scientific proof of Penis enlargement!

[Aimingforthetop]

once in a while i like to sit back and read alot of funny things on the internet. like: do people believe that the world is round yet? do they believe in acupunkture? what about Penis Enlargement do they believe in that? and what did i find? The doctors has apparently found it,,,,,,, TADAAAA it works!
once again it is in danish, i don't know if im the only danish guy here, but if im not could be cool if someone who where better at translating could do the job instead since i,,,,,, lets just say its long time ago i went to school (or so it feels)

the source is: videnskab.dk which means: science.com if you want to translate it directly. and the link for the article is here:
http://videnskab.dk/composite-2020.htm

i will now translate it, im sorry for misspelling and so on.



stretch the penis a little longer
17. march 2009 08:34 o clock

new investigation in the 'british journal of Urologi international' has shown that the penis can become longer without surgery
but it takes alot of dedication!

if you think that 1cm or two is going to make a big difference for your selfesteem and sexlife, this is not unarchiveable.

these claims comes from an investigation of a [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]penis [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words][/words], made by a team of italian scientists from the university of Torino.

A [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]penis [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words][/words] is a device which is made of plastic rings and metal bars which you can adjust so the penis will be stretched from the base, to the glans.

There is alot of them on the marked, but only few investigations of if they actually works as promised.

The Italian scientists have finally been looking on one of the products, the spanish " Andro-penis". and their results turned out that the results was around 1,7 cm on the test group.

The lenght was only measured in non erect condition and it hasnt been made clear if the test persons had gains in erect state. however the test subjects was overall satisfied with the results

Strong motivation
it takes a lot of motivation to extend the manhood- the 16 test subjects in the italian investigation used the device 4-6 hours a day in 6 months, there haven't been any rapports about any side effects, except for small discoloring that would fade away again, and 1 test person who stopped the test completely because of pain

The product is not used in erect condition and is working the same way as any other device made to stretch body parts, the more you stretch the more the body will expand.

The Producers are often supplying their commercials with self made investigations, but there is very few undependent investigations about the subject. The article that has now been made should be the first which is publicised in a scientific magazine about this subject.

Dr. Paolo Gontero from San Giovanni Battista Hospital, Univ. of Turin, was leader of the science team.

had already been operated
Doctors make a limit at 4 cm of what is not just a imaginary short penis, and only one of the test subjects was under this, a couple of the test subjects had surgery made on them earlier of other reasons, so it is probably not the same statistics for normal guys.

The scientists measured lenght of the flaccid and stretched penis before and after the 6 months, flaccid means the penis is just hanging there, and the stretched measurement is when you stretch out the penis and take the biggest measurement you can.

the common lenght before the investigation was 7,1cm flaccid, and 9,6 cm stretched. After the investigation the common lenght was increased by 2,3 cm in flaccid and 1,7 cm in stretched. there where almost no change in thickness.

Better than surgery
The scientists determine that the effect wasn't as big as the producer claimed in their commercials, but that it was a success compared to the normal bad results of plastic surgery on this subject, the results was still there 6 months after the test was ended

Head doctor Per Lundmo from Uroligist department at St. Olavs hospital in norway asks himself the question if this will have any effect other than the cosmetic part of it, but on the other hand there is not that many side effects from it

>> you can't advise people to not try this if you want a bigger penis, but they haven't proved that the functially lenght will be increased he says<<
'Sauna-cosmetic'
Lundmo says that it is hard to see exact changes in an erect penis without making a chemically provoked erection and this is probably the reason that this investigation doesn't have this included.

The Head doctor, who has more than 20 years of experience says that most of the guys who wants a bigger penis has a normal equipment from natures side and he characterize the need as 'sauna cosmetic' (the need to look bigger in the sauna)

At the same time he states that this kind of self threatment is way better than plastic surgery, plastic surgery is most of the time not successfull they can result in some major complications and is not really accepted in the good part of medicine.


>> even in USA which is the leading nation in the world of plastic surgery, you can be kicked out of the urologistunion for doing it<< says Lundmo.

and the end!

Well for me i think it is really cool that the scientists FINALLY have opened there eyes, it is clearly that what we have known for a long time is knew knowledge to them (expecting girth from the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words]??????)

But all in all this is a major breakthrough if you ask me, i hope some people find this interesting.

 

[MoreGains123]

This same study has been around for a long time. It keeps getting a facelift about every year. It was originally published by the makers of AndroPenis and was not a true clinical trial.

 

[Aimingforthetop]

well you might be right about that, i don't know but i decided to check up on it, just a bit. And i found that this is the main source: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/...-410X,1464-410X)&volume=103&issue=6&pages=793

unfortunately i don't have access to the page, but now i atleast know where it comes from, i don't know if this is all bullocks or anything, i just read and translate when i find something interesting

 

[MoreGains123]

It's good for it to pop up every so often. Many guys have been mislead by this phony trial. DO NOT BUY AN ANDRO Penis EnlargementNIS. They're dangerous and painful. They don't honor their money-back guarantee. The product does not work as advertised.

