Do gains slow down as we grow or do we set ourselves up for this?

[squirt_inducer_man]

Okay

 

[Grandmaster]

Again I agree

Exactly. You have been the most dedicated in this game out of everyone, and gained the most. You gained 2 inches in the first 6 months of your career, and the rest took you 10 years, from what I remember. If gains were linear, it would have taken you just one year to get to your 10.5".

Everyone as far as I know experiences this, which is why we have a term for it called "newbie gains". I do not understand the point this guy is trying to make. I am not trying to discourage or place limits on anyone. But you cannot argue with facts.

He is more than welcome to prove to the brotherhood that rate of gains can be equivalent across the board. He'll be the first to do it. If he can put on another 3 inches in the next year, then he would prove his claim.

But as it stands, nobody as far as I know has had such an experience, and I have been in this game for a long time.

To me, it is more discouraging to give brothers false information without any proof, especially when you're literally going against EVERYONE'S experience. Literally everyone!!!

You see, I am a realist, not a fantasist. A lot of people prefer to be fantasists, and therein lies the problem. I do not support outlandish claims coming from ONE man that goes against everyone else's experience without any documented proof.

You have to look at things for what they are... and if that rubs him the wrong way, then he can delete my comments and move on. No hard feelings.

 

[kyomoto]

Seems like @kyomoto was imposing limits on you. I did not give anyone any such "limits", nor did I try to discourage people in any way. Any reasonable person who read what I wrote would agree.

My whole thesis is that newbie gains generally come faster. What exactly is discouraging about that? And where have I imposed any limits in saying that?

You need to stop taking things too personal, bro. You seem to be the one with the ego, not me. You are the only one who is thinking along these lines, that my input is somehow bad for this community. You know what? If you don't like the opinions I share, then as an administrator on this site, you can delete them, and even ban me if you please.

But please don't waste my time with your bullshit that I am trying to "discourage" people by "imposing limits on them", when I did nothing of the sort.

I do, however, think that it is unreasonable to expect gains of 4.5" - 6" in one year. I do not believe it is even physiologically possible. NOW, if that is your definition of discouraging and imposing limits on people, then I don't know what to tell you. I think most people here would agree with that statement.

Let's do a little experiment, shall we? Let's put all the bullshut to rest and talk facts, because I am tired of this back-and-forth pissing contest with you, which you like to create for some reason.

Do us all a favor. Recently, in another post, you claimed gains of 3+ inches in BPEL. You must have made those gains in less than a year, because it hasn't been that long since @huge-girth coached you, when you were only 5 inches.

So, take a BPEL measurement now, and post it somewhere. Then, in another year from now, if you can show another 3+ inch gain for a total of 11+ inches in BPEL, I promise you I will never, EVER question you about anything in regards to PE. I promise.

The burden is on you to prove your claims. I wish you all the best.

I don't impose limitations on anyone. The old thread response was based on my experience and knowledge I had at the time which was years ago. My answer would remain the same despite the fact that I am older, wiser, and more experienced.

I answered a question from the thread: " So yes, moral of the story is what would be the average length/girth gains within those 3 time periods listed above? "

Key word " 'average' length/girth gains "

The average I gave in my answer I simply stated as a frame of reference. It's not a marker of what to expect. It is a frame of reference from what MOST practitioners have accomplished. Of course you can gain faster or slower. It depends on your body, genetics, healing factor, intensity, discipline, and consistency.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Let's do a little experiment, shall we? Let's put all the bullshut to rest and talk facts, because I am tired of this back-and-forth pissing contest with you, which you like to create for some reason.

I do not understand the point this guy is trying to make.

@Grandmaster; If you do not stop arguing in this abusive way, you will get banned for life. I am not joking...if one more abusive comment comes from you, then you are gone.

Do us all a favor. Recently, in another post, you claimed gains of 3+ inches in BPEL.

Everything is proven. I have threads on this platform with picure proof.

You must have made those gains in less than a year

Yes

You must have made those gains in less than a year, because it hasn't been that long since @huge-girth coached you, when you were only 5 inches.

What do you mean with only 5 inches?
Are you dick shaming me?
I have not been coached by anyone. I got help be asking questions like everyone else on the forums on mattersofsize.com. My gains are my doing.

