Take alittle time and read please

[REDZULU2003]

FR is a wonderful thing and something that cut men can take advantage of, that other cut men years ago didn't know about so many props for Kong for getting members so involved in this. Next, there has been ALOT of abusive posts and/or threads here which are not welcome IN ANY FORM. Please if you don't believe in this, than say it in a MATURE MANNER and only a few times because it wears thin and becomes pathetic. I myself have noticed a 'odd' member hound Kong with alsorts of trash, slagging FR right off which isn't accepted....if you don't like FR or don't belive it or don't think it works, whatever than PLEASE DON'T KEEP GOING ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON about it, bombarding thread after thread with useless trash. I now will start getting DLD involved if this continues, and warnings will be issued than the possibility of a ban. No its not censorship, I believe in free speech but it goes too far here. Please RESPenis EnlargementCT this topic, and don't bash the fuck out of it. If you have negative feedback than fine, say it....negativity can help improve something but do it in a MATURE manner and don't go over the top. Its been getting too personal in here lately, and I would urge all members to start thinking about what they say in here and how that may affect certain people. Think before you speak and have alittle bit of respect. It wont be tolerated anymore, those who persist in posting bullshit in here that bashed the subject or is getting under Kongs skin will be dealt with. No this isn't saying, that if anything that kong doesn't like will be dealt with....what its saying is the USUAL members who do bash him will be dealt with. Its getting stupid, and its gonna start stopping. Be warned from me and the rest of the mod/admin team....bas-hers, stirrer's, bullshitters etc etc wont be tolerated anymore in this section.

 

[koooky]

I'm sorry. I can't be quiet about this. I just read Red's post over and I just can't keep my big mouth shut.

I know it carrys no weight, but I think you are wrong for stepping in like this Red. If you have followed this, you would see that it is Kong who has gotten out of line and immature and personal far more than Swank or others who have dare to debate him. Putting the debate on a scale, I think anyone would see that Kong is far more guilty than anyone else involved at going passed the line. From calling all cut men "pseudo-males" to getting his wife to post and saying Swank's girlfriend was faking it. I think it is great that Kong has opened so many men's eyes about not getting their son's cut, but he gets very bent out of shape when anyone questions any of his "facts" or "studies". Granted, Swank seems to have the gift of cutting Kong's post to shreads by paying particular detail to every single word and resource. But is that really a bad thing? Why shouldn't a questionable source of info be called out? Also, as I have stated before, what happens if you got some teenage kid barely out of puberty or still in puberty cruising this site and all of a sudden he decides that whatever sexual dysfunction he may have (or percieve to have) was all caused by his mother's and doctor's evil plan to make him a slave for the rest of his life by having him cut. Then, instead of seeking a doctor's help, he then decides to start FRing and decides that if he does it harder/faster that he can do it in 4 months where it takes other's years. This kid then forever more injures his cock when the whole time he couldn't get it up was because of some RX he was on or he had other real medical problems. I think the current tone of the debate between Kong and (mostly) Swank is fine and well within what I believed to be one of the man motto's of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. That of freedom of speech and the right to question info. I think if you are going to start warning and banning people for getting out of line, then it should be on BOTH sides of the coin and not just those who question arguable facts, points, and studies.

kooky

 

[Skepdick]

I'm sorry. I can't be quiet about this. I just read Red's post over and I just can't keep my big mouth shut.

I know it carrys no weight, but I think you are wrong for stepping in like this Red. If you have followed this, you would see that it is Kong who has gotten out of line and immature and personal far more than Swank or others who have dare to debate him. Putting the debate on a scale, I think anyone would see that Kong is far more guilty than anyone else involved at going passed the line. From calling all cut men "pseudo-males" to getting his wife to post and saying Swank's girlfriend was faking it. I think it is great that Kong has opened so many men's eyes about not getting their son's cut, but he gets very bent out of shape when anyone questions any of his "facts" or "studies". Granted, Swank seems to have the gift of cutting Kong's post to shreads by paying particular detail to every single word and resource. But is that really a bad thing? Why shouldn't a questionable source of info be called out? Also, as I have stated before, what happens if you got some teenage kid barely out of puberty or still in puberty cruising this site and all of a sudden he decides that whatever sexual dysfunction he may have (or percieve to have) was all caused by his mother's and doctor's evil plan to make him a slave for the rest of his life by having him cut. Then, instead of seeking a doctor's help, he then decides to start FRing and decides that if he does it harder/faster that he can do it in 4 months where it takes other's years. This kid then forever more injures his cock when the whole time he couldn't get it up was because of some RX he was on or he had other real medical problems. I think the current tone of the debate between Kong and (mostly) Swank is fine and well within what I believed to be one of the man motto's of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words]. That of freedom of speech and the right to question info. I think if you are going to start warning and banning people for getting out of line, then it should be on BOTH sides of the coin and not just those who question arguable facts, points, and studies.