 

[yabuddy]

It's good for it to pop up every so often. Many guys have been mislead by this phony trial. DO NOT BUY AN ANDRO Penis EnlargementNIS. They're dangerous and painful. They don't honor their money-back guarantee. The product does not work as advertised.

How are they dangerous and painful when theyre modeled almost exactly like the Fastsize [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]Extender[/words], which DLD promotes?

 

[MoreGains123]

The original Andropenis (from when the phony study was written) were the noose type design.

 

[Big Al]

This same study has been around for a long time. It keeps getting a facelift about every year. It was originally published by the makers of AndroPenis and was not a true clinical trial.

What makes you say it's not a true trial? Their trial has been acknowledged by the U.S. National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/puBathm...sultsPanel.PuBathmateed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=1

 

[yabuddy]

The original Andropenis (from when the phony study was written) were the noose type design.

The fastsize [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extender[/words] is a noose design.

 

[MoreGains123]

That website doesn't determine whether or not the document contents are valid. You pay a membership fee and pay to upload articles. Follow the "Link-Outs" and you'll see it has been uploaded to numerous such sites. (These sites can be abused in such a way to be very misleading.)

There are many serious looking websites that you can upload your documents to in order to give them "validity" and make them look like they're "peer-reviewed and accepted".

 

[Aimingforthetop]

It has never been my intention to make commercial for any products, and if one of the weBathmateasters read this i would like them to remove the name of other products. when it all comes down to it, videnskab.dk is a pretty known thing in denmark, and if they have taken the article as good stuff, who ever has made it, has been putting it in the right hands, because it can result in Penis Enlargement becoming an accepted thing in the science world. or atleast it can make them open their eyes and make more tests on the subject.

 

[Big Al]

That website doesn't determine whether or not the document contents are valid. You pay a membership fee and pay to upload articles. Follow the "Link-Outs" and you'll see it has been uploaded to numerous such sites. (These sites can be abused in such a way to be very misleading.)

There are many serious looking websites that you can upload your documents to in order to give them "validity" and make them look like they're "peer-reviewed and accepted".

If you check out the upper left hand portion of that PuBathmateed article, you'll note that the abstract was referenced from the British Journal of Urology International (BJU Int. 2009 Mar;103(6):793-7. Epub 2008 Oct 16.) Surely that publication isn't accessible for just anyone to get published in.

Also, PuBathmateed doesn't accept just any article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/bookshe...lisherhelp#publisherhelp.What_types_of_articl

The "LinkOut" option merely shows other publications containing the same article, and journals like OvidSP and Wiley (a couple of the links under the LinkOut option) don't take article publications lightly. You can even glean from Wiley exactly where in the BJU Int the AndroPenis article is published: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122212687/issue

Again, what makes you claim that their trials were fabricated? These are very serious accusations, and since you're making these claims the onus is on you to show how this trial is "phony".

BTW, I'm not an affiliate of AndroPenis nor do I work for them. I've tried [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] myself, and while I personally feel that manual exercises are more time efficient, I've counseled men that have used various [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]extenders[/words] with good results. They can be a useful tool for enhancement when used properly.

 

[MoreGains123]

I saw the "trial documents" from AndroPenis and I've seen real trial documents from real trials: they were worlds apart. The real ones had extensive, detailed documentation with witnesses, verifications and double-checking. They have intro, setup, explanation of the trial, expected results, contingency plans, details on the participants, details on the staff, and so on and so forth. They're a difficult read and long and boring.

The Andro was a couple of pages with about a dozen men who were conveniently from various male stereotype groups (to cover the bases I'm sure). It was an easy read so that anyone could get through it and come to the conclusion that andro was great and worked for everyone! It was suspicious to say the least.

 

[Big Al]

I saw the "trial documents" from AndroPenis and I've seen real trial documents from real trials: they were worlds apart. The real ones had extensive, detailed documentation with witnesses, verifications and double-checking. They have intro, setup, explanation of the trial, expected results, contingency plans, details on the participants, details on the staff, and so on and so forth. They're a difficult read and long and boring.

The Andro was a couple of pages with about a dozen men who were conveniently from various male stereotype groups (to cover the bases I'm sure). It was an easy read so that anyone could get through it and come to the conclusion that andro was great and worked for everyone! It was suspicious to say the least.

What stereotype groups are you referring to?

As you stated, trials are "a difficult read and long and boring". Even most of what you read in medical journals are abstracts or summaries, which are condensed versions of full trials/experiments.

In researching this topic I've found some websites reselling AndroPenis with "Clinical Proof" charts and details similar to what you're describing. Surely they won't have all of the details of the actual trial, as most people looking to make a purchase aren't going to wade through the extensive details to read the results.

Is this what you're basing your claims on?