From all i've read about these 2 dudes, stats put ron jeremy at an 8,5" and and holmes at an even 10" lenght. Huge i say but please...13 inches ??!! Hell no. Get an object that long, press it on your pubic bone pointing straight out and tell me if that is even a possibility... I bought a pump on a sex shop the other day for fun and the damn tube is 10 inches girth X 12 inches long plus the tip for the tube insert which adds 1 more inch to the whole thing. HUGE is what i say. Don't know why it is so big but then again i know sqwat about pumps so... Anyway that thing is 13" and looks like a leg. So after seeing this tube i DO NOT BELIEVE ANYONE to be that size. Maybe there are some freaks of nature out there with some sort of malformation that can be that long but usualy those also have like 14" girth, deformations and are non functional.
No way in hell is holmes that big. Hell even at 10 inches long the dude is enourmous so why push it to unreal numbers ?
Sorry about the rant guys, just my opinion which is worth what it is worth.
Also, Shortman37, ( i think that is the name ), you sir are shedding some major light on the black myth debate. Thank you for that.
I never bought into it myself, having many, many black friends, both female and male, we have talked this to death and concensus is: IT IS ONLY A MYTH and it hurts more than it helps, my friends tell me, cause when the pants drop and there is no other wordly foot long black dick then... " ohhh i expected you to be bigger..." kinda shit.
This has been also been confirmed by a urologist female friend of mine. She tells me that normal and average is what she sees along with the odd long flaccid ( long for her means about 6 inches flaccid, yes... i asked

) and nothing more on either black, white, yellow or whatever... So i guess that is also worth what it's worth.
Peace
Mike