Dumbbell Shoulder Press Vs Military Shoulder Press?

REDZULU2003;454381 said:
More gym talk. Ask yourself ''How is that possible having the lift behind the neck give more mass''. It wont attack the shoulder anymore, if more mass is gained its through the activation of the traps and upper back. I do know that guys risk damaging the shoulder joint lifting heavy behind the neck. Why risk it when in front works great.

Upright rows done with barbell, smith machine or whatever else you wish will work the shoulders damn hard. I found using resistance bands with heavy resistance was incredible at working the shoulders. Indian clubs are good.
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Thanks for moving my topic. Have you tried behind the neck?
 
keepingitbig;454725 said:
Thanks for moving my topic. Have you tried behind the neck?
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Yes and damaged the rotoator cuffs. Sure it was my own fault for being a dick but seriously mate do it infront not behind. You wont gain anymore muscle or strength with front VS back. Those in the gym that say otherwise NEED to argue the case strongly as to why and how this is the case and I dont see it myself.
 
A properly executed military press is superior to the rest... The only one you really should avoid are neckpresses "the most overrated shit exercise existing that does nothing except destroying your rotator cuff" (P. Trenz)

With all the working out you want to drive you body in the belief that more muscle mass is required for you to live... In order to do that you drive the existing muscle mass to it's limit (muscle failure)... In order to solely trigger the gorwth mechanism you need to use a natural movement... The stress of overextending to get the bar in your neck disturbs... Addionally the work there rather is a feathering of overextendend tissues than muscular work and the deep positions are the important ones in case of shoulder training... This means neckpresses rob the important motion areas from the exercise while milataries have these properly...
 
Thanks for the advice! I actually do both Military to the front and the behind the neck. What I do before doing behind the neck is pyriamid the weight up, then ask for a spot on the heaviest. before I do it though, I foam-roll and do behind the neck shoulder stretches for a pvc pipe at the gym. Really stretches out the muscles and feels better. Overall, my shoulder routine is top-notch.
 
Sounds good. I wouldn't bother doing standing unless your into strongman. Heavy seated presses and incline bench will slap some mass on your shoulders fast.
 
Thanks, Meanwein. I've been doing behind the neck press for a good while. Man, do I love it. Just fits my bodytype I guess. I love how this exercise hits the medial more than the frontal press, giving that wide-broad shoulder look.
 
You'd be wiser to use the upright rows, this mimics the shoulders natural action better then a pressing movement, try it. Width, you cant beat lateral dumbbell lifers and even try the cable crossover. End of the day its not exactly the exercise you use, but the intensity and quality put into it that gets results. Diet and rest obviously just as important but dont be bought into thinking the typical shoulder presses have to be done and need to be done for good shoulders, its bullshit.
 
REDZULU2003;465929 said:
You'd be wiser to use the upright rows, this mimics the shoulders natural action better then a pressing movement, try it. Width, you cant beat lateral dumbbell lifers and even try the cable crossover. End of the day its not exactly the exercise you use, but the intensity and quality put into it that gets results. Diet and rest obviously just as important but dont be bought into thinking the typical shoulder presses have to be done and need to be done for good shoulders, its bullshit.
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I agree, Red. But everyone is different too. Not to worry, I don't use alot of weight when doing behind the neck presses. I go from 90 to about 111 on each workout slowly building the strength and even asking for assistance when going heavier. Just from my experience seeing the best sets of delts coming from btnp. Don Howorth, Kevin Levrone, Shawn Ray, etc etc. These guys have amazing deltoids. I do lateral raises though, that's my favorite exercise. But I always start with behind the neck with light weight to progressively going heavier with lower reps. I do about 4 to 6 sets of 6 to 8. After that seated DB military to isolate the all the deltoids, shrugs, side laterals, than the real delt machine and I'm off.
 
keepingitbig;434791 said:
I'm looking for an exercise to build my shoulders up more. I've been doing seated Dumbbell shoulder press, but it doesn't seem to hit my fronts very well. What shoulder parts does the db shoulder press vs the military standing shoulder press help?

My shoulder workout:

Warm-up of shoulders and rear delts.

Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press.
Upright Row Variations ( ez-bar for close grip and straight bar for wide-grip )
Bent-over barbell delt row.
Plate Raises for isolation.

I was just wondering if the military press will put added mass on my shoulders. Thanks.
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Do dumbell press and over head press (military press) with heavier weigh, max of six-8 reps. Then superset it with lateral isolation raises to hit all 3 shoulder muscles. alternate the DB press with the OHP after each super set. Total of 3 sets.
 
My advice is to not do the dumbbell and barbell press during the same workout, but switch off. Also, if you specifically do rotator cuff exercises (internal rotation, external roation, etc), this will increase your overhead and bench pressing capabilities. Even though it's not a 100% shoulder exercise, my width/thickness has increased partly to heavy barbell and dumbbell chest work.
 
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