could share their recollection of where they were bundle-wise at different lengths. I think it would be helpful for the group.

Personally, I try to set aside a block of time each day for MAX-Bundle to push that limit. I was zero bundles for BTC on Jan1.

squirt_inducer_man said:

I believe you need to work on to maximize your bundles. Tug at the limit at what you can do, and with time you will increase this more and more.



Please do not put words in my mouth.
Maybe you misinterpreted me in some way?
Sometimes I give kind advice to brothers, just because I know it is not necessary to maximize your bundles in order to gain, but you will gain faster and more solid if you maximize your intensity with more bundles (more rotations of your penis). You will even be able to gain with only 1 session per day when you have got to the maximum intensity. But it takes a lot to get here (not easy at all).

In my experience it's also easier to cement the length gain if you maximize your bundles.

The more bundles you do with extremely high intensity, the faster you will be able to gain. If you get 2 cm (~0.79 Inch) temporary flaccid stretched length after a session of 20 minutes (10 min x 2), you will have a similar intensity that I had.

Before I quit lengthmastering I completely maximized the rotations of my penis (not every session, but very often), this was necessary for me in order to get to my length goal within 1 year. This is also the reason I recommend brothers to add a second handlebar on their LengthMaster 3 (when they need it).

The second handlebar was not just for fun, It had a purpose....look at this below.

https://mattersofsize.com/topic/sims-videos-and-instructions.1830511/post-1943712

Look at the angle I'm stretching at, this would not have been possible (my fast gains) without this second broomstick handlebar.
You will get strong fingers and hands with this technique. My hand strength are worse now because I do not do lengthmastering.

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Don't know if this is the best photo, I have many videos in my video thread that are describing this process/technique.



Other ways to increase the intensity:
🔗 How to increase the intensity in BTC-BS with LM3.

/ Hope this helps!

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Wow what an awesome post!

7o9 said:

Of course there is a correlation of length to bundle ability, but I wonder if we as a group could hammer out some sort of general chart from experience. For example, I’m just short of 7.5 BPEL/just over 8” BPFSL and can just barely squeeze out 2 full bundles (720 deg). I could be wrong, but my impression from reading the forum is that 8” and 2 bundles have a good correlation.

Maybe some of the brothers, especially those that have gained could share their recollection of where they were bundle-wise at different lengths. I think it would be helpful for the group.

Personally, I try to set aside a block of time each day for MAX-Bundle to push that limit. I was zero bundles for BTC on Jan1.

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I don't remember. But after 7 Inch BPEL I needed to increase the intensity to insane levels and maximize the bundles in order to keep growing. Almost though my penis would fall off 😁

(not really, but I have no other way of explaining the level of intensity).

Don't be obsessed with the rotations, just keep the intensity high and make sure you maximize temporary elongation after session + implement SRT healing. If you feel constant soreness in your inner penis, these are good signs for gains to come. Focus on feeling the stretch in your inner penis. Relax fully into the stretch = reverse Kegel.

If you can't feel it by attaching behind the glans, progress into expressive bundled stretches (attachment at the base).

Rotation increase will happen as you grow. I think when I first invented bundled stretching I was able to get 1.5 Rotation but after some time growing I was able to get 3

This is so hard to explain. But you will feel in your inner penis and ligaments what to do. If you don't feel the intensity in your inner penis and ligaments, you need to increase it some way. More bundles are the best way to increase the intensity, but not the only way as I explained in post #3.

7o9 said:

Of course there is a correlation of length to bundle ability, but I wonder if we as a group could hammer out some sort of general chart from experience. For example, I’m just short of 7.5 BPEL/just over 8” BPFSL and can just barely squeeze out 2 full bundles (720 deg). I could be wrong, but my impression from reading the forum is that 8” and 2 bundles have a good correlation.

Maybe some of the brothers, especially those that have gained could share their recollection of where they were bundle-wise at different lengths. I think it would be helpful for the group.

Personally, I try to set aside a block of time each day for MAX-Bundle to push that limit. I was zero bundles for BTC on Jan1.

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My experience is the same.

TWIST&PULL said:

My experience is the same.

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That would be cool

92tmorgan said:

I’m being pretty aggressive with the pulling. My fingers, hands and penis are pretty tired after. With the bundles I can bundle to 360 but I can’t do BTC with it or even pull on it

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What position are you stretching in? Are you using penis exterminator?

For me it’s easier (much) to achieve max bundle in this position, and save the max bundle for your last set when your already nice and stretched.

At first when I’ve maxed out my bundle going from say 180 to 360 there’s not a lot of pulling involved at first because the bundle alone is so intense.
Slowly increase the stretch over time and before you no it your maxed bundles in all 4 sets and it becomes easy very quickly.

Can you point a liming factor, that stops you going to the next level, grip,slipping, twisting, skin stretch?

TWIST&PULL said:

What position are you stretching in? Are you using penis exterminator?

For me it’s easier (much) to achieve max bundle in this position, and save the max bundle for your last set when your already nice and stretched.

At first when I’ve maxed out my bundle going from say 180 to 360 there’s not a lot of pulling involved at first because the bundle alone is so intense.
Slowly increase the stretch over time and before you no it your maxed bundles in all 4 sets and it becomes easy very quickly.

Can you point a liming factor, that stops you going to the next level, grip,slipping, twisting, skin stretch?

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This is what you have to do, to not get yourself into plateaus.

squirt_inducer_man said:

This is what you have to do, to not get yourself into plateaus.

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Just had a thought 🤔 fatigue from pumping might be the problem? I couldn’t do both.