doublelongdaddy said:
Hey back in the day NINA HARTLEY was dancing at ANTHONY's, a strip bar a few town away from me. I went up to get a picture with her and me and I could swear she was hitting on me, but maybe she was just being a slut.:D I still have the pictures:)

Could be. Some girls just know how to work it for the money or PR and others are just total cum-junkies. Compare the personalities of girls like Candie Apple or Jasmine St. Claire with a seemingly classier girl like Inari Vachs or even Devon.

And strippers are the same way. Some are easy. Some will do anything for some cocaine. Yet, some are nice girls that are just trying to pay for rent, books, and tuition.
 
Damn...Candie Apple is a big ol' whore. I saw her in an alternative lifestyle documentary where she gets whipped and abused by a dominatrix and gets cigarettes put out on her big fat dimpled ass. Then she's chatting about it all chipper and shit. I saw a video clip of her on a small yacht where she sucks this guy's half hard dick while like 25 people are hootin' and hollerin'. That bitch is trash.
 
Godsize said:
Damn...Candie Apple is a big ol' whore. I saw her in an alternative lifestyle documentary where she gets whipped and abused by a dominatrix and gets cigarettes put out on her big fat dimpled ass. Then she's chatting about it all chipper and shit. I saw a video clip of her on a small yacht where she sucks this guy's half hard dick while like 25 people are hootin' and hollerin'. That bitch is trash.

You don't think these girls end up with psychological problems do you?
 
doublelongdaddy said:
You don't think these girls end up with psychological problems do you?

I'm sure many do end up with problems. Many athletes end up with problems from steroid abuse or pushing their bodies beyond what they can handle. Some celebrities and wealthy individuals end up hitting rock bottom at some point, because they cannot resist temptations and keep their lives in order.

Do I feel sorry for them? Not really. There is a cost and benefit to many of our choices. These girls get good money and fame within the adult world, but may find regrets down the road. That should be apparent from the beginning and it's a simple choice.
 
I know one such girl! She has made a few porno! She is at the point in her life, that she would like to have a steady relationship, and possibly settle down, but guess what, her past always ruins it for her! She has been dumped so many times, once she tells them about her past porno experiences!My best friend found out the hard way from her! He is normally a player, but this girl was fine, and could fuck like nothing before, so he was starting to really like her allot, and was considering having a serious relationship!

THEN! One night he went over to her house, and she wanted him to set down a watch a movie(one of the porno's she made)! She put the movie in, and said she had something to do, in another room, but would return shortly, to join him in watching the film! My friend had no idea, what he was about to see!He told me that once he realized that it was her getting screwed by 2 guys, and a women, he got up and left, without saying by! He was devastated, and so was she! I suppose that by being upfront with a guy about your past, is to be honest! They will either stay with you, or move on! So far every guy she has been with has really gotten emotionally fuked about the whole porno past, and cut their losses with her! I'm sure she regrets it all now!
 
Yeah girthius. I agree. I know that porno industry sure looks flashy and pretty on the outside, but it is rotten from the inside for sure.
 
girthius said:
I know one such girl! She has made a few porno! She is at the point in her life, that she would like to have a steady relationship, and possibly settle down, but guess what, her past always ruins it for her! She has been dumped so many times, once she tells them about her past porno experiences!My best friend found out the hard way from her! He is normally a player, but this girl was fine, and could fuck like nothing before, so he was starting to really like her allot, and was considering having a serious relationship!

THEN! One night he went over to her house, and she wanted him to set down a watch a movie(one of the porno's she made)! She put the movie in, and said she had something to do, in another room, but would return shortly, to join him in watching the film! My friend had no idea, what he was about to see!He told me that once he realized that it was her getting screwed by 2 guys, and a women, he got up and left, without saying by! He was devastated, and so was she! I suppose that by being upfront with a guy about your past, is to be honest! They will either stay with you, or move on! So far every guy she has been with has really gotten emotionally fuked about the whole porno past, and cut their losses with her! I'm sure she regrets it all now!



Interesting.... ok, let's suppose that a man became a adult entertainment star, had sex with many women and did many kinky things. If he decided to settle down, do you think women would be turned off and run from him?


I know a guy in the adult entertainment industry, and he thinks that women will actually be turned ON by his adult entertainment career, because they'll think he has a nice cock and can fuck like no other. What do you think - is the situation any different for men?
 