You have to look at things for what they are... and if that rubs him the wrong way, then he can delete my comments and move on. No hard feelings.

No comments will be removed!

 

[RichardSwellswell]

Why was he banned? What he posted about newbie gains being easier and then it slows down wasn't wrong.

 

[oldandlively]

Newbie gains and revision gains are the same. Newbies use the available inner ligamentary displacement to get the ultra fast gains in combo with tissue reformation from tissue stressing. This is documented facts done throughout the millennia from various cultures. The PE brotherhoods merely mirror the methods with scientific and medical data.

Revision gains, through insights from decades of fine tuning, allows long term PE brothers to switch tactics for efficient growth. Just like bodybuilders, there are hard limits where you cannot expand or lengthen your limbs with bulky muscles any further. However, medical sciences provide new paths and devices to further push for growth, no matter how little or large of the gains a hard limit was set. Unlike the skeletal structures and musculature expansion, soft tissue muscles can indeed be forced to go further with lower hard limits. There are many cases where those who gone too far with PE gained 10+ inches in length and regret their decisions, but that's another discussion.

However, Grandmaster attempted to debunk the facts that already been established using the "realist" argument. In reality, the "realist" focused on those who don't care to walk the path of pushing the body to the limit, simply because one doesn't care to push the limits to find different methods for growth. By discouraging the brothers to search for answers and paths to circumvent the limits, he just throw in the arguments that "it's life" and "it's reality". Reality is an array of hidden facts to further discover rather than what stagnate at the, "it doesn't work for me, so it doesn't work for you."

The brothers here do address the issues of body potential to grow, in tandem to physical limits and rate of growth, as well as the efforts and consistency by each individual. Those who tried at first but not put on the follow up of healthy eating, maintain schedules and dedicated time for the routines, rollback on their efforts and lose gains before cementing, not using the proper method to induce growth, and then report failures, that end up discouraging new PE journey men. False the fact during discussions spread more false facts, resulting in a domino effect.

Rather than using negative aspects of failed or stagnating PE methods, @squirt_inducer_man simply pointed out that we need to lean on each other to discover new methods for each other. Rather than saying, "you failed so don't do it anymore", we want to encourage each other and say "let's find alternatives and let us grow together." PE does not need negativity like how Grandmaster is trying to convey. We got plenty of that in life already. This brotherhood reinforces each other with positive attitudes and will work together through the toughest of time during PE. We pursue PE because we are facing the tough times, be emotionally, physically, psychological, or combinations of.

 

[RichardSwellswell]

Many cases of 10+ inch gains???? Where?

 

[oldandlively]

In the cultural visits for the Somba, Togo, Benin, Vanuatu, Xhosa, Batammariba and many other tribes, the medical journalists recorded the older men continued to force the elongation of their penis beyond their youth's trials through the process of allograph, which is similar method the PE methods from the brotherhoods are pursuing using modern equipment. The average penis there were 8in, with extreme into the 16in.

Historically, men in Egypt, China, Japan, Rome, Greece, Mongolia, and India perform phalli-elongation practices throughout the millennia and are still doing it now. They don't come out and say, "Hey, here's my dick. Take photos guys." Medical records for patients reported penile length by doctors due to urinary issues confirmed the portion of the cultures pursuing penile elongation logged in at 8in+, with average upper median of 10in. This means you got upper bound of 10+ in to create a median. This is not the country's average, but the portion of the culture that pursue penile elongation. Distinction must be made clear here. I knew a couple of brothers from Korea and India, with length of 8in and monstrous girth of 9in. Let's just say their relationships don't last long. The one from Korea perform penile reduction to 6in girth. Deformity was his biggest regret.

Roberto Cabrera, during multiple interviews where he confessed he kept on the PE journey, causing his penis to lengthen to half a meter and the girth over 8in. That was his regret.

Adult entertainment practitioners, those who aim high and wide, go for the length. Since this is not an adult industry webpage, we'll leave you to do the research of those superstars that perform PE for their daily routines. I knew one of them. PE was a norm, mainly pumping and night time traction. I got mine based on his recommendation. His was 11in length and 7in girth. Since he long retired from the industry, I will not sully his name. But, he still continues to this very day.

