Loaded question really. Do you want "just" a hanger? Do you want something you can stretch and hang with? Stay away from vaccum devices as they are limited in their weight level long term and are over priced for what you get. Then of course, there's the blister problem you will likely face at some point. If you want a well made hanger with a solid how to guide, good customer support and a low price, there's my Malehanger. If you want more options for stretching as well when you're not hanging, there's the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words].
 
stillwantmore2;695668 said:
loaded question really. Do you want "just" a hanger? Do you want something you can stretch and hang with? Stay away from vaccum devices as they are limited in their weight level long term and are over priced for what you get. Then of course, there's the blister problem you will likely face at some point. If you want a well made hanger with a solid how to guide, good customer support and a low price, there's my malehanger. If you want more options for stretching as well when you're not hanging, there's the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]mos[/words] [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]lengthmaster[/words].

agreed
 
Disagree, I recommend the LG, which is a vacuum hanger. I used the Bib for over a year with small results. When you're starting out, consistency (getting to 10 hours a week) is important. I used Bib and bought a Malehanger - compression hangers. The time it takes to figure out how to avoid blisters with the LG is less than trying to get wrapping and avoid pinching on the Bib. Also, you're limited to 20 minute sets with Bib. If you want to do 3 sets in a day, including 10 minutes rest for circulation, it adds up to a lot of time you need to dedicate every single day to hanging. I am able to hang 1 hour, even 1.5 hours straight with LG with conditioning. After a while, you just get tired of doing the routine for compression hangers; it will cause you to not reach the 10 hours per week needed unless you have a lot of free time. It is very easy to get discouraged every day when you don't see the results (don't expect anything immediate with either) and then you start to ask if it's worth the pain, effort, and time to use compression hangers...that causes you to take days off or stop hanging before doing your target # of sets per day because you can't take it anymore, which can cause you to give up on PE altogether.

LG handles 25lbs, so maybe down the line if you reach that point, then you may have to go with Bib, but you can get a lot of hanging out before you even reach 25lbs
 
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So, how heavy do you currently hang with your "LG" bukkake? Most users don't seem to be going very heavy, or reporting/showing much in the way of gains despite the LG being out for a few years now.
 
bukkake;696047 said:
Disagree, I recommend the LG, which is a vacuum hanger. I used the Bib for over a year with small results. When you're starting out, consistency (getting to 10 hours a week) is important. I used Bib and bought a Malehanger - compression hangers. The time it takes to figure out how to avoid blisters with the LG is less than trying to get wrapping and avoid pinching on the Bib. Also, you're limited to 20 minute sets with Bib. If you want to do 3 sets in a day, including 10 minutes rest for circulation, it adds up to a lot of time you need to dedicate every single day to hanging. I am able to hang 1 hour, even 1.5 hours straight with LG with conditioning. After a while, you just get tired of doing the routine for compression hangers; it will cause you to not reach the 10 hours per week needed unless you have a lot of free time. It is very easy to get discouraged every day when you don't see the results (don't expect anything immediate with either) and then you start to ask if it's worth the pain, effort, and time to use compression hangers...that causes you to take days off or stop hanging before doing your target # of sets per day because you can't take it anymore, which can cause you to give up on PE altogether.

LG handles 25lbs, so maybe down the line if you reach that point, then you may have to go with Bib, but you can get a lot of hanging out before you even reach 25lbs



I agree. Don't understand why Vac gets so much hate (mind you it's from a competitor) but in EVERY single poll conducted on EVERY single forum: People like Vac better than compression. I have no doubt the LG is good.I have Vachanger and for the price it murders these compression style hangers.
 
stillwantmore2;696048 said:
So, how heavy do you currently hang with your "LG" bukkake? Most users don't seem to be going very heavy, or reporting/showing much in the way of gains despite the LG being out for a few years now.



Who cares? Any idiot can hang 30 pounds from their dick. The goal is to hang safely not just hang for hang's sake.Outside of you and BIB and your 100 fake handles VERY VERY few real hanger's safely and comfortably go over 15 pounds using any hanger.


Any compression hanger will hurt no matter how good your "wrap" (and that's always the reason it goes wrong right? lol... it's not comfortable right? I mean crushing your penis CAN'T be the reason can it???). Vachanger trumps any hanger in terms of safety and gains. Hell even BIB forum is full of more problems than successes.
 