I think it is a very different situation when it comes to men/women and sex, for example, the average guy will get more respect the more sex he has where as the average woman would get disrespect the more sex she has and would probably be called things like 'slapper', 'whore'...etc.
 
I feel that she should have told my friend in a different way, but none the less, she should have told him either way! It would of been tragic, if they got married, and had a kid, then he found out about her porno past after all that! I think she did right in telling him, but her method was not very thoughtful!

As for male adult entertainment stars not having a hard time finding lasting relations. I read somewhere about Lex Steele never being able to have a long term relationship! Seems that once he meets a girl, and they hit it off, and she finds out his line of work, they drop his ass!!!
 
girthius said:
I feel that she should have told my friend in a different way, but none the less, she should have told him either way! It would of been tragic, if they got married, and had a kid, then he found out about her porno past after all that! I think she did right in telling him, but her method was not very thoughtful!

As for male adult entertainment stars not having a hard time finding lasting relations. I read somewhere about Lex Steele never being able to have a long term relationship! Seems that once he meets a girl, and they hit it off, and she finds out his line of work, they drop his ass!!!

Girthius, How the Fuck Did you Get a picture of me for Your Avatar?!?!?!?!?
 
I don't think women would be turned on by a guy if he was in adult entertainment films. I don't think women would like that one bit.

That story about the girl putting on the adult entertainment then leaving the room was fucked up. It shows you a little bit how some women think. They think that since they are "honest" that they are exempt from being wrong. That was definitely the wrong way to break the news to that guy. I think I woulda felt sick and left too... especially if I had already fucked her. It almost seems sadistic what she did... sitting him down and turning on the porno movie. That's fucked up.

Honesty isn't always the best policy. I think sometimes I'd rather not know about some chick's past, cuz nine times out of ten I ain't gonna like what I hear. Chicks will hide behind honesty all the time as their excuse for hurting people's feelings. They do that so in their own mind, they're right...and not the dirty whores they are. They also use "honesty" to put the blame on you when you got a problem with it. In their mind, they're being "open and honest"...so how could the guy possibly have a problem with her then?? It's a Catch 22. Unless you like feeling like shit, avoid women like this at all costs.

It's hard to "leave the past in the past" when the past won't GO THE FUCK AWAY. Or in this case, when the past is forever preserved on videotape.

It all depends on how you feel about the girl. If you're not in love, and you're just fucking her, then it shouldn't really be a problem. Once your feelings get involved, it's one big mess.
 
Godsize said:
when the past is forever preserved on videotape.

Especially if she is lieing to you by saying you have the biggest dick she has ever seen but you have a video in your stash of her doing a DT with LEX and MANDINGO:D
 
Godsize said:
I don't think women would be turned on by a guy if he was in adult entertainment films. I don't think women would like that one bit.

I totally agree with that. I think many people in the industry date people within the industry, as I can imagine that is the most normal relationship most of these folks can find.
 
This probably deserves a separate topic, but it is relevant to this line of thought and I am not sure where to post it.

In light of all the opinions on how clean pornstars are:

Darren James has just tested positive for HIV. He apparently contracted it in Brazil on March 10th. He tested negative on March 17th ( after being positive) and worked with several girls since then. Apparently in a lot of anal scenes as well. He tested positive on April 8. This not only affects the girls he worked with, but also all the men and women they worked with ( 2nd generation). This includes at least 30 performers or so. All these people are under voluntary quarantine.

Basically the entire adult entertainment industry has been shut down for at least 30 days, with many calling for a halt of all production until at least June 8th when 60 days have passed.

The reality is if you have sex at all ( IMO even with condoms, as I think the whole condom=bulletproof idea is bullshit, though it helps), especially with multiple partners ( in adult entertainment or in regular life) you are at risk for HIV. And getting tested regularly is not going to prevent the contraction or spread of HIV, especially if you ever have sex with someone who has not been tested - recently or had sex with someone who had sex with someone who was not tested,etc. Since there is a 75% rate after 30 days and 99.5% after 60days, you can have an HIV test every month and you could still have it and not know for upto 2 months.

This is also scary considering the company thats runs adult entertainment HIV testing previously allowed Mark Wallice to suBathmateit forged testing documents and allowed him to keep working and infect others when he had HIV.