So where? They're everywhere. Are they willing to flaunt their penis all over the place? Only those who want to be stars in the adult entertainment industries. Otherwise, they shelter behind anonymity. However, brothers here assist one another, even if we have to pull ours out show.

 

[huge-girth]

In the cultural visits for the Somba, Togo, Benin, Vanuatu, Xhosa, Batammariba and many other tribes, the medical journalists recorded the older men continued to force the elongation of their penis beyond their youth's trials through the process of allograph, which is similar method the PE methods from the brotherhoods are pursuing using modern equipment. The average penis there were 8in, with extreme into the 16in.

Historically, men in Egypt, China, Japan, Rome, Greece, Mongolia, and India perform phalli-elongation practices throughout the millennia and are still doing it now. They don't come out and say, "Hey, here's my dick. Take photos guys." Medical records for patients reported penile length by doctors due to urinary issues confirmed the portion of the cultures pursuing penile elongation logged in at 8in+, with average upper median of 10in. This means you got upper bound of 10+ in to create a median. This is not the country's average, but the portion of the culture that pursue penile elongation. Distinction must be made clear here. I knew a couple of brothers from Korea and India, with length of 8in and monstrous girth of 9in. Let's just say their relationships don't last long. The one from Korea perform penile reduction to 6in girth. Deformity was his biggest regret.

Roberto Cabrera, during multiple interviews where he confessed he kept on the PE journey, causing his penis to lengthen to half a meter and the girth over 8in. That was his regret.

Adult entertainment practitioners, those who aim high and wide, go for the length. Since this is not an adult industry webpage, we'll leave you to do the research of those superstars that perform PE for their daily routines. I knew one of them. PE was a norm, mainly pumping and night time traction. I got mine based on his recommendation. His was 11in length and 7in girth. Since he long retired from the industry, I will not sully his name. But, he still continues to this very day.

So where? They're everywhere. Are they willing to flaunt their penis all over the place? Only those who want to be stars in the adult entertainment industries. Otherwise, they shelter behind anonymity. However, brothers here assist one another, even if we have to pull ours out show.

The case of Roberto Cabrera is not real. What he has down there are dead cells and not all actual penis shaft.

 

[oldandlively]

The case of Roberto Cabrera is not real. What he has down there are dead cells and not all actual penis shaft.

Indeed, shedding cells. Do you remember how I discussed about overstressing without rest causing cellular death? That's what happened to him. He kept on bundling weights that exceeded 3lbs tension limit, creating an adaptation limit and the body ignore the repairs. The gains he had caused cell death, which results in cell shedding. But there is still repair responses for the remainder of the shaft. The doctors that examined him did point out that the cellular decay was not beyond 30%. In a sense, the elongation process continued because he kept on having hanging weight more than 3lbs between this legs, tugging on his entire groin. He indicated that his EQ was only 40% at max. He can't detect the EQ beyond 40% due to server scarring.

 

[huge-girth]

Indeed, shedding cells. Do you remember how I discussed about overstressing without rest causing cellular death? That's what happened to him. He kept on bundling weights that exceeded 3lbs tension limit, creating an adaptation limit and the body ignore the repairs. The gains he had caused cell death, which results in cell shedding. But there is still repair responses for the remainder of the shaft. The doctors that examined him did point out that the cellular decay was not beyond 30%. In a sense, the elongation process continued because he kept on having hanging weight more than 3lbs between this legs, tugging on his entire groin. He indicated that his EQ was only 40% at max. He can't detect the EQ beyond 40% due to server scarring.

In my opinion in all of this, doing PE and gain anything from 2.5 to 3 inches in length is fine. Anything more than that, I'm not interested. I want to have a functioning penis.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

In my opinion in all of this, doing PE and gain anything from 2.5 to 3 inches in length is fine. Anything more than that, I'm not interested. I want to have a functioning penis.

Same. If I had my penis to long, that would not be useful for me.

 

[huge-girth]

Same. If I had my penis to long, that would not be useful for me.

Before I got to my current size of 8.25, I used to tell myself that 9 inches is what's best for me. But when I used my current size on many women, I found out that, 8 inches is indeed the golden number.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Before I got to my current size of 8.25, I used to tell myself that 9 inches is what's best for me. But when I used my current size on many women, I found out that, 8 inches is indeed the golden number.

