hot Rox??

[mkay45]

About a month ago I started a thread on hydroxycut and NO2 and got some good feedback from members on this board. While the hydroxycut did not work well, the NO2 was quite a useful supplement in terms of adding strength and bulking up on mass.

Now that I want to shred (doing the 3 mile a day as well as succumbing to a good diet with no soda, fast food or beer ......)
I was wondering if anyone here had tried Hot Rox by Biotest, as it was recommended to me by a friend as the best supplement to cut fat......

Any reviews or suggestions on Hot Rox either for or against (ie, if you have used it or had friends that did) would be appreciated and thanks!

 

[harmonic169]

This is my reccomendation for Hot-Rox:
I lost three pounds in one week sitting on my couch, eating pizza.

Yes, it works. And it'll give you a hell of an energy boost at that. The price is a little steep, so I'd say half the reccomended daily of Hot-Rox with 300mg of green tea extract a day. Should have you burning calories like you're an English Chemist.

-Harm-

 

[pullups]

well i've never taken hot rox personally, ive heard very good things about it

here is a review:
http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/weight-loss-etc/biotest-hot-rox-review-1.htm

and here is Hot Rox dirt cheap 110 caps 34 bucks....this is a cheap and fast and reliable site: http://www.dpsnutrition.net/product_information.asp?number=BO051&back=search&dept=

 

[pullups]

o and half the dosage is one pill lol you should probablly cycle it tho

 

[millionman]

No need to cycle it. I found a like from Cy to a thread discussing it, but it's a dead link. There is no reason to cycle as it won't accumulate in your system and it won't cause any kind of systemic shut down, and there is no evidence that you can become insensitive to it requiring a higher dosage. This was the case for ephedra and the ECA stacks.

Also about Green Tea Extract Cy Wilson says "Due to caffeine content as well as catechins inhibiting degradation of norepinephrine, it could cause increases in heart rate and blood pressure when used with HOT-ROX.

Drinking a glass of green tea, especially decaffeinated isn't likely to be a problem, I'm talking about concentrated extract products.

Hope that helps."

Max Strength Hot-Rox are on there way to my house. I'm stoked, since I've been using the GNC version, which is not as potent, and I've been doing well with it. Good stuff from a company that stays on the edge of innovation. I like that, and I hope they're able to continue operating even though there niche group is fairly small compared to the other supp companies and late night infomercial crowds. Try them out for a while and see what you think.

 

[sweets]

These caffiene supplements always made me feel like I was awall on coke(no pun intended)
best way to lose some of the fat is to cut 95% of the hydrogenated oils(found highly in fast food and other deep fried foods)
Cardio or running type excerses
ab excersices
more than half has to do with diet,obviously harder said that done...
Cytodyne, I have had excellent results with and feels very stimulent free not so much for cutting fat but over all mass/

 

[pullups]

buddy your body builds a tolerance to everything, its a thermogenic that increases your heart rate....basically you are supposed to cycle thremogenics, no one who has been lifting or working out for longer then 5 years has told me different....but hey what do i know

 

[millionman]

Hydromaxmm...I have to say that although you have a point to an extent. The thread that I had linked from t-nation where cycling was discussed was down, but a good bit of the info I recalled is from Cy Wilson directly. He is one of the creators of Hot-Rox and just about anything Biotest has ever made, and if he says it doesn't need to be cycled then it doesn't need to be cycled. Hot-Rox does not have to be cycled, as it does not function through the same pathways as Ephedra based products, and this can be clearly seen from the reality that Hot-Rox has a nitrogen sparing effect when leaning out, but Epehedra did not. Ephedra is stimulant based, while something similar can be said about Hot-Rox it is not a stimulant in the same way. It works through different pathways, it does not excite the CNS in the same way, and it does not require increasing doses to maintain it's effectivenes.

