Protein Intake.

[REDZULU2003]

one can't digest more than 40 g of protein at the same time...

But you will gain without getting that much protein... if nothing else, 1 to 1.5x your lbs is an indication.

Hiya ... glad you posted in this thread as your knowledge is priceless.

Now I aint calling you out, so please dont think I'm doing that ... but do you have any sources that claim only 40g of protein can be digested at the sametime? I aint a clue. I have been told that its good to digest 50g of protein firsthing in the morning, as your body has had nothing in the night and its a great time to stock on protein ... thats mainly why I ask for sources ... I hope you understand mate.

cheers

 

[ggogeta]

Hum I'm gonna have to find my sources again rofl

Man that could be 50 g as you heard, but not much. It depends on your muscle mass, genes, health... But no way you can digest like 100g on 1 meal.

you can try this... If you're not the kind of guy that farts all the time... (stay with me there ) you can drink lets's say 30 g whey protein. Now you know that the excess protein you take will go undigested and then taken care of by the intestines. that means more gaz production. So if you're all right, try 40, 50, 60 g shakes until you feel (smell?) that it's too much.

That's pretty much an aproximation that you will get there, could be usefull.

 

[REDZULU2003]

thanks for the help

 

[ggogeta]

de nada senor give us some feedback rofl

 

[prince Albert]

Hum I'm gonna have to find my sources again rofl

Man that could be 50 g as you heard, but not much. It depends on your muscle mass, genes, health... But no way you can digest like 100g on 1 meal.

you can try this... If you're not the kind of guy that farts all the time... (stay with me there ) you can drink lets's say 30 g whey protein. Now you know that the excess protein you take will go undigested and then taken care of by the intestines. that means more gaz production. So if you're all right, try 40, 50, 60 g shakes until you feel (smell?) that it's too much.

That's pretty much an aproximation that you will get there, could be usefull.

What a load of bollocks were did you here that?any excess protien will be used as a source of fuel or stored as bodyfat.

I eat a 16oz rump steak once a week thats about 130g of protien and have 70g postworkout shakes and never get wind from it,on the other hand eggs in any amount make me fart something terrible as do beans and veggies.

Without a doubt when red starts using shakes even 20-30g he will get wind,nearly everyone does.

 

[ggogeta]

What a load of bollocks were did you here that?any excess protien will be used as a source of fuel or stored as bodyfat.

I eat a 16oz rump steak once a week thats about 130g of protien and have 70g postworkout shakes and never get wind from it,on the other hand eggs in any amount make me fart something terrible as do beans and veggies.

Without a doubt when red starts using shakes even 20-30g he will get wind,nearly everyone does.

You sound contradictory ...

"I [...] have 70g postworkout shakes and never get wind from it"

and then ..

"Without a doubt when red starts using shakes even 20-30g he will get wind,nearly everyone does"

I think protein that are -digested- and not used as muscle repairing or other usefull thing WILL get into fat.

Protein that will not be digested (most of your steak) will get through the toilet one day or another.

So if you're not getting fat, it's because you are actually using all the protein you are digesting for usefull purposes, while the rest goes into wasted stuff, since it's not being digested.

Makes sense?

 

[9cyclops9]

There is absolutely nothing in scientific literature that suggests that there's a limit to how much protein one can digest in a sitting. And there's nothing that says eating too much protein in and of itself will make you fat. It's when your total calories are too high--regardless of whether they come from protein, carbs or fat--that you will put on fat.

 

[goldmember]

and don't forget that amino acids need to go through the gluconeogenesis pathway to be converted into useable energy, and this requires a good amount of energy to carry out. That is why diets high in protein are less likely to fatten someone than a diet with equal calories and less protein.

 

[sikdogg]

...It's when your total calories are too high--regardless of whether they come from protein, carbs or fat--that you will put on fat.

Bingo... you hit it on the head.

 

[ggogeta]

I think protein that are -digested- and not used as muscle repairing or other usefull thing WILL get into fat.

Protein that will not be digested (most of your steak) will get through the toilet one day or another.

So if you're not getting fat, it's because you are actually using all the protein you are digesting for usefull purposes, while the rest goes into wasted stuff, since it's not being digested.

Right, there is evidence that one can't digest that much protein in 1 meal. You cannot produce that much digestive enzymes for all those proteines that your body is trying to break(in other words, digest). There are even supplements for that (ie. Aminogen) that consists of enzymes that will help break additional proteins.

For the "getting fat" issue, GM has a point there, there are many other factors. My point stays the same though. The protein you don't digest goes into farts and/or into excrements.

 

[prince Albert]

Right, there is evidence that one can't digest that much protein in 1 meal. You cannot produce that much digestive enzymes for all those proteines that your body is trying to break(in other words, digest). There are even supplements for that (ie. Aminogen) that consists of enzymes that will help break additional proteins.

For the "getting fat" issue, GM has a point there, there are many other factors. My point stays the same though. The protein you don't digest goes into farts and/or into excrements.

Where is this evidence?

No i wasn't contradicting myself.