It is good everyone knows this.
Imagine getting to long and then regret it. That would be horrible.

I'm not saying that no one should go over 8 Inch, everyone can do what they want.
But what I'm saying is that it is important you realize the implications of this.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Why was he banned? What he posted about newbie gains being easier and then it slows down wasn't wrong.

I was testing him.
Because he had an argumentative tendency and an abusive tendency towards me from the start. This was long before I was an Administrator.
If a newbie have problems with a wrap for example, you should not put them down. You should only help them.

He like to put people down, and he could not keep a friendly discussion. Everything needed to be some kind of fight.
This is not what we are about. We need to have it friendly in here. He also wanted to get banned.

No one are banned for their opinions.

 

[7o9]

Before I got to my current size of 8.25, I used to tell myself that 9 inches is what's best for me. But when I used my current size on many women, I found out that, 8 inches is indeed the golden number.

What do you think the golden number is for girth?

 

[huge-girth]

What do you think the golden number is for girth?

First of all, 6 inches girth is not much so I will say, 6.25 inches for girth is the minimum girth size anyone should aim for.

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

First of all, 6 inches girth is not much so I will say, 6.25 inches for girth is the minimum girth size anyone should aim for.

6 inches in EG is big, if you compare to what is normal, and what the majority of men out there are born with.

 

[DLD]

In the cultural visits for the Somba, Togo, Benin, Vanuatu, Xhosa, Batammariba and many other tribes, the medical journalists recorded the older men continued to force the elongation of their penis beyond their youth's trials through the process of allograph, which is similar method the PE methods from the brotherhoods are pursuing using modern equipment. The average penis there were 8in, with extreme into the 16in.

Historically, men in Egypt, China, Japan, Rome, Greece, Mongolia, and India perform phalli-elongation practices throughout the millennia and are still doing it now. They don't come out and say, "Hey, here's my dick. Take photos guys." Medical records for patients reported penile length by doctors due to urinary issues confirmed the portion of the cultures pursuing penile elongation logged in at 8in+, with average upper median of 10in. This means you got upper bound of 10+ in to create a median. This is not the country's average, but the portion of the culture that pursue penile elongation. Distinction must be made clear here. I knew a couple of brothers from Korea and India, with length of 8in and monstrous girth of 9in. Let's just say their relationships don't last long. The one from Korea perform penile reduction to 6in girth. Deformity was his biggest regret.

Roberto Cabrera, during multiple interviews where he confessed he kept on the PE journey, causing his penis to lengthen to half a meter and the girth over 8in. That was his regret.

Adult entertainment practitioners, those who aim high and wide, go for the length. Since this is not an adult industry webpage, we'll leave you to do the research of those superstars that perform PE for their daily routines. I knew one of them. PE was a norm, mainly pumping and night time traction. I got mine based on his recommendation. His was 11in length and 7in girth. Since he long retired from the industry, I will not sully his name. But, he still continues to this very day.

So where? They're everywhere. Are they willing to flaunt their penis all over the place? Only those who want to be stars in the adult entertainment industries. Otherwise, they shelter behind anonymity. However, brothers here assist one another, even if we have to pull ours out show.

Interesting

 

[squirt_inducer_man]

Interesting

Agree!

 

[huge-girth]

6 inches in EG is big, if you compare to what is normal, and what the majority of men out there are born with.

I don't go by this comparison because the ladies can comfortably take 6 inches from my own experience. I always want to give her that full/stretching feeling inside her once I penetrate.

 

[DLD]

I don't go by this comparison because the ladies can comfortably take 6 inches from my own experience. I always want to give her that full/stretching feeling inside her once I penetrate.

6 inches would satisfy any woman

 

[huge-girth]

6 inches would satisfy any woman

Yes I agree. I want to stretch and tear their walls. I want to move different. I've had ladies tell me how their ex from the past tore their walls and made them wider.

I want to be that guy.

 

[7o9]

Yes I agree. I want to stretch and tear their walls. I want to move different. I've had ladies tell me how their ex from the past tore their walls and made them wider.

I want to be that guy.

Huge-girth, choosing violence

 

[DLD]

Yes I agree. I want to stretch and tear their walls. I want to move different. I've had ladies tell me how their ex from the past tore their walls and made them wider.

I want to be that guy.

Awesome goal!