kooky

Thank you very much for having the guts to make this post. That shows a lot of courage. In terms of questioning RED, I wouldnt worry very much about it. I am sure that he didnt clear what he said with his fellow MODs and he doesnt have the authority to make new rules in here, if DLD had a problem with people TACTFULLY questioning Kong then he would have said something in the last 4 months, he has not. So, disregard this thread and carry on like usual boys!

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

Thanks for the posts Kooky and Skepdick. I can only assume Red's post is directed at me as I have been the most vocal critic of what Kong has to say.

Though I am not the most prolific poster at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], I do enjoy the website and think it can be a terrific informational resource. It is becacuse of this that I feel the FR section needs to be a discussion of the topic rather than an exhibition of (mostly) what one person says it is all about, and what it will do for men.

I feel my criticism of Kong's facts and commentary is quite valid. While I respect Red's role as a great contributor to the site, I do not feel I have stepped out of bounds of been particularly abusive. When I criticize Kong's claims or informational resources, it is the same as a person debating the validity of any other topic (imagine if the issue was the effectiveness of penis pills, would criticism be equal to harrassment then?) I believe that Kong tends to interpret any criticism as a personal attack on himself and FR in general. This is hardly ever the case.

I believe that FR is not only possible, but a very worthwhile pursuit for some men. I also think that having a forum to discuss it on a website that deals with modification of the penis is a wonderful idea. But I also think that it is important that the facts presented on FR be representative of a collection of opinions and viewpoints. I disagree with the primary viewpoint as do some other men who have vocalized their objection, and thus a discussion has been opened.

In order for [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] to be the best it can be, we must not dogmatically accept anything, but continue to question and refine our knowledge. By simply accepting the opinions of one man who is protected from repeated objection, we limit our knowledge of something to only what one person has to say. This is not how progress is made. A forum is literally a place of open debate. It is not a showcase for one person's ideas, where dectractors are shooed away for calling the most vocal opinionist into question.

Though Kong is clearly the person most interested in FR on the forum, it is not his forum where his views are exclusively allowed. I understand that Kong has his own forum on the topic of FR and circumcision, and he can surely restrict the commentary allowed there in any manner that he likes. On [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words], FR and circumcision are up for debate, and I believe anybody's viewpoints are welcome.

On a note of personal defense, if anybody cares to go back and read the earliest threads on this issue to the most recent, I think it will be clear that I have made a greater effort to keep the debate from devolving into personal bickering. At times I have certainly let my tone and approach move towards antagonism, and both parties are guilty of this. I have recently made an effort to curb this behavior in my posting and I look forward to a more open debate and discussion over both FR and circumcision.

 

[kong1971]

I'm just as guilty as the rest of you, but I really am getting tired of seeing my name come up in a negative way over and over and over. The problem is, there are about five of you who can't seem to let things go. You guys are still pissed about threads that were over and done with months ago! You guys take what is said in here way too serious. It really must get under your skin! Yes, sometimes an idea has to hashed out, but I am seriously going to campaign to have some folks banned if they do not stop trying to personally undermine my reputation by suggesting any of the following: that I am strange, crazy, overzealous, quick-tempered, close-minded or intolerant. None of these things are any more true than would apply for anyone else, but it is repeated over and over again in a certain person's posts...and the sole purpose of that is to hurt my credibility here. Hell, I was even begining to believe it myself before I took a good, hard look at it and realized how someone had been manipulating things lately.