 

[sikdogg]

I'd like to see this evidence also...

 

[ggogeta]

I'd like to see this evidence also...

By that I mean that you don't have infinite enzymes to break all those proteins. I heard it too many places, begining with bodybuilding.com. Why wouldn't everyone drink 200 g whey shakes then?

And why would aminogen (supplemental enzymes to digest more protein) exist? Check out their web site, they mention it there too.

I've just googled "protein absorption" and most sites are saying the same.

You gotta break proteins into amino acids, and it must take time and energy to that, and well, by the time more food comes in, the excess goes into the digestive system, and is then excreted or farted.

 

[ggogeta]

Where is this evidence?

No i wasn't contradicting myself.

Can you explain this to me then :

"I [...] have 70g postworkout shakes and never get wind from it"

and then ..

"Without a doubt when red starts using shakes even 20-30g he will get wind,nearly everyone does"

You are basically saying that you never get a wind from 70 g protein shake, but red would? That's what I understand.

If so, what was your point? I'm not flaming, I guess I'm just a slow bastard that understand nothing rofl

 

[ggogeta]

Here's a another forum's thread: http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/limit_on_protein_absorption/m_70726/tm.htm

Here's a study.

http://www.aminogen.com/studies.htm

 

[prince Albert]

Can you explain this to me then :



and then ..



You are basically saying that you never get a wind from 70 g protein shake, but red would? That's what I understand.

If so, what was your point? I'm not flaming, I guess I'm just a slow bastard that understand nothing rofl

What i'm saying is anybody who makes a change to there diet will more than likely experiance wind,red starts using 20g shakes a couple of times a day and he will start to fart,now going of your theory that means he is eating to much protein but its simply a change to his diet,people who don't eat enough fibre then start to often get the runs and bad wind,same goes when someone starts eating fruit and veg if they don't normaly do so,i get bad wind if i eat junk food because its not something i normaly eat.

 

[prince Albert]

Here's a another forum's thread: http://www.discussbodybuilding.com/limit_on_protein_absorption/m_70726/tm.htm

Here's a study.

http://www.aminogen.com/studies.htm

Ive seen countless threads on forums debating how much protein one can take.

Thats not a research study were are the references at the bottom of the page?

A research study done by a company trying to sell you a product,i suppose you believe the muscletech research studys as well.

Heres a thought for you,how do you explain the gains long time trainers have made after spells of no growth simply by upping there protien intake?

I used to consume about 200g a day i swapped to 300-350g a day and gains started to happen,you see this time and time again on bb forums.

 

[REDZULU2003]

So may I chip in here ... if I weight 147lbs that makes me needing to consume around 217g of protein per day right? or should I consume more?

 

[sikdogg]

I agree that there is a limit to how much protein once can absorb from each meal but no one really knows what that limit is... it's not like once you take in X amount of protein, you are no longer able to absorb any more. It is a gradual decline as you deplete the enzymes but you are still able to continue absorbing a small amount because your body continues to produce the enzyme. I know plenty guys that will not drink a protein shake that contains less than 100g protein. They drink these shakes pre and post workout as well as with a few meals and these guys are monsters... 270+ pounds. They claim that their protein intake is what allows them to make continuous gains with or withour gear.

 

[REDZULU2003]

I agree that there is a limit to how much protein once can absorb from each meal but no one really knows what that limit is... it's not like once you take in X amount of protein, you are no longer able to absorb any more. It is a gradual decline as you deplete the enzymes but you are still able to continue absorbing a small amount because your body continues to produce the enzyme. I know plenty guys that will not drink a protein shake that contains less than 100g protein. They drink these shakes pre and post workout as well as with a few meals and these guys are monsters... 270+ pounds. They claim that their protein intake is what allows them to make continuous gains with or withour gear.

Can you help me with my protein intake? I weigh 147lbs so according to the formula I should take in about 217 grams of protein per day ... what do you think I should aim for eachday in protein? I got the routine sorted, its pretty neat and works the body well ... got all the other supps sorted and will be starting very soon once I get the L-Glutamine sent to me.

Would something like 300 grams protein per day be more sensible? and is it best to take a protein shake before and after the sessions?

 

[ggogeta]

You are right about the fact that I do not have the exact study for now. And I'm pretty sure one can absorb more than the other... depends on your metabolism. the "Beasts" may be able to absorb protein very easily, while others arn't.

What I know is that since I lowered my protein intake, I stoped farting like a mofo.

The precision you made makes sense Prince albert. I didn't know a drastic change in diet could give you gaz though.

Anyways, can we settle that taking a big load at 1-2 / day is worse than multiple times a day

And too much protein, whatever is the number for you, can make you fart. That was my point.

 

[prince Albert]

You are right about the fact that I do not have the exact study for now. And I'm pretty sure one can absorb more than the other... depends on your metabolism. the "Beasts" may be able to absorb protein very easily, while others arn't.

What I know is that since I lowered my protein intake, I stoped farting like a mofo.

The precision you made makes sense Prince albert. I didn't know a drastic change in diet could give you gaz though.