Yeah and why your [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sig [/words]reads "owner/designer"? Bib virtually designed it and neither of you owns it. That trash ain't even worth patenting
 
templnite;696470 said:
Yeah and why your [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sig [/words]reads "owner/designer"? Bib virtually designed it and neither of you owns it. That trash ain't even worth patenting

It's crazy how BIB and this guy have dominated the scene with their dangerous device and bogus quack science advice. Hanging 25+ pounds from your penis? riiiiiiiighhhhhhhht.....as I said very VERY few real life vets hang that heavy or hang at all. The top gainers are rarely hangers and not one would recommend these insane weights.

Point to me one consistent heavy hanger who has gone at least 12 mths. straight without injury ? Oh yeah , I got two- BIB and this guy....with no proof of course.Guys who hang with BIB style hangers usually give up at 15 pounds when they see the injuries occur and no gains.

The way I see it if your product works and is good you don't need to hawk or shill it or make up quasi science bullshit why it's mangling your penis (of course it's always the user's fault) . You see Monkey around? Nope. He's busy selling his Vachangers.
 
Yeah still was training iveadream here who was doing all right at a good weight level and this Negus kept wanting him to up weight, said to buy smaller increments plates so itd be easier. All he received in the end is crocodile dick syndrome thanks to stills awesome wisdom. Guess what that guy just quit coming here until recently and never even bought the plates xD good for him. Too bad he never gained nothing doe, makes still look bad (worse?) lol if i was him id have already hanged myself and put some fractional weight plates in my pocket for good measure
 
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deadwood187;696467 said:
I agree. Don't understand why Vac gets so much hate (mind you it's from a competitor) but in EVERY single poll conducted on EVERY single forum: People like Vac better than compression. I have no doubt the LG is good.I have Vachanger and for the price it murders these compression style hangers.

I don't personally "hate" vac hangers, but I do like to give my honest feedback on their real world limitations. All devices have them. At some point in time, a vac hanger user will likely have an issue with blisters on his glans that he won't be able to work around. It's just a byproduct of the device design. No matter who makes them, how they are made, how they are marketed, a vac hanger is a vacuum chamber you attach weight to. They develop HG (vacuum) inside them. When you pull on the end of them, the vacuum inside the chamber increases. With more weight, the internal vac increases. It's easy to prove if you simply attach a hand pump with a gauge to one while you hang. A seasoned pumper usually never goes past a certain vac (HG) level.

My biggest 'beef' with vac hangers is the blister issue that gets sugar coated over (usually). Then, the guys who act like you can just hang more and more time with low weights with them and gain all the size you want. The penis just doesn't work that way. It adapts to the resistance you use. Hence the need to increase weight levels over time. The one big thing the sellers of devices like the LG have going for them is the fact that the average guy doesn't want much of an increase in size. He'll likely make his newbie gains and quit. OR, he hasn't been around the PE community long enough to realize that the average guy is done with his PE journey within the time frame that most guys are willing to experiment with PE....1-2 years. You see reports of blisters if you do simple google searches. Reports of gains? Reports of gains past the 1 inch mark other than the guys who help promote the devices? Picture proof?

Not trying to stir up anything, just food for thought. My hangers have their limits too, which I DO admit to, but they are fewer than a vac hanger has, if you are honest about it.
 
stillwantmore2;696490 said:
I don't personally "hate" vac hangers, but I do like to give my honest feedback on their real world limitations. All devices have them. At some point in time, a vac hanger user will likely have an issue with blisters on his glans that he won't be able to work around. It's just a byproduct of the device design. No matter who makes them, how they are made, how they are marketed, a vac hanger is a vacuum chamber you attach weight to. They develop HG (vacuum) inside them. When you pull on the end of them, the vacuum inside the chamber increases. With more weight, the internal vac increases. It's easy to prove if you simply attach a hand pump with a gauge to one while you hang. A seasoned pumper usually never goes past a certain vac (HG) level.

My biggest 'beef' with vac hangers is the blister issue that gets sugar coated over (usually). Then, the guys who act like you can just hang more and more time with low weights with them and gain all the size you want. The penis just doesn't work that way. It adapts to the resistance you use. Hence the need to increase weight levels over time. The one big thing the sellers of devices like the LG have going for them is the fact that the average guy doesn't want much of an increase in size. He'll likely make his newbie gains and quit. OR, he hasn't been around the PE community long enough to realize that the average guy is done with his PE journey within the time frame that most guys are willing to experiment with PE....1-2 years. You see reports of blisters if you do simple google searches. Reports of gains? Reports of gains past the 1 inch mark other than the guys who help promote the devices? Picture proof?

Not trying to stir up anything, just food for thought. My hangers have their limits too, which I DO admit to, but they are fewer than a vac hanger has, if you are honest about it.