I keep hearing these FR sites and medical info described as "questionable" or "fishy" or "suspect", but I will tell you this right now. You guys only think this because one person says so. He repeats this over and over in a very persuasive way, but his opinion of whose info is credible and whose info is not credible has very little weight-- as he has been circumcised all his life, and has never seriously tried FR. I've truly enjoyed some of our debates lately, but this tendency to discredit every single FR and anti-circ website is just ludicrous. This is, after all, the same person who just repeats stuff he hears on pro-circ websites as fact. Wishful thinking does not change physical anatomy. Opinion does not negate the findings of clinical studies and research. Casting doubt on this verified info by repeatedly describing it as "fishy" or "shady" is only going to work so long without opposing proof, and so far I have only seen one flawed study from the pro-circ camp...that and alot of negative personal insinuations.

kooky's objection that some kid might find this FR forum and injure himself is just as ludicruous. I think that Penis Enlargement style exercises and the ideas Penis Enlargement promote about cock size are far more dangerous physically and psychologically than any kind of FR talk about increased glans sensitivity. Get real. Should we campaign against Penis Enlargement, too? Kooky, this idea was put forward by the same perpetrator.

One last thing: disregard this thread at your own peril. This was not put up without checking with other moderators. There are ban and watch lists in the moderators forums. Although DLD is firm on freedom of speech, there is a limit on personal attacks allowable here...whether they be loud and crude...or subversive and suggestive.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

Kong, it is rather audacious to spend so much effort saying that you have been unfairly victimized by men calling you names, then refer to Kooky's statement as "ludicrous." The fact is, you are very much guilty of the majority of the name calling and have repeatedly cast your self as a victim. Many of the criticisms made of your personal tenor and conduct are quite accurate. As always, I feel reading several of the threads in question thoroughly demonstrates this point.

My complaints about your information and claims are far more detailed and inclusive than simply saying your sources are "fishy" or "questionable." That is not to say that I think they aren't; I think many of them are highly biased and not sources that are credible or reliable. I explain my reasons for thinking this frequently throughout the threads. I am unsure of why you feel this is unfair. If I feel your sources are bad, I am free to say so as often as I feel it is merited.

Though I have occassionaly linked a website, most of my opinions are my own, derived from my own limited but working knowledge of human anatomy and other realavent topics. The simple fact is, there is not very much information regarding circumcision on the internet that is credible in teh first place and so I avoid it as much as possible, and about 95% of what is out there is written and hosted by anti-circumcision activist groups. A quick google search wil confirm this. I think that a read of the threads will actually reveal that the bulk of my arguments are built on common sense and a careful examination of the methedology and processes behind certain claims. Often my intention is more to demonstrate that a claim, while not necessarily quantifiable as impossible, is either unlikely or more opinion than fact.

I am not pro-circumcision by any means. From the very first arguments I have repeatedly made it clear that I think circumcision is medically unecessary and have never argued that it should be performed. Nor have I argued against the practice of FR or proclaimed those interested in it are either crazy or stupid. My specific objections are to some of the claims made regarding the supposed negative effects of circumcision and the proposed benefits of FR.

Kooky's objection about young or impressionable people possibly developing a negative body image from the anti-circ information is very valid. In the previous post Kong attributes Kooky's objection to fears that FR will cause problems, but this is incorrect. Kooky, and myself, have only objected to the anti-circ side of it. I do not recall anybody ever suggesting that FR information could be responsible for the problems Kooky and I have mentioned. Why we feel it may be detrimental is explained in detail in the threads so I will not repeat it here. A good summarization can also be found in the first post of my thread "A Little More About My Reasons . . ." found near the top of this forum.

And finally, to address Kong's threat at the end of the post; I have absolutly no fear of being banned for posting on the issues of FR and circumcision. I believe that Kong's frequent complaints of abuse and personal malice are easily dismissable if a person actually reads the threads from start to finish, and I am confident that those who do so will agree. I do find it regrettable that Kong has resorted to threat in order to silence those who would criticize his statements, but I will continue posting as I have before.

 

[kong1971]

My complaints about your information and claims are far more detailed and inclusive than simply saying your sources are "fishy" or "questionable."

No, they're not. And writing a 7000 word rebuttal to this doesn't make it so, no matter how well you write and how many times you repeat yourself. Even when I present clinical studies and articles written by actual MDs, you only attack the credibility of the authors. You're a smart, well-written man...but that's the only tactic you have...and it's getting very tiresome.

In the previous post Kong attributes Kooky's objection to fears that FR will cause problems, but this is incorrect. Kooky, and myself, have only objected to the anti-circ side of it. I do not recall anybody ever suggesting that FR information could be responsible for the problems Kooky and I have mentioned.