I also wish to add that jut because you've been lifting for 5+ years in no way makes you an authority. I'm a fairly young man, but I've been around the iron nearly 10 years and I would not consider myself an expert on anything as there are individuals much smarter than I that have gone before me. My hope is that one day I can make my mark in a similar fashion, but that is much further down the road at this moment and time. I however do read a great deal and pay attention to detail. I would for no reason want to mislead anyone into misusing a product. With that said it is in my opinion that Hot-Rox does not need to be cycled, and in personal experience I haven't had to cycle at all. I will at some point come off of Hot-Rox here in another 12 weeks, but that is only because it is strongly recommended that Carbolin 19 and Hot-Rox not be taken together due to the accumulation of cyclic-Amp. Which I will be using once I've gotten down to 8% bf. In my experience I've been able to maintain a tremendous amount of lean mass while getting leaner and my body weight is staying about the same which would mean my LBathmate is going up as well. This is not suppose to happen when you're dieting down, but it is. That is a credit to Biotest and the products that they make, but also to my own dedication and desire to reach the goals I've set for myself. It's hard work, and no pill is going to do it for you, but it can help a good deal when you're attempting to mazimize the total effect.

 

[goldmember]

I would definitely cycle it. You will build a tolerance to caffeine very shorty, but the other ingredients might not. I took "Tight!" by SAN and have to say it's a great supplement, but the effects wore off after a month of taking it. I would personally start off with half the suggested dosage, then increase to full dosage after about two weeks. If you notice it declining in effect, then cycle off...but if not, continue to take them. They are pretty cheap at bodybuilding.com...like half of what they used to cost.

 

[pullups]

Hydromaxmm...I have to say that although you have a point to an extent. The thread that I had linked from t-nation where cycling was discussed was down, but a good bit of the info I recalled is from Cy Wilson directly. He is one of the creators of Hot-Rox and just about anything Biotest has ever made, and if he says it doesn't need to be cycled then it doesn't need to be cycled. Hot-Rox does not have to be cycled, as it does not function through the same pathways as Ephedra based products, and this can be clearly seen from the reality that Hot-Rox has a nitrogen sparing effect when leaning out, but Epehedra did not. Ephedra is stimulant based, while something similar can be said about Hot-Rox it is not a stimulant in the same way. It works through different pathways, it does not excite the CNS in the same way, and it does not require increasing doses to maintain it's effectivenes.

I also wish to add that jut because you've been lifting for 5+ years in no way makes you an authority. I'm a fairly young man, but I've been around the iron nearly 10 years and I would not consider myself an expert on anything as there are individuals much smarter than I that have gone before me. My hope is that one day I can make my mark in a similar fashion, but that is much further down the road at this moment and time. I however do read a great deal and pay attention to detail. I would for no reason want to mislead anyone into misusing a product. With that said it is in my opinion that Hot-Rox does not need to be cycled, and in personal experience I haven't had to cycle at all. I will at some point come off of Hot-Rox here in another 12 weeks, but that is only because it is strongly recommended that Carbolin 19 and Hot-Rox not be taken together due to the accumulation of cyclic-Amp. Which I will be using once I've gotten down to 8% bf. In my experience I've been able to maintain a tremendous amount of lean mass while getting leaner and my body weight is staying about the same which would mean my LBathmate is going up as well. This is not suppose to happen when you're dieting down, but it is. That is a credit to Biotest and the products that they make, but also to my own dedication and desire to reach the goals I've set for myself. It's hard work, and no pill is going to do it for you, but it can help a good deal when you're attempting to mazimize the total effect.

first off caffine is a stimulant which hot rox has plenty of, i ve taken xenadrine Efx cycling and not cycling and have had much better results cycling and that is not ephedra based and unlie RFA-1 never was ment to.

i was using 5 years as an example, i have lifted more then 5 years and im only 19...but i am very muscular for both my age and frame. But I have done very tedious research and have taken many college courses that deal somewhat with stimulants.

Ok and LBathmate is supposed to increase when you cut. Which was and still is the case with me. the important thing is to maintain muscle

you say you've had good results w/o cycling....have u ever tried to cycle it? your body does build up to a tolerance to certain things in hot rox aka caffine.

I am a powerlifter, who at the current moment is cutting b/c basically i was getting to big for my taste. still the case like you said you nor i are experts and ppl do no more shit then us, im just going on what ive been told by others who are more experience and knowledgeable then myself.

and just so you know most companies that make thermogens say you shouldnt cycle, b/c of the monetary gain that is to be made. but biotest is a fantastic in all the products they make

p.s. dont take this post or the previous post the wrong way as an attack on you. i tend to take alot of things personally when they are obviously not. as 9c9.....