" You see reports of blisters if you do simple google searches. Reports of gains? Reports of gains past the 1 inch mark other than the guys who help promote the devices? Picture proof? "


Sorry but this is the most fucking ridiculous statement I have ever seen.I can also google tons and tons of serious injuries caused by compression type hangers. And who has picture proof that your hanger works? Or BIB? Hell you and BIB don't have picture proof so why should a vac guy post proof? Regardless, I only know one truth- my own. I gained 1" with Vachanger following a routine of a dude I trust on TP (he doesn't post there anymore since it's run by BIB). I didn't even need high weights or a lot of time. Now what happens if I triple my time? Are telling me I won't grow? Come on...

Also, I have met more people I trust online who have gained more with a Vachanger than BIB. In fact,outside the aggressive BIB shills, most people you meet in pm or email don't like the BIB hanger and prefer Vac hangers.

Either way I don't care.I make ZERO money from whatever people chose. I think it's 50-50. 50% do better with Vac, 50% do better with compression. We are all different and react differently to penis exercises. To say one is "limited" or causes injuries is bullshit and it's just selling your stuff at the cost of another product. I have seen people gain and fail with both types. I have seen injuries with both type.

Truth is you have try them all and see what works. My mistake is Vachanger worked so I should have not even tried a BIB. If it's not broke, don't fix it.
 
Why ask for advice, or feedback? You know how you feel already and take what I say as personal attacks for some reason. If you love vac hangers, great. Rock it out bro. I won't stop you. I dont care who buys what. I'm just trying to make sure men know the limits of both device types.
 
templnite;696470 said:
Yeah and why your [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]sig [/words]reads "owner/designer"? Bib virtually designed it and neither of you owns it. That trash ain't even worth patenting

Temp, watch the way to talk to the Brothers here, be respectful and stop insulting or it is a wrap.
 
stillwantmore2;696048 said:
So, how heavy do you currently hang with your "LG" bukkake? Most users don't seem to be going very heavy, or reporting/showing much in the way of gains despite the LG being out for a few years now.

I hang up to 19lbs with fulcrum. I've been using it for over a year with correlated gaining. One great thing about being able to be do this consistently is that you can truly treat the process of PE scientifically. I used to hang 1.5 straight everyday, 7 days a week. It was okay to start, but I hit a plateau. I switched to splitting sets of 1 hour ever other day and I've gained again. I also used to use the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] after every set to prevent turtling, every day and found that hindered gaining. I switched to every other day and now completely taken it out as it is ineffective. I've found giving rest and ensuring the physiological indicator of morning erections is far more critical that preventing turtling. These are just things that work for me.

Would you rather spend your energy constantly trying to find the right balance of wrapping, adjusting the hanger because your fed up with the way it pinches a different part of your penis each time, and dealing with edema, or test out other complementary things that can help you gain?
 
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Very cool. See, I'm not against vac hangers. I just despise the guys who act like they're the greatest, totally infallible device with no limits, or design limitations. We need truth and transparency in PE. I admit my hangers are not for everyone and have certain limitations. Just like vac hangers do.
 
Jesus, those two are over here insulting you smh. Anyways back to reality, based on the MH design it should be able to hold weight of up to 100 lb right? I remember hookinh 100 on the BIB and it was fine (not attached to.my dick obviously haha, just lifted with my hands)
 
stillwantmore2;696660 said:
Very cool. See, I'm not against vac hangers. I just despise the guys who act like they're the greatest, totally infallible device with no limits, or design limitations. We need truth and transparency in PE. I admit my hangers are not for everyone and have certain limitations. Just like vac hangers do.


"You despise"? A bit melodramatic aren't you? You are the one going around trying to slag a superior product by telling people to "google injuries" when in fact compression type hangers are responsible for more injuries than vachangers. You are the one promoting your product as the end all and be all of all PE products. You are the problem, not everyone else.

ALL products have limitations. ALL of them. Some more so than others. You have a ve$$$$$$$$$ted interest in putting down a Vachanger so your word means zero to me and most. Most just are scared to say anything because you whine and bitch so the threat of a ban is always there. As I said- Ve$$ted interest.
You are not unbiased so why should any one care what you say? Not being insulting just being serious.
 
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Hey man :/ leave stilly alone, dont you see him donating every month? He pretty much owns mattersofsize through all those contributions. Please almighty still dont push that delete button your royal highness, on all them fools
 
Hey stillwantsmore I was gonna ask lightning if I could please have this months prize but seeing as you're the new purveyor and owner here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]mos[/words] ill ask thy humbly, can I have the prize pleez baws :^)
 
deadwood187;696726 said:
"You despise"? A bit melodramatic aren't you? You are the one going around trying to slag a superior product by telling people to "google injuries" when in fact compression type hangers are responsible for more injuries than vachangers. You are the one promoting your product as the end all and be all of all PE products. You are the problem, not everyone else.