No matter how you paint it, FR is anti-circ. Why are you trying to seperate it, if only to try to confuse the issue and make some kind of imaginary subgroup of restorers who aren't anti-circ? Hell, I'm getting confused trying to understand this. The truth of the matter is, alot of this information is new and it is upsetting. Instead of trying to confuse everything or twist it to make it more palatable for yourself and your buddies, you really should just accept it or move on. FR is anti-circ. What's so hard about that?

 

[Skepdick]

I'm just as guilty as the rest of you, but I really am getting tired of seeing my name come up in a negative way over and over and over. The problem is, there are about five of you who can't seem to let things go. You guys are still pissed about threads that were over and done with months ago! You guys take what is said in here way too serious. It really must get under your skin! Yes, sometimes an idea has to hashed out, but I am seriously going to campaign to have some folks banned if they do not stop trying to personally undermine my reputation by suggesting any of the following: that I am strange, crazy, overzealous, quick-tempered, close-minded or intolerant. None of these things are any more true than would apply for anyone else, but it is repeated over and over again in a certain person's posts...and the sole purpose of that is to hurt my credibility here. Hell, I was even begining to believe it myself before I took a good, hard look at it and realized how someone had been manipulating things lately.

I keep hearing these FR sites and medical info described as "questionable" or "fishy" or "suspect", but I will tell you this right now. You guys only think this because one person says so. He repeats this over and over in a very persuasive way, but his opinion of whose info is credible and whose info is not credible has very little weight-- as he has been circumcised all his life, and has never seriously tried FR. I've truly enjoyed some of our debates lately, but this tendency to discredit every single FR and anti-circ website is just ludicrous. This is, after all, the same person who just repeats stuff he hears on pro-circ websites as fact. Wishful thinking does not change physical anatomy. Opinion does not negate the findings of clinical studies and research. Casting doubt on this verified info by repeatedly describing it as "fishy" or "shady" is only going to work so long without opposing proof, and so far I have only seen one flawed study from the pro-circ camp...that and alot of negative personal insinuations.

kooky's objection that some kid might find this FR forum and injure himself is just as ludicruous. I think that Penis Enlargement style exercises and the ideas Penis Enlargement promote about cock size are far more dangerous physically and psychologically than any kind of FR talk about increased glans sensitivity. Get real. Should we campaign against Penis Enlargement, too? Kooky, this idea was put forward by the same perpetrator.

One last thing: disregard this thread at your own peril. This was not put up without checking with other moderators. There are ban and watch lists in the moderators forums. Although DLD is firm on freedom of speech, there is a limit on personal attacks allowable here...whether they be loud and crude...or subversive and suggestive.

I will not be replying if Kong quotes this thread and replies, as things with him have a tendency to go blow for blow, back and forth, until the other member eventually gives up. However, as I said, these threats to ban members here, provided that legitamate aggressive insults do not occur (i.e.fuck you you fucking asshole NOT I believe you are misinformed and your references are sketchy), are not backed up by the vast majority of MODs and ADMINs here and everyone is free to keep posting as they have been. The threats to ban, made by RED and Kong do not speak for the mod team, just RED and Kong's personal opinion about "the way things should be."

I am done in this thread, no need to reply to this. But think about it, has DLD ever banned ANY member of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] for tactfully stating his viewpoints? Even the haters who continually post "DLD is full of shit" threads are allowed to stay.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

Not all men who choose to FR or are interested in it must necessarily share or agree with your feelings on circumcision Kong. The two are often linked - they are not the same thing. Saying that Kooky objects to FR for certain reasons is incorrect - he objects to the anti-circ talk for certain reasons.

So far as the first portion of your post - people can read the threads and decide for themselves. I am confident in my statements.

 

[kong1971]

The reported losses of temper on my part are after enduring hours and hours of long-winded and frustrating dissertations and subtle personal aspersions. I think it is only fair to admit that. There is an underlying motivation here and it is not to support the FR forum but to smother it under reams of confusing, repetitious and counter-productive discourse. If you cannot accept the things restorers feel about circumcision and find discussing it upsetting, or if you are uninterested in FR and discussing restoration, then you should frequent some of the other wonderful sub-forums here on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] and stop trying to kill this one. Most of the actual restorers here have at one point or another said the same thing, "If you don't like it, get out!" Not just me.

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

Once again, I am fine with FR. It is only some of your claims that I think are incorrect and have objected to.

I do not wish to smother anything, this is just what you are contending. I would like for the FR forum to contain more accurate and verifiable information, as well as a greater cariety of opinions. I am pleased to say it is already starting to do so.