So my opinion is unless you like Russian Roulette dont fuck any pornstars and also dont fuck random people in your personal life.

more info on the HIv scarecan be found at avn.com and mikesouth.com
 
He apparently contracted it in Brazil on March 10th.

Brazil has an awful HIV rate.

The reality is if you have sex at all ( IMO even with condoms, as I think the whole condom=bulletproof idea is bullshit, though it helps), especially with multiple partners ( in adult entertainment or in regular life) you are at risk for HIV.

True. However, everything I've read says that condoms make a tremendous difference. If I'm not mistaken, your odds are several thousand times better with a condom.
 
penguinsfan said:
Brazil has an awful HIV rate.



True. However, everything I've read says that condoms make a tremendous difference. If I'm not mistaken, your odds are several thousand times better with a condom.


You are correct. But I would not knowingly fuck anyone with HIV, even with a condom.
 
That Video tape thing sure is fucked up, but i back them blokes up 100% who fucked off when they find out about there girl being in adult entertainment. To be honest if i loved the girl a lot and she felt the same way and i found out about her past adult entertainment expereicnce i guess id try and make it work, but when id think about it, you cant settle down with a girl with a past like that, its savage.
 
This might end the "debate", todays news...

HIV Scare Shuts Down California adult entertainment Productions
Industry Puts Itself Under Two-Month Moratorium After Two Actors Test Positive
By ROBERT JABLON, AP

LOS ANGELES (April 16) - An AIDS scare prompted adult movie companies to halt production and bar dozens of performers from
the set after two actors tested HIV-positive.

At least 45 actors and actresses were under a voluntary work quarantine and about a dozen companies were adhering to a
voluntary two-month moratorium until new HIV tests are completed, industry experts said.

''It's very scary,'' said Mary Carey, a adult entertainment star who ran for governor of California last fall. ''This is kind of a wake-up
call for everybody.''

Carey said she had not worked with the infected actor but as a precaution, she was canceling a lesbian adult entertainment shoot.
The last industry HIV scare was in 1999, when a male actor tested positive for the disease. He no longer performs and no
other actors were infected. Before that, a male actor infected five women in 1998.

A nonprofit health group was trying to identify performers who had sex with the two HIV-infected actors as well as a
''second generation'' who slept with their movie sex partners. Dr. Jonathan Fielding, director of public health and health
officer for Los Angeles County, said the agency did not consider the HIV case a threat to public health ''at this point.''

''I think in general, they've done an appropriate job in terms of the quarantine measures taken,'' he said.

Sharon Mitchell of the nonprofit Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation said the male performer apparently contracted
HIV last month while filming in Brazil. He tested positive for HIV on Friday and a follow-up test on Monday confirmed it.

On Thursday, Mitchell confirmed that one of about a dozen women the man had sex with in U.S. films also had tested
HIV-positive.

It was unclear how much impact the work stoppage would have on the $4 billion to $13 billion-a-year industry, which is
centered in the San Fernando Valley and cranks out 4,000 movies annually.

The adult entertainment industry's largest company, Vivid Entertainment, told The Associated Press in a statement that it would continue
production, arguing that they already have safety measures in place. However, Adult Video News late Thursday posted a
statement from Vivid spokeswoman Ellie Reeve on its Web site, saying the company had decided to cease production.

Jill Kelly, a former adult performer turned producer, said she was delaying about eight movies.

''It's going to hurt some people (financially) but who cares?'' she said of the moratorium. ''It's about safety now and
about people's lives.''


04/16/04 08:35 ET
 
bigbutnottoo said:
You are correct. But I would not knowingly fuck anyone with HIV, even with a condom.

Nor would I. If you know for certain that the disease is there, don't chance it. But given that only a small number (I'm sure far less than 1%) of the population has AIDS, you might not get it even with an infected partner if you're lucky, and a condom increasing your odds by several thousand time, it's not something I ever worry about. Fear of AIDS does not influence my behavior, because I just view it as right up there with fear of dying from terrorism or lightning, in terms of percentages.
 
man reading this makes me so stinkin glad I am married and have done it up right. before marriage was a virgin and so was my wife. niether of us were with someone else ever and plan on keeping it that way. Just the way God had intended it for man to be since the beginning of time.
 
