I've posted on the positive aspects of using cold vs. hot treatments after workouts. I have some great news about the progress I've made with this "new" technique I've been using after my Penis Enlargement workouts. It's called an ice bath, but it doesn't involve a tub. How this works is by taking a dixie cup and filling up the bottom 1/3 with water and sticking it in the freezer, and that's it. Until of course it's time to take a shower after doing a girth session, I like to be clean, you tear up the cup and for 5-8 minutes you work the ice around the joint in a circular motion. The treatment has been used by trainer Lonnie Lowry and Charles Poliquin to help heal muscle tissue after traumatic lifting sessions, and Lonnie wrote an article on this a while back for testosterone.net, which I am having trouble finding at the moment the search engine is messed up. The point of the article was to point out the healing benefits of using the ice bath, and here it is from my memory. When a muscle receives trauma of any sort the tissue will swell and there will be processes that take place that cause the release of readicals into the blood stream that will inhibit the healing process. The removal of these readicals and metabolic wastes is essential to speeding up the healing process, so that the new materials can be synthesized and new tissue can be formed. Growth occurs because of the removal of the wastes and damaging free radicals that are released into the blood after a training session. We talk a lot about drugs and stretching devices and other things to help speed up this process but for some that can get pretty expensive. The ice bath is a cheap and easy way to keep yourself injury free and continually progressing. I use the ice bath then I take a warm shower after it's done, so that fresh blood can be introduced into the damaged environment, jump starting the healing process.
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Yeah this sounds good, though this is no breakthrough, it has been metnioned here before twice now infact. All in all nice post though.
You put ice directly on the skin? Sounds like a bad idea to me.
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A better idea is what Red suggested. Put in a glass of ice water.
Not neccessarily better, but different yes. The reason the ice is put directly against the skin is so there won't be any energy loss from the ice to the water. I've tried that method and it worked, but it didn't get rid of the blood spots I would get until the next day, for some reason the ice bath approach works to get rid of the bruising within 3-4 hours of my session. At the same time the fluid retention from the session is kept at a minimum as well.
As for being posted before, I started a post on cold therapy, and this is an update on that idea. I've tried it, and the application is sound. Any worries about having a loss of ciulation or shrinkage should be forgotten. After the ice bath you take a shower in warm water bringing in fresh blood into your penis. I've noticed since starting this that I stay pumped longer after my workout as well.
As for being posted before, I started a post on cold therapy, and this is an update on that idea. I've tried it, and the application is sound. Any worries about having a loss of ciulation or shrinkage should be forgotten. After the ice bath you take a shower in warm water bringing in fresh blood into your penis. I've noticed since starting this that I stay pumped longer after my workout as well.
so let me get this straight: I freeze a cup of water (1/3 filled) Do my length and girth workout (my Penis Enlargement workout), I take the cup outta the feezer after its all frozen, tear off the cup part and apply it on to my skin for 5-8 minutes in a circular motion. And then i take a warm shower. Did i get it? and another question is do you rub the ice on the base of the penis or on the base and shaft as well?
Yeah, you rub it all over. I started doing the dixie cup after I had what felt like some bruising and thrombosed vein, and ice keeps swelling down in injured tissue, so I used it and it worked. I haven't had a problem since, true it's been nearly two weeks since that happened but I am consistent with my ice bath. what I do with the ice is to use a wax on wax off motion on the shaft and the base, and usually run the ice's edge and sides against the head. A good rule for it is to make sure you hit every part two-three times within the 5-8 minutes. It feels great and it works well.
Very interesting concept. I remember someone on the old Penis Enlargement board was talking about something along these lines. I was always kind of sheepish about ice against the cock but your thread sparked some curiosity. I would love to read the original article, if you can find it. Have you made any gains and/or speed in recovery using these ice baths?
Yeah, I have gone to doing supra's mini slammers on a daily basis, and I do the ice bath after every session. Depending on the time of day I do them the red spots and bruising are gone before I go to bed. So I have been experiencing better recovery rates, and my flaccid hang is getting close to 6 in, so it must be doing something, cause up until about a month ago I wasn't a shower at all. I don't necessarily credit the ice bath with all of it, I do have a ROP that I wear everywhere, so it has influence on the situation as well, but the ice bath has been a big part of my improved recovery rates.
I've done somestretching along with the ice bath and I've noticed the hang seems to be better after the warm shower than it was when I just did the ice bath with no stretching. I've never done the jelqing though.
I've done somestretching along with the ice bath and I've noticed the hang seems to be better after the warm shower than it was when I just did the ice bath with no stretching. I've never done the jelqing though.
I found a section at the end of an Escalating Density Training program, I still haven't found the article that Charles Staley wrote on the subject. I also have the section on the Cryocup after the excerpt from the EDT article.