I believe much of what you have claimed in the past (and continue to claim, such as trapped penis, ect.) is highly questionable or simply insupportable. Certain claims, such as FR may increase size, are not even taken seriously by the larger FR community so far as I have seen. Previously you have made claims to the effect that it WILL increase size, such as the sticky at the top of the forum. You have recently reduced this claim to "may result in size increase." In this case the presumption for your theory is a medical condition which you cite but I can find no evidence of actually existing anywhere.

I believe I have sufficient reason to suspect that hardly any men will experience size increase from FR, or that FR will even necessarily help with Penis Enlargement speed in general, as you have also proposed. There is a serious flaw in your claim and I think that it is misleading, therefore I have exposed it as such.

This is not a personally motivated attack designed to grind a person with tedium, it is the clear and expressed examination of the majority opinion offered here, and then presentation of a countering opinion. Many men may disagree with my evaluation, but plenty agree as well. It has every right to be posted here.

If I were to post a series of threads expounding on the wonderful lifetime health benefits and human grace of circumcision, would you find yourself not offering a countering viewpoint, or would you remain silent on the issue? Just as you would object in that scenario, so do I object when I think you profess false or inaccurate information.

I believe you have cast the issue as a personal battle to distract from the real issues being questioned and to attempt to thwart anybody who reads the threads from taking them seriously. I have never regarded this as a personal thing. It is, afterall, an internet forum. It is rather difficult to have a personal motivation against a person you do not actually know.

 

[kong1971]

Oh, boy...I see it coming...just let it go, swank. If what I theorize is true, it will be found out and I will be vindicated...if not, oh well, I was wrong...I think I'm right and there's something to it, but even I don't post about it as much as you do. You can only beat a dead horse so long...

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

Unfortunately I believe you are still incorrect on many points. For instance, whether the still standing "adult trapped penis" issue is something you have simply made up to support your ideas or a real thing.

You have now tried a variety of ways to get me to quit challenging and questioning many of the statements made here. It is obvious, to me at least, that you wish to silence any further debate of what you have to say. I feel very strongly that you are incorrect on several points and are entirely incapable of proving many of your claims.

As I said above, if I were to post rabidly pro-circumcision information (since we have a little problem with mis-quoting around here, let me be clear in stating that I think circumcision has no important medical benefits and is unnecessary), you would debate and raise issue with the points as you feel they are incorrect. As long as you continue to post ideas that I feel are misleading, unproven, or fabricated, I will continue to call attention to this.

In this respect the horse is very much alive, it's just complaining an awful lot about being held accountable for its statements.

 

[kong1971]

Look at this...he's arguing with a "dead horse" metaphor! This is definitely a game for him!

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

Don't mistake wordplay for lack of sincerity.

 

[Shithead]

I've just spent the last while going through every single post i've made in the FR section and there is never a single post by me that speaks out against FR, "slags" off at FR, or discredits FR it in any way.

I've also looked for any disrespectful attacks i have made directly at Kong, and i did find 1, BUT ONLY ONE. So...

Kong, sorry for likening you to jessica simpson.


So now, as far as im concerned this warning has nothing to do with me.

 

[REDZULU2003]

The threats to ban, made by RED and Kong do not speak for the mod team, just RED and Kong's personal opinion about "the way things should be.

Expect other mods in here soon and we speak for the whole team.

and warnings will be issued than the possibility of a ban

If you read it than you'll see that following the mod guidelines here.
Also read the whole post again, I actually made it FAIR. I said you can say negative stuff, just that some members go on and on and on and this is getting on Kongs nerves. These members than must be doing this for a joke.

 

[copper_handshak]

Kong has a cyber-stalker Just consider it a form of flattery. LOL.

 

[koooky]

Once again I can not remain silent. It seems to me that the mod team, or certain members, are completely taking Kong's side. It makes me wonder if Kong himself has also been warned. If so, fair enough. Then why call out the guys on the other side in an open forum and warn them and threaten them with a ban instead of doing so on the low with a PM? If Kong hasn't been warned to tone it down, then why are post like this allowed to coninue without such warnings?;

"By the way, and I meant to post this some other time but forgot, I have a fully intact frenulum..."--quoting Swank

"oh my god... you know how I feel...I fucking hate you, you fucker, and I don't care if I get banned for saying it... I fucking hate you, you smug little over-educated prick...what i wouldn't give to have what you have...to at least have something left...it was my body, not yours or anyone elses, to decide whether it should be left or cut off..."--Kong

Taken from "Another Study: Women Prefer Circumcision" page 2

Or...Why have post like this been allowed;

Here are a few PMs that I received lately. I thought I would present their questions on the open forums, along with my answers, so that everyone can prosper from my boundless wisdom.