Yeah the swedish newspaper said something about all the adult entertainment in has stopped, because they want to HIV/AIDS test 6000 actors/acresses.
Because of Lara Roxx and Darren James, have been tested postitiv on the HIV tests.
Darren James believed to have gotten the HIV under a filming in Brazil.

Swedish newspaper says:

"Pornography actor Darren James was probably infected under a movie-shooting i Brazil.
Back in the U.S. he did a job with Lara Roxx, that just started in the business.
Accordning to Los Angeles Times she had just been with two or three males in adult entertainment, when she this thursday find out she have been tested postitive in the HIV-test."

45 men and women, have put themselves in quarantine, because they have had sex with the two pornactors.

So now the whole industry is put on hold.
 
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loco said:
man reading this makes me so stinkin glad I am married and have done it up right. before marriage was a virgin and so was my wife. niether of us were with someone else ever and plan on keeping it that way. Just the way God had intended it for man to be since the beginning of time.

Loco, I actually think that's great. It's certainly an ideal way of life for those with such faith and principles, and has some benefit for anyone. I kind of think that would have been a cool way for things to turn out. Hell, size wouldn't be such a sexual issue if a woman didn't have to measure a man up to all the others she had been with. Not that I want to put DLD out of business of anything. :D

As a former Christian, let me state my problem with the policy. Years ago, it was common for people to be married by the time they were 18 or so. Usually a person married someone he had known for most of his life. These days, so many people are living together before marriage because of an uncertainty around the trust issue. The days of marrying someone in the local community are gone. This is because the days of simply graduating high school, marrying your sweetheart, and working in the factory or farm your father and grandfather worked are gone.

I don't see an alternative. You might convince people to hold-off from having sex until they're 18 or 20, but these days we have singles running around 25-30 and even older. The message is just not going to sell at that point. You'll not even find a doctor or psychologist that wouldn't even pretend that such a thing is healthy.

The way God intended it is completely incompatible with the modern way of life.
 
penguinsfan said:
The way God intended it is completely incompatible with the modern way of life.

Nothing worth doing was ever easy. Besides, to a christian it is clear-cut. The Bible says sex before marriage is wrong, so it's as simple as that. True christians dont pick and choose their beliefs, their beliefs are spelled out for them. This is not a knock at christians, I'm just clarifying this for non-christians. God didn't say "ah well, forget it if its hard...", did he?

I admire anyone who can hold the course and stay in control of their urges until marriage.
 
levista said:
Nothing worth doing was ever easy. Besides, to a christian it is clear-cut. The Bible says sex before marriage is wrong, so it's as simple as that. True christians dont pick and choose their beliefs, their beliefs are spelled out for them. This is not a knock at christians, I'm just clarifying this for non-christians. God didn't say "ah well, forget it if its hard...", did he?

I admire anyone who can hold the course and stay in control of their urges until marriage.


I dont agree with the reasons, but I do agree with the principles and respect that greatly.
 
penguinsfan said:
This is because the days of simply graduating high school, marrying your sweetheart, and working in the factory or farm your father and grandfather worked are gone.

And I think that is a Very Good Thing.
 
bigbutnottoo said:
And I think that is a Very Good Thing.

I'm not so sure it is.

We've got higher divorce rates, juvenile delinquents out of control, an epidemic of unsupervised children without two parents in the home, etc. I'm not saying that there is never a case for divorce and I'm not saying that single mothers never do an adequate job of raising a child, but these are clear disadvantages under normal circumstances.

My parents got married when my dad was 21 and my mom was 17 (she was not pregnant). I never heard my parents fight anything like so many of today's couples, though they had normal disagreements. When my four sisters and I would step out of line, he would take the belt to our asses and we've all turned out to be decent, productive individuals. Compare that to today's parents.

Also, the promotion of the whole "adolescent" period of life is a relatively modern idea that is worthless in the grand scheme of things. Back in the old days, 18-20 year olds actually WERE mature enough to marry, because they acted more like adults, since they didn't have "expert" psychologists promoting an entire period of life devoted to immaturity. In the old days, kids were phased into adult responsibilities at a younger age.

Don't get me wrong. I'd rather be doing what I'm doing today than working in the steel mill like my old man and caring for a handful of kids, just to relive the days of old. I'm glad I went to college and shit, but when you compare the family structure today versus yesterday, we've taken huge steps backwards.
 