ALL products have limitations. ALL of them. Some more so than others. You have a ve$$$$$$$$$ted interest in putting down a Vachanger so your word means zero to me and most. Most just are scared to say anything because you whine and bitch so the threat of a ban is always there. As I said- Ve$$ted interest.
You are not unbiased so why should any one care what you say? Not being insulting just being serious.

I am sorry if my choice of words is "melodramatic" to you. Nobody likes blisters on their glans that resemble STDs. Vac hangers can cause these and do when men misuse them. If that is "slagging" a superior product, I guess you are entitled to your opinion. Men do deserve to know what devices can cause what potential issues, don't they? I am not saying Malehanger is the end all, be all. I admit it has limitations. I say it's not for all men. I often suggest the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]Lengthmaster[/words] to men. You insult then say you are not insulting. How does that work? "You are the problem, not everyone else"

I am authorized to suggest my device to men here. Big deal? That apparently rubs you the wrong way. Your problem, not mine. I don't care if you, or anyone else buys my hanger. Most of my business actually comes from outside of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] through search engine traffic.

People giving their feedback on my hanger, or really any of the products available here is always welcome. Nobody has to worry about a ban for that...I don't know where you are coming from on that one. That somehow giving your honest feedback is going to get you banned. Now, doing like Temp has done and just being outright insulting, using profane language for no reason and slamming my device, especially as a forum member who should know better after he's been banned previously for similar behavior, yea that's ban worthy.

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templnite;696743 said:
Hey stillwantsmore I was gonna ask lightning if I could please have this months prize but seeing as you're the new purveyor and owner here at [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]mos[/words] ill ask thy humbly, can I have the prize pleez baws :^)


You should definitely win the prize!
 
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Can I be a moderator too? Ill delete deadwood immediately for not being in align with thy glo. Everyone shall glo and pay muney to slag and shill, this is how the brotherhood stunts now >:( when you mention almighty stills name bruh make sure you put some respek on my name niggih
 
templnite;696752 said:
Can I be a moderator too? Ill delete deadwood immediately for not being in align with thy glo. Everyone shall glo and pay muney to slag and shill, this is how the brotherhood stunts now >:( when you mention almighty stills name bruh make sure you put some respek on my name niggih

You're so silly.
 
How are those two even allowed to do this ish... slandering a senior member with longstanding ties to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].
 
It's sad really. I've never seen such unnecessary hate and rage in my life. Still is a good dude. He doesn't deserved to be provoked.
 
jekyllnhyde360;696756 said:
How are those two even allowed to do this ish... slandering a senior member with longstanding ties to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].

Anthony78;696757 said:
It's sad really. I've never seen such unnecessary hate and rage in my life. Still is a good dude. He doesn't deserved to be provoked.

Yes bow down pray to your lord and savior!

Forgive the peasantry big commander. Please, dont hit them
 
jekyllnhyde360;696756 said:
How are those two even allowed to do this ish... slandering a senior member with longstanding ties to [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words].



Slandering?

GTFO please.

Truth is you have to try all hanger's to see which one is best. If you are lucky you'll get the right one the first purchase. Bottom line is you have to try them all. As shitty and expensive as this sounds it's the truth. I personally love my Vachanger but I know guys who hate it. I know guys who love compression hanging but I think it sucks balls(At least with the ghetto hanger BIB),

My issue is I don't see the Vac guys aggressively shilling their product and putting down competitors. I don't see Vachangers running boards incognito like BIB does to sell their stuff. So whatever.
 
My issue is I don't see the Vac guys aggressively shilling their product and putting down competitors. I don't see Vachangers running boards incognito like BIB does to sell their stuff. So whatever.

To be fair, if you hang out in the Devices forum on pegym, the #1 promoted hanger there is the quite pricey "LG" Hanger. Granted, the owner of the brand (a redesign of the "Grip" and "Max Vac" hangers) is paying a kings ransom to be there. I don't believe there is anything wrong with product advertisement when the forum members know there is honest feedback. I don't pay DLD or any of the moderators here to speak well of me or my product.
 
stillwantmore2;698220 said:
To be fair, if you hang out in the Devices forum on pegym, the #1 promoted hanger there is the quite pricey "LG" Hanger. Granted, the owner of the brand (a redesign of the "Grip" and "Max Vac" hangers) is paying a kings ransom to be there. I don't believe there is anything wrong with product advertisement when the forum members know there is honest feedback. I don't pay DLD or any of the moderators here to speak well of me or my product.