1) Post-Workout Cryotherapy: The faster you recover from workouts, the more often you can train. The more often you can train, the faster you'll get your new PR's. Now that I've made my case for the importance of recovery, think about something for a second: recovery can be passive (e.g., it will take place eventually even if you don't think about it) or ACTIVE (e.g., you force the issue to enable yourself to recover even faster). Immediately post-training, use a cryocup (from Cryo Therapy, 1-800-ICE-5722) on all trained muscle groups — continue the ice massage until the cup has entirely melted. Focus on soft tissue, staying away from bones and joints. Concentrate on long, deep strokes, going parallel to the muscle fibers.
The Cryocup
No, this isn't a scrotal protection device for Canadians. The Cryocup is an ice massage tool used in the treatment of sprains, muscle spasms, strains, pain and inflammation, and other musculoskeletal conditions.
I first learned about the broad field of cryo-therapy from Charles Staley. Charles strongly recommends ice massage after one of his EDT training sessions to help aid in recovery, reduce soreness, and reduce tissue swelling and microtrauma. In my observations, those who heed his advice and use ice massage get better results from EDT than those who don't.
You can perform ice massage with just about any ol' hunk of ice, but the Cryocup is cheap and handy. It's just a little blue cup made of plastic. You freeze water in it and part of the cup becomes a "handle". The cup also gives the ice a nice round end instead of a sharp edge. Icing is still an uncomfortable experience, but the cup makes it a little more bearable.
When testing out the EDT arm specialization program, I'd sit on the couch after training, spread a towel over my lap, and "massage" my biceps, triceps and forearms with the Cyrocup. When it became too uncomfortable for one arm, I'd switch to the other. Staley says to focus on the soft tissue and perform long, deep strokes going parallel to the muscle fibers. You basically keep going until the ice melts, which only takes about ten minutes.
Yes, cheapskate, you can make your own ice cup easily. Just freeze water in a paper or Styrofoam cup and peal away the bottom part of it. But since the Cryocup is reusable and only about $7, it's worth picking up.
1) Post-Workout Cryotherapy: The faster you recover from workouts, the more often you can train. The more often you can train, the faster you'll get your new PR's. Now that I've made my case for the importance of recovery, think about something for a second: recovery can be passive (e.g., it will take place eventually even if you don't think about it) or ACTIVE (e.g., you force the issue to enable yourself to recover even faster). Immediately post-training, use a cryocup (from Cryo Therapy, 1-800-ICE-5722) on all trained muscle groups — continue the ice massage until the cup has entirely melted. Focus on soft tissue, staying away from bones and joints. Concentrate on long, deep strokes, going parallel to the muscle fibers.
The Cryocup
No, this isn't a scrotal protection device for Canadians. The Cryocup is an ice massage tool used in the treatment of sprains, muscle spasms, strains, pain and inflammation, and other musculoskeletal conditions.
I first learned about the broad field of cryo-therapy from Charles Staley. Charles strongly recommends ice massage after one of his EDT training sessions to help aid in recovery, reduce soreness, and reduce tissue swelling and microtrauma. In my observations, those who heed his advice and use ice massage get better results from EDT than those who don't.
You can perform ice massage with just about any ol' hunk of ice, but the Cryocup is cheap and handy. It's just a little blue cup made of plastic. You freeze water in it and part of the cup becomes a "handle". The cup also gives the ice a nice round end instead of a sharp edge. Icing is still an uncomfortable experience, but the cup makes it a little more bearable.
When testing out the EDT arm specialization program, I'd sit on the couch after training, spread a towel over my lap, and "massage" my biceps, triceps and forearms with the Cyrocup. When it became too uncomfortable for one arm, I'd switch to the other. Staley says to focus on the soft tissue and perform long, deep strokes going parallel to the muscle fibers. You basically keep going until the ice melts, which only takes about ten minutes.
Yes, cheapskate, you can make your own ice cup easily. Just freeze water in a paper or Styrofoam cup and peal away the bottom part of it. But since the Cryocup is reusable and only about $7, it's worth picking up.
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I Incorporated this last night in my workout, i used some cold water, on the Red spotted area from my exercises when i had finsihed, it seemed to reduce the swelling effect you get from a workout..
I am going to keep doing these and will keep you posted on any gains.
I am going to keep doing these and will keep you posted on any gains.
Actually the inflammatory condition is the body's own way of speeding up the healing process, which is why NSAIDS or ice is not as beneficial as it was previously thought to be. Do a search on Prolotherapy, and you will see that heat is infinitely better. Not only that, but where you previously were ordered to rest and elevate a strain, fracture, or injury - there is now high-rep training to create lactic acid (making it burn and swell more) as well as casts which keep a fracture flexible.
The only thing I could think of as beneficial with cold, is in relation to hanging - where you heat the ligaments and tunica prior to, and while stretching it - then cool it down once you've reached maximum length for that stretch.
More info on stretching of ligaments:
About Ligaments:
Unlike muscles which adapt their lengths readily when prompted to do so by instructions from the brain which are carried to the muscles by the nerves of the body -- ligaments are slow to change their own architectural shape. The ligaments are "active", in that they hold things in place while still allowing a certain ability for motion and flexibility.