Anyways, can we settle that taking a big load at 1-2 / day is worse than multiple times a day

And too much protein, whatever is the number for you, can make you fart. That was my point.

Red at your weight 200g should be more than enough,aim for 6 meals a day 30-40g each meal which is roughly a tin of tuna,a chicken breast or 2 scoops of whey

 

[against_odds21]

I've been using some protein whey for a few months, but I know I haven't been taking it correctly. I've just taken half a scoop of the cup that comes with the gnc bottle. I weigh 160lbs. The scoop cup says 70cc at the bottom and the handle has 25 on it. How much of this should I be taking roughly and when? I've just been lazy about finding out. Lifting is not all that important to me, but I do lift about 4 times a week and taking this stuff right could help more.

 

[ggogeta]

I've been using some protein whey for a few months, but I know I haven't been taking it correctly. I've just taken half a scoop of the cup that comes with the gnc bottle. I weigh 160lbs. The scoop cup says 70cc at the bottom and the handle has 25 on it. How much of this should I be taking roughly and when? I've just been lazy about finding out. Lifting is not all that important to me, but I do lift about 4 times a week and taking this stuff right could help more.

it'S said that whey protein should be used right after a workout, since they absorb so fast ( less than 30 mins)

Isolate whey is pre digested you know. (often you will see "hydrolized", well that means this.)

 

[REDZULU2003]

Good question ... so how many grams would a tablespoon and teaspoon be equal to?

 

[goldmember]

it'S said that whey protein should be used right after a workout, since they absorb so fast ( less than 30 mins)

Isolate whey is pre digested you know. (often you will see "hydrolized", well that means this.)

Whey protein isolate is simply isolated from other components of whey. It isn't pre-digested. Hydrolyzed whey is usually concentrated whey subjected to acid hydrolysis, breaking it into amino acids and short peptides.

 

[goldmember]

Good question ... so how many grams would a tablespoon and teaspoon be equal to?

For most powder substances that we deal with, a teaspoon is 4-5 grams and a tablespoon is 10-20 grams. L-glutamine is much denser than sugar, as a tablespoon of sugar is about 13 grams, and a tablespoon of glutamine is about 20 grams.

 

[REDZULU2003]

So I also presume that the whey protein is also much denser than sugar and would come out at about x1 tablespoon equals 20 grams.

cheers

 

[goldmember]

So I also presume that the whey protein is also much denser than sugar and would come out at about x1 tablespoon equals 20 grams.

cheers

For some reason glutamine is more dense than any other powder I have tasted, not considering stuff (legal) I've dealt with in the lab. Just use the scoop that is included with the protein.

 

[REDZULU2003]

as always cheers

 

[ggogeta]

Whey protein isolate is simply isolated from other components of whey. It isn't pre-digested. Hydrolyzed whey is usually concentrated whey subjected to acid hydrolysis, breaking it into amino acids and short peptides.

So some labels are misleading rofl. but ...

breaking it into amino acids and short peptides

isn't this what digestion does?

 

[goldmember]

isn't this what digestion does?

Yes, but by pre-digesting it, the body can absorb the amino acids almost as fast as it can absorb sugar. This has its advantages and disadvantages.

 

[against_odds21]

For some reason glutamine is more dense than any other powder I have tasted, not considering stuff (legal) I've dealt with in the lab. Just use the scoop that is included with the protein.

I will try full scopes. I've been doing half for about two months or so.

 

[ggogeta]

Yes, but by pre-digesting it, the body can absorb the amino acids almost as fast as it can absorb sugar. This has its advantages and disadvantages.

So my point was partially right, isolate is kinda partially pre-digested, and this is why we can absorb it so fast.

But I know fast isn't necessarily meaning good... gotta know when to use it

 

[goldmember]

So my point was partially right, isolate is kinda partially pre-digested, and this is why we can absorb it so fast.

But I know fast isn't necessarily meaning good... gotta know when to use it

Isolate is not pre-digested at all. Maybe I wasn't clear enough: Whey protein isolate is whey which has had most of the fat, lactose, and other non-protein components removed. Hence, whey protein isolate. The peptide chains are still fully intact.

Hydrolyzed whey protein is usually whey protein concentrate (still some fat and lactose remain) which is subjected to acid hydrolysis. This leaves the fat and carbs (some of it is no longer useable) but the peptide chains are mostly broken down into mono-, di-, tri-, and oligo-peptides.

The only advantage whey isolate has over whey concentrate is that most of the fat and carbs are removed. I see little advantage of this, especially at the high cost of whey isolate in comparison to concentrate. Another advantage to concentrate is that many growth factors and immune system boosting peptide sequences are left undamaged. A little fat and carbs won't hurt (unless you are lactose intolerant, then I would suggest adding lactase).

 

[ggogeta]

okay, it's clear now. I'd have many other things to say, but that's for another thread rofl

thanks.

 

[sikdogg]

Here's a good read on protein myths...

http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hsn_artcls_proteinmyths.html

 

[ggogeta]

reading it...