We do not need to play those games as they do in other forums. What we sell on [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] is the best of the best. As far as hangers go the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] or MaleHanger are the smartest choices as you get direct support from the actual people who made and use it. I just can not trust another forum, [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] has no secret agenda, we are a Brotherhood for one another, a family and NO ONE can compare to the work we have done.
 
deadwood187;698213 said:
Slandering?

GTFO please.

Truth is you have to try all hanger's to see which one is best. If you are lucky you'll get the right one the first purchase. Bottom line is you have to try them all. As shitty and expensive as this sounds it's the truth. I personally love my Vachanger but I know guys who hate it. I know guys who love compression hanging but I think it sucks balls(At least with the ghetto hanger BIB),

My issue is I don't see the Vac guys aggressively shilling their product and putting down competitors. I don't see Vachangers running boards incognito like BIB does to sell their stuff. So whatever.

Bitch please, all you do is whine about how still lies about his hanger and make bullshit and about how hanging in shit.
 
Hey man watch the way you talk to my bestie for the restie. Dont listen to him oneeightseven, he's still but hurt about how they gypped him on his electric pump xD. That's why he doesn't like hearing about cheating people, damn five hundred bones down the drain, shoulda been in 3hunna my niggauh
 
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templnite;698289 said:
Hey man watch the way you talk to my bestie for the restie. Dont listen to him oneeightseven, he's still but hurt about how they gypped him on his electric pump xD. That's why he doesn't like hearing about cheating people, damn five hundred bones down the drain, shoulda been in 3hunna my niggauh

aww that's cute temp, you have a little crush on me, doing a little research creepin' my old threads, i guess i've finally made it, i have a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] stalker:) i dont swing that way, sorry temp, but im sure deadwood, will let you shove your wood, dead up his ass.
 
jekyllnhyde360;698318 said:
aww that's cute temp, you have a little crush on me, doing a little research creepin' my old threads, i guess i've finally made it, i have a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]MOS[/words] stalker:) i dont swing that way, sorry temp, but im sure deadwood, will let you shove your wood, dead up his ass.



Glad to see people start young with PE but isn't 12 a little too young ?

Seriously, you sound like an autistic 12 year old. Cool your jets a little.
 
Jekyll and Hyde chose his username to be anecdotal of his nightlife, at night when he becomes a tranny. I just thought it was you who paid all that money only for it to fail because that's the story of your life.

Seriously you're a retarded experiment trying to gain girth by squishing your dick with a glass jar. You were probably born In that same jar, out of aids and a disabled boy's smegma
 
deadwood187;698322 said:
Glad to see people start young with PE but isn't 12 a little too young ?

Seriously, you sound like an autistic 12 year old. Cool your jets a little.

Oh i see, you're pretending to take the high ground, like you've some how matured in the last week! Hey, isn't it you who lost his shit because of a little constructive criticism? ya, that's what i thought, nice try Ghandi :) 12year old? lol i think you should check your self!
 
templnite;698324 said:
Jekyll and Hyde chose his username to be anecdotal of his nightlife, at night when he becomes a tranny. I just thought it was you who paid all that money only for it to fail because that's the story of your life.

Seriously you're a retarded experiment trying to gain girth by squishing your dick with a glass jar. You were probably born In that same jar, out of aids and a disabled boy's smegma

This is just pathetic, i expected more from you temp! where's the creativity.
 
jekyllnhyde360;698329 said:
This is just pathetic, i expected more from you temp! where's the creativity.

I think Temp may be asking to be booted for good.
 
Pretty sure "Temp"=Former member Turnover. Was also obsessed with DLD, bi-polar, did not care if was banned and had a very similar personality type.
 
i am a little confused, wasnt it deadwood and Templnite that was attacking youknowme123321 for his vachanging thing, now vachang is just as good as the anything else.
 
Commodore;698469 said:
i am a little confused, wasnt it deadwood and Templnite that was attacking youknowme123321 for his vachanging thing, now vachang is just as good as the anything else.

They're the same person and turnover. Its basically a conspiracy to discredit swm and his following, you know the guys which he has hanging thirty plus lbs, and they're conveniently"not part of the PE community" so they don't really have any relevance. I would say they have minus credibility just because they're part of stills camp
 
I will check the ip of youknowme123321 and let everyone know if there were multiple accounts.
 
doublelongdaddy;698595 said:
I will check the ip of youknowme123321 and let everyone know if there were multiple accounts.

youknowme123321 has one account under his registration IP. I can check anyone and see if there are multiples.
 
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