 

[9cyclops9]

as 9c9.....

Huh? What about me? Finish the sentence, please, there's too much anticipation.

 

[pullups]

remember the whole HIIT vs. Walking thing........

 

[millionman]

When it comes to knowledge and asking people who are in the know. Cy Wilson is very clear about what should and should not be cycled, according to the product in question. In his opinion Hot-Rox does not need to be cycled. Yes, caffeine is a stimulant, but overall the percentage of caffeine in Hot-Rox is much lower than what was in old Ephedra based thermogenics. Also, if caffeine was the primary reason that ephedra based products should be cycled then why was it banned because of ephedra. The CNS stimulation that is caused by ephedra is the reason necessary for cycling, as the CNS develops a dependency and also a higher baseline dose to achieve the same effect. The CNS overstimulatoin is what caused the problem, from the Ephedra, not from the caffeine.

Hot-Rox does not work through the same mechanisms as the ECA stack and it's derivatives. You may want to cycle, depending on what your goals are but as it is not essential to whether or not Hot-Rox will still be effective there is no evidence to support this need. That's from personal experience as well as from many others who have done similar things. The percentage of caffeine in Hot-Rox does not warrant cycling. The caffeine is only a small part of the greater whole. The A7-E gel is what makes Hot-Rox effective and where other non-ephedra based thermogenics fall face first. That's all I can say on this topic, as anymore would be repeating what I've already said, and if you really want to know about Hot-Rox more in depth you can always go over to T-nation and read through the supplements and nutrition section and you'll find your answers. Good luck to you pyro while you're cutting.

 

[millionman]

Good luck to you pyro while you're cutting.[/QUOTE]

My apologies I meant to say IM2.

Pyro on another note you may want to go over to T-nation and read the expose on NO2 and arginine based products. It's worth a read, as that garbage is entirely too expensive and may not be as effective as they "report" to be true in their "research" findings. It's a good read, but it's a two part article. Heck, I'll give you the links for once

Article I
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556124

Article II
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556939

 

[pullups]

wait isnt there around 200mg of caffine per pill in hot rox.....similiar to a ECA stack....and i never ever said that caffine was the reason ephedra was banned. the reason ephedra was banned was b/c stupid ppl abused it and used it as a miracle diet pill....but thank god ephedra hcl is back

 

[crazyed27]

About a month ago I started a thread on hydroxycut and NO2 and got some good feedback from members on this board. While the hydroxycut did not work well, the NO2 was quite a useful supplement in terms of adding strength and bulking up on mass.

Now that I want to shred (doing the 3 mile a day as well as succumbing to a good diet with no soda, fast food or beer ......)
I was wondering if anyone here had tried Hot Rox by Biotest, as it was recommended to me by a friend as the best supplement to cut fat......

Any reviews or suggestions on Hot Rox either for or against (ie, if you have used it or had friends that did) would be appreciated and thanks!

Here is a link on Hot-Rox by Biotest. It is like 15 pages long. It is like a question and answer thread, with people posting there experiences while taking Hot Rox, so every question you might have should be answered in it.

HOT ROX Biotest Thread

 

[murrayo]

My two cents... It didn't work any miracles for me. I gave it a little more than a month and worked through the bottle with no notable results. I had body fat tests done before and after with zero loss.

I do workout weekdays with three hard cardio days. Maybe the Max Strength stuff is better...It is a different formula.

 

[9cyclops9]

My two cents... It didn't work any miracles for me. I gave it a little more than a month and worked through the bottle with no notable results. I had body fat tests done before and after with zero loss.

I do workout weekdays with three hard cardio days. Maybe the Max Strength stuff is better...It is a different formula.

How was your diet during that time? Were you keeping track of macro breakdowns, calories, etc?

 

[mkay45]

My review on Hot Rox:


I went ahead and got a bottle of this stuff and after two weeks, I can honestly say that it is the real deal, at least for me. I totally cut out beer and fast food since Thanksgiving, as well as try not to eat after 9pm on most days. In terms of exercise, I do 3 miles a day running for at least 3 days a week, though I try to do this 5 days.