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levista said:
Nothing worth doing was ever easy. Besides, to a christian it is clear-cut. The Bible says sex before marriage is wrong, so it's as simple as that. True christians dont pick and choose their beliefs, their beliefs are spelled out for them. This is not a knock at christians, I'm just clarifying this for non-christians. God didn't say "ah well, forget it if its hard...", did he?

I was not suggesting that such sexual activity is no longer sinful, from a theological standpoint. When I said that Christianity and our modern lifestyle are incompatible, I wasn't meaning the Bible should be re-written. If anything, the Christian community should rethink the way they do things. Granted, the Amish take things to extremes, but perhaps churches should promote a more traditional sense of values and lifestyle.
 
AncientChina said:
Another point is many people seem to forget all the negatives of the older times and of tradition....They speak of a great family system, but what about other societal issues, such as huge amounts of racism, pure sexism. I am sure women wouldn't like to be stuck in one role as just mother's...... A lot of ignorant thinking, and people had far less control over their lives if they wanted to be "different". Where those times any better than today? In my opinion no, I am really starting to like many of the the newer beliefs and changes in the Western World......Yeah sure sex is exploited to no end and there are a few drawbacks, but nothing beats equality or near equality.

The Bible had many teachings that were probably needed at a earlier era, as to pull people into doing things most crucial and needed at the time, such as sex and family....but we are not living under the same circumstances....and I have to disagree with good Christians just doing what is said in a book, I think intelligent, self aware, and fair people should quesiton the validity of a rule, and make sure that it holds up some relievence to them not just out of the sake of "taking the easy road", but out of the sake of taking the right road. Sex is demonized and so forth, but is having sex before you married that horrible, if one disregards the teachings of a religion?

P.S I am not trying to be disrespectful to anyone's beliefs.

well bud I don't think you could be further from the Truth. I totally believe there is room to disregaurd what God has given us. Or to break his commandments (and no not just the popular 10 everyone thinks of). Back in the days of old there were definately less problems because peoples focus and respect is much different than today. Back then it was "love your neighbor as yourself" and today it's much more like screw everyone in your path and look out for number 1. And as mentioned before look at all the STD's, illegitement children, single parent homes, crime, etc. compare lifestyles or families of christians or other churched goups vs. non God fearing folks/families. if the christians or others following what God has laid out in His Word you should see solid families lives, hopefully no criminal record, etc... Think about it, it's all stuff we all desire. Life back when we followed such values was much more valued. Now most view it as a dime a dozen, something so precious shouldn't be taken so lightly.
 
The problem is this "bad" stuff has always been going on. There have always been gay people. Teenagers have always had sex. Guys were always trying to get laid before they married. Jesus hungout with whores. There have also always been killers, thieves, and rapists. Especially in biblical times. Increasing freedom does not increase crime so much as the zealots use phantoms of crime and times past as an excuse to try to restrict intellectual and social freedom. To me freedom and responsility are good things, when they are infringed that is the worst crime.

And I am assuming you made a typo when you said


"I totally believe there is room to disregaurd what God has given us."
 
bigbutnottoo said:
Its called Progress.

The negative aspects are more related to priorities.

Time and tendencies have progressed, but family stability has definitely regressed.

There might be some issues with priorities, but in my opinion the problems we have today are largely caused by the fact that few people today marry a person they've known more than 2-5 years, whereas they used to grow-up in the same community.
 
AncientChina said:
Another point is many people seem to forget all the negatives of the older times and of tradition....They speak of a great family system, but what about other societal issues, such as huge amounts of racism, pure sexism. I am sure women wouldn't like to be stuck in one role as just mother's...... A lot of ignorant thinking, and people had far less control over their lives if they wanted to be "different".

Racism has nothing to do with the mating tendencies of a society. As for sexism, it depends on what is considered to be sexist. I'm sure my definition would differ from that of NOW, but I don't consider myself sexist at all.
 
penguinsfan said:
Racism has nothing to do with the mating tendencies of a society. As for sexism, it depends on what is considered to be sexist. I'm sure my definition would differ from that of NOW, but I don't consider myself sexist at all.