From member "Spank":

Hey, Kong. I need your advice. See, I am an intolerable bore. I can't seem to talk about anything without rambling on and on and on. It's really awful, because-- you see-- I know everything about everything, but I just can't seem to talk to people about all my great knowledge without putting them to sleep. Also, I like using the term "ad hominem" because it makes me sound smarter than I already am. What can I do? PS-- I have this nagging suspicion that when other people employ parenthesis in their text, they are trying to misrepresent something I have said in the past.

My answer: That's truly unfortunate, Spank. I think that your problem lies in the fact that you do not have a foreskin. Foreskin restoration is proven to make men much more interesting and charismatic. There are numerous studies being conducted right now in my imagination that proves this groundbreaking fact. Oh, and about this ego-driven paranoia...well, you're just "full of yourself".

From member "Stepkid":

I don't know why I hate you, Kong, but I just do. There is something about you that grates on my nerves, so I am planning to go out of my way to put you down and make fun of you at every opportunity. Why do I feel this way about you? What did you ever do to me? I don't know. Maybe it's because my penis is bigger than yours or something. Anyway, eat shit and die. I hope you rot in hell.

My answer: Hmm, that's strange. I never had anything against you and always tried to be helpful and supportive of your interests in FR and Penis Enlargement. I think your problem is that you do not have a foreskin. It is proven that lack of foreskin makes men terribly irritable and hateful. Something to do with the glans being exposed. I'm sure there is a study supporting this on the internet, but I don't feel like looking for it right now. You've hurt my foreskin's feelings and I need to console it.
__________________
Make It Bigger! Make it Better!

Taken from "The Magical Benefits of Foreskin Restoration" page 1.

If Swank or Skepdick posted an obvious thread like this with in an attempt to make
Kong a laughingstock, they would have been warned or banned on the spot. I think when one goes back and looks at the threads, it is usually Kong who first resorts to name-calling and vulgar language toward another member. I think Swank and others are doing a fine job of not letting Kong get away with some of his "studies" and "facts" and presenting them as absolutes. How credible would a study be about abortion if all the testing was done to women who subscribe to anti-abortion magazines?

Again, kudos to Kong for opening the eyes of many about circumcision and it's practices, but I think he goes way overboard at times by making us cut men feel less like "real" men and make us seem like we are less likely to pleasure our women.

If all of us cut guys are "pseudo-males" for having a portion or our penis cut off, then does that make someone who lost their arms or legs "pseudo-human"? If we had a member here who had lost his legs in a war or in a car wreak and someone reffered to that member as a "pseudo-human" how messed up and what kind of uproar would result?

Maybe IT IS time for DLD to step in and read ALL of the post concernig the debate between Kong and Swank. Maybe it's time to think about completely shutting this section down completely until infomation can be given that is allowed to be debated and questionede if that infomation seems completely out of hand.

In closing, I would like to say that if Swank and others are eventually banned for questioning and debating Kong's ideas and theories, while post like I mentioned above go uncensored, then you may add me to that ban list as well.

kooky

 

[bIgjOe]

C'mon now guys, this has become the only section of the entire [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] forum that seems to have lost that tight family feel that it had. Sure FR is probably very debatable, but are Kongs claims to the benefits of FR any different than DLD posting an article showing how much more women like bigger penises? Of course someone will probably refer back to all people being different and many women may not want to experience a huge dick, but if you don't want one why are you here? Not as to say those counters to the huge cock example probably aren't welcome, but the difference between the two is that in this section of the forum the same people with the same counters just seem to keep at it. The point is in the case of both the main promotors of a certain idea are providing extra motivation because in both cases it is a long and tedious process, and sometimes you need a few extra reasons for continuing (whether they really are fact or opinion!) For God's sake if you disagree with it so much why don't you just put a link to a pro-circumcision website in your sig. and leave it at that. Let the man have his section that is there to promote something he feels strongly about.