This, combined with Hot Rox, has led to me losing just a bit over 10 pounds in this time span. While I realize that most is likely due to water weight, I do believe that the Hot Rox does help significantly, as I have used Hydroxycut as well as Ripped Fuel Ephradra Free Cut in the past, and have not nearly had the results that I do with hot Rox.

Other positives; when they say only take two pills every 6 hours, they definitely mean it. Energy is significant (probably from caffiene) and I can actually feel the heat so to speak.

Drawbacks? For me at least, I think you have to take the other two pills no later than a 1/2 hour after the first 6 hours from the first two pills have passed. I say this because I experience a significant feeling of tiredness after this period, and while I would attribute it to being at work during this time, I do believe that it is also from the caffiene in the Hot Rox and keeping that energy going so to speak.

In conclusion, thanks to all who gave opinions on the Hot Rox, I am glad that I tried it. Don't know how it may work for everyone else here, but I would definitely recommend it if you are trying to drop those extra few pesky pounds. Perhaps it is good that they have maximum strength as well, as it would seem logical to me to move on to this if you use regular Hot Rox for a month and then hit a plateau, though at least it my case I can't see this happening thus far..............

 

[maxx]

mkay45- hot rox are great... I have been taking them for a while now with great results... if you eat 6 meals a day ( like cut your normal 3 in half) eliminate soda/fast food/alcohol.... it will work....and take the reccommended dosage of 2 pills.... and go to ebay, I have bought HOT-ROX on ebay like 3 or 4 times, and I got super great deals I got 3 sealed bottles for 40bux.... just type in hot rox, and there are alot of good deals there.....rofl

 

[millionman]

If you like the GNC version of Hot-Rox and see great results you should try the Max Strength formulation from T-nation. I have noticed a difference overall, as well as my energy levels being slightly better comparatively to the standard formulation. I haven't been on Max strength for long enough to report on fat loss and lean mass maintenance/gain. I'll post about it in another three weeks or so.

 

[prince Albert]

mkay45- hot rox are great... I have been taking them for a while now with great results... if you eat 6 meals a day ( like cut your normal 3 in half) eliminate soda/fast food/alcohol.... it will work

If you change your diet from the typical crap the majority of folks eat you are obviously going to see a dramatic weight/fat loss,so you carn't really say it is down to using a certain product.

Fat burners are the icing on the cake,unfortunatley a lot of folks use them to make up for the shortcomings in there diet/training program.

The best way to rate and use a fat burner is first to get on a sensible cutting diet from there start to introduce cardio,by manipulating diet and cardio you should be able to drop bodyfat at a steady rate for a good few months,once you reach a plateau then that is the time to introduce a fatburner,this will also show how effective it is.

Diet soda is a good aid in helping to curb cravings for sweet things while cutting,virtualy no cals,unless your bothered by the aspartame scaremongering.

 

[bigcharlie]

Ah, but aren't the side effects of caffeine counter-productive to Penis Enlargementing? From what I heard caffeine can constrict blood flow which is why I've been avoiding it (other than the decalf green tea I use). Especially ephedra, which is basically concentrated caffeine. Stuff good for burning fat, but not for bodybuilding and trying to gain size, right?

I'm taking Hot Rox now, but only because my fitness goals have shifted from muscle building (which hasn't produced much results) to fat loss.

 

[prince Albert]

Ah, but aren't the side effects of caffeine counter-productive to Penis Enlargementing? From what I heard caffeine can constrict blood flow which is why I've been avoiding it (other than the decalf green tea I use). Especially ephedra, which is basically concentrated caffeine. Stuff good for burning fat, but not for bodybuilding and trying to gain size, right?

I'm taking Hot Rox now, but only because my fitness goals have shifted from muscle building (which hasn't produced much results) to fat loss.

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-caffeine-bodybuilding.asp have a read.

 

[swolejah]

Honestly if I were you, I wouldn't take any diet/energy/fat loss pills.

Stick with the basics when it comes to weight loss i.e., eating healthy, excersizing, lifting...

There is no magic pill.