Damn, I have no race preferences, back in the day I would consider myself lucky fuck any of em:D
 
doublelongdaddy said:
Damn, I have no race preferences, back in the day I would consider myself lucky fuck any of em:D

Indeed, there are beautiful women of all kinds. Nothing quite does it for me like a nice caucasian blonde, but a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman and they come in all designs.
 
UPDATE ON adult entertainment STAR WANTING TO HAVE SEX

Well, it finally happened. I met up with her... We had a few drinks at a bar and danced a little ... She was gorgeous and the real thing too....Everybody was looking and too which was making me nervous. She got right to the discussion of want she wanted.
She wanted two things... Me to cum in her and to film it.... I told her I didn't have unprotected sex... She started to get pissed off... But, I sweet talked her a little and went back to her place.... Lots of alcohol helped me persaude her. She told me to sit down... Well, she gave me one hell of a lap dance.... She told me to stroke my cock while she gave me the lap dance... She done it completely naked too.... I was getting a little nervous because I was wondering if she had the camera hidden somewhere just rolling away... After about a 10 minute lap dance and me stroking my cock while she done it, she burried her face into my balls...began to lick them all over... I was loving life... Then, all of the sudden boom, my cock was buried in her mouth.. She sucked it soooo damn good to.... But, I was still a little worried... Well, sure enough she stood up put her pussy in my face, then laid down.. While on the floor, she spread her legs real wide and told me to fill her up... I pulled a rubber out of my pocket and she screamed "NO DAMMIT, I WANT YOUR CUM"!! As she kept pulling me on top of her I kept telling her I would not fuck her without a condom...... She got really pissed off again....She then said hey lets do a line of c#ke... I guess she thought after I did a line of c#ke, I would give in. I pretended like I would... She snorted her line while I watched... As she fell back onto the couch I acted like I snorted a line too... but I didn't....she then went into the other room to grab her little movie camera. she sit it up in front of the couch... Let me tell you she was totally fucked up, falling all over the place. So, I told her I would set it up for her and turn it on... I told her I wanted her to suck my dick for the camera. Keep in mind the camera was never on....She went sucking away......I told her to open her mouth while I jack off in her mouth... I must have blew a load in her mouth like a horse would... Then she laid down and said "now fuck me !!! Again I was persistant with not fucking her without protection.. To be honest, I didn't even want to fuck her especially after I blew my load... She got beyond mad this time yelling and screaming at me.. So, I turned around pulled my pants up and began to walk out the door.... Next thing I know, the camera came flying towards my head.........I closed the door behind me, and walked to my car.. She still came outside screaming at me calling me every name in the book...... I Drove home and felt pretty good about myself that I got to blow my load into a adult entertainment stars mouth... didn't have unprotected sex and didn't get filmed....and should say didn't get killed or get knocked int he head.
The only regret that I have is that I didn't bring my own camera to show you guys some pics.... I have to tell you though, my heart was racing so fast during all of this I thought my chest was going to explode.... I was nervous the whole time... I still didn't know if someone was there waiting to knock me in the head or something like that... I don't think I will try that one again....... Anyway..I still feel great for blowing my load in her mouth and then leaving.... Thats a big mark I will put in my belt. It did cost me about 100 dollars in drinks though at the bar.. but oh well !!
One more thing... Not to be rude... but please don't ask me this adult entertainment star's name... I do need to keep that a secret.... Somehow, I am sure it would haunt me if I told...
Not to mention, I am married !!!! Yes, thats right ... as a matter of fact, the avatar is a pic of my wife.... So, now I am laying low for awhile and hope this little adventure doesn't catch up to me.
 
Crazy dude! Wow. And good for you for not snorting coke or banging her without a condom. Kudos. Don't tell wifey and I won't!
 
The baby thing makes a lot of sense. If you cum in her, she can blame it on you. NOT a good situation, especially with a wife.
 
It's not fair to say that all adult entertainment stars or strippers have mental issues. I've talked to many strippers in my visits to strip clubs and many of them are actually really intelligent women just trying to make ends meet (whether your want to admit it or not stripping is a great job for women, as it pays extremely well). It's also unjust to say that all adult entertainment stars and strippers have sexual diseases...I don't believe that for a second. In today's sexually enlightened age, I find it hard to believe that adult entertainment companies don't schedule regular checkups for their stars to ensure that they aren't transmitting deadly diseases...
 
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