 

[aares]

Bigjoe, its not just about something that kong feels strongly about. I know for a fact that swank, skepdick, shithead, and kooky do not oppose FR, and kong and everyone else dont understand that. The entire point (more than one can be made) has been repeated over and over again but no one seems to get it except for a select few. I dont understant it...kong is the reason for all of this. I bet half the people didnt even read an 1/8 of the replies to the threads in which this matter has evolved around.

 

[bIgjOe]

Aares, I read about 3/4 of the posts related to this matter, but since everyone involved seems to enjoy going back and forth it gets a bit tedious if not pretty disheartenin to read. I understand that those individuals don't oppose FR as I remember Swank particularly saying it more than once. I'm just saying that the counter has been put out there for everyone to read, and if someone wants to begin doing something without reading well into it before deciding if they really want to or not thats really their problem. All I'm saying is that some people just need to put their egos aside and just stop already, its really more trouble than its worth

 

[TheExecutioner]

I must say here too that, Although I agree with the pro's of FR and the majority of what Kong says, and I disagree with pro circumcision 'Medical Sheets' etc, I feel it is wrong to start parading Mod powers into this, and I personally would feel it is wrong if DLD just came in and started waving his Admin powers over people banning them left right and center etc just becuase this section is heated and in high debate. This is one of the greatest debating forums I have seen on ANY forum, so mods don't spoil it by shutting people up with bans etc.
You would also have to have read every single thread here to understand that neither of them have done anything wrong other than strongly disagree with each other, and yes Kong has made personal remarks against people yet he has apologized for this, so if anyone is in the wrong with this it is kong for making it personal but it isnt about who is wrong and right, it is about keeping the debates as they are with no personal slagging off and insults which is the only thing that has been done wrong here.

 

[REDZULU2003]

Okay lets get this ended once and for all.
Lets ALL agree who enters this section to be more thoughtful when posting, and show more respect and caution. Kong has made a complaint so we get involved, a member of the forums isnt happy....thats Kong so I and Still have taken it upon us to check it out. This public thread is best, because it isnt single'ing peole out...I cant speak for others, but my thread isnt targetting a certain person or persons...no names are mentioned. I have kept it professional. All I want is for whoever keeps getting on Kongs nerves to please tone it down and stop doing so. I have seen the amount of argumentative threads posted in here and it isn't fair. If you have something negative to say, thats fine....infact I promote it at my site on constriction, go and see. If its done mature and sensible than thats fine, but alot of the talk in here has been bashing and just going on and on non-stop when the runner of the section [Kong] has clearly stated he doesnt want to keep hearing it. Please lets let this drop. Turn over a new leaf now, lets get normal and start being more freindley in this fucking section. This is infact a main reasons why I NEVER come in here....its too hostile at times. Please lets just move on and stop going on and on about the same things, bashing the same things and people even. Sometimes its best for those who appear to live in this section to move about more in the other sections, that way they wont be so absorbed in this FR and get so damn obsessed with it. None of you can call me....I have been VERY fair....I havent named a single person on here, names have been assumed, but I aint said a word. A fair warning has been given to all who come in this section and if trouble keeps going on than warnings will be given. Next route of action after that is a ban. This type of order is Unrest, its creating unrest in this section ATM. Anyway, lets just move on and try to change. This will be probably and hopefully the lastime you hear from me in this section unless I'm called upon. But mark my words, I wont hesitate to get permission in banning anyone who keeps takeing the piss in here.

 

[REDZULU2003]

it is about keeping the debates as they are with no personal slagging off and insults which is the only thing that has been done wrong here

Spot on

 

[kong1971]

I read about 3/4 of the posts related to this matter, but since everyone involved seems to enjoy going back and forth it gets a bit tedious if not pretty disheartenin to read.

That's my main concern, not who's right or wrong, who says what to who, and what kind of language is used. It's this tiresome, pointless and endless "debating". I honestly think this kind of debating is unfair. It goes a little something like this: I make a statement, it's called into question, I present proof, that's called into question, repeat 15 times, I get pissed, everyone looks all innocent and points fingers at me, then I give up and they all chortle and say they won. From now on, if you want me to prove something, I will try, and if you question that, then you need to have your own proof disproving it or shut up about it. Got it?

 

[goodbutnotgreat]

Kong, new forum guidlines are being created specifically outlining conduct. Many people here have chipped in and said that your language and posting was far more offensive than anybody else's.

It is not your place to tell anybody what to do, on what grounds they can object to your statements, or to 'shutup.'