This "restraint with motion" potential is possible because of what is referred to as the "visco-elastic" nature of ligamentous tissues. That is: ligaments have a "taffy-like" ability to be somewhat 'stiff' and fixed in shape and length, but, they can lengthen and change shape when a sustained load (stretch or compression) is applied.
In fact, applying a sudden load to a joint-- if the force of that load is kept within the level of strength of that joint -- will not permanently change the structure of the joint's ligaments. After the load is removed, the joint (vertebrae and/or bones) will simply go back to where they were. There will be no permanent postural correction.(4)
So, what needs to be understood is that because of the stiffness factor (viscous property), ligaments can be injured by sudden forceful stretching. However, because of the stretchability factor (elastic property) -- a properly directed "constant" load, operating over a proper period of time, repeated often enough -- can change the ligament's form -- producing measureable and permanent correction of joint relations and posture.(2)
In order to deform, and then reform a ligament into a more desireable length and form, the applied "constant" load must reach over 40% of that particular ligament's "ultimate load". A ligament's ultimate load is defined as "the final load reached by a structure before failure". (5,6) So, the force needed to create new ligamentous form is well below the safety limit for loading that ligament, but must be high enough to stretch the ligament such that it only undergoes a partial rebound towards its original length and shape.
It is like pulling a spring out far enough that it doesn't quite go back to its original length -- while being careful not to pull it so far that it breaks. The safety factor for doing this process is increased by doing repetitive loading and unloading cycles before engaging in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] of the ligaments. These repeated loading/unloading cycles create just enough increased elasticity to reduce the joint's elastic resistance factor -- thus reducing the chances of injury to the joint's connective tissues (ligaments). (3)
Repeating this process over time will lead to permanent and positive postural changes with a resulting overall improvement in comfort, freedom of movement, and overall health.
Also read more here: http://www.dynasplint.com/pdfs/Contracture.pdf
The only thing I could think of as beneficial with cold, is in relation to hanging - where you heat the ligaments and tunica prior to, and while stretching it - then cool it down once you've reached maximum length for that stretch.
More info on stretching of ligaments:
About Ligaments:
Unlike muscles which adapt their lengths readily when prompted to do so by instructions from the brain which are carried to the muscles by the nerves of the body -- ligaments are slow to change their own architectural shape. The ligaments are "active", in that they hold things in place while still allowing a certain ability for motion and flexibility.
This "restraint with motion" potential is possible because of what is referred to as the "visco-elastic" nature of ligamentous tissues. That is: ligaments have a "taffy-like" ability to be somewhat 'stiff' and fixed in shape and length, but, they can lengthen and change shape when a sustained load (stretch or compression) is applied.
In fact, applying a sudden load to a joint-- if the force of that load is kept within the level of strength of that joint -- will not permanently change the structure of the joint's ligaments. After the load is removed, the joint (vertebrae and/or bones) will simply go back to where they were. There will be no permanent postural correction.(4)
So, what needs to be understood is that because of the stiffness factor (viscous property), ligaments can be injured by sudden forceful stretching. However, because of the stretchability factor (elastic property) -- a properly directed "constant" load, operating over a proper period of time, repeated often enough -- can change the ligament's form -- producing measureable and permanent correction of joint relations and posture.(2)
In order to deform, and then reform a ligament into a more desireable length and form, the applied "constant" load must reach over 40% of that particular ligament's "ultimate load". A ligament's ultimate load is defined as "the final load reached by a structure before failure". (5,6) So, the force needed to create new ligamentous form is well below the safety limit for loading that ligament, but must be high enough to stretch the ligament such that it only undergoes a partial rebound towards its original length and shape.
It is like pulling a spring out far enough that it doesn't quite go back to its original length -- while being careful not to pull it so far that it breaks. The safety factor for doing this process is increased by doing repetitive loading and unloading cycles before engaging in the [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]traction[/words] of the ligaments. These repeated loading/unloading cycles create just enough increased elasticity to reduce the joint's elastic resistance factor -- thus reducing the chances of injury to the joint's connective tissues (ligaments). (3)
Repeating this process over time will lead to permanent and positive postural changes with a resulting overall improvement in comfort, freedom of movement, and overall health.
Also read more here: http://www.dynasplint.com/pdfs/Contracture.pdf
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Im confused now, I dont know whether to Still have cold wraps or stick to hot ones becuase inflammation is the bodies way of healing.
What he says is correct, inflamation is part of the healing process, but the problem with the swelling is that it can cause retardation of the healing process by becoming so swollen that no healing takes place. I have a friend of mine who has continual problems with gout and he struggles to get around most places when it's bad. Gout is a type of arthritis that causes extremem inflamation at the joint. Part of his treatment for the swelling is to ice 20 min. on and 20 min. off. The ice brings the swelling down allowing for greater blood circulation into the area locally.
With the lactic acid build up and the increase in swelling it may not be swelling they are going for. The lactic acid build up would cause a release of GH that could help speed up the process, but according to new studies the increase in GF is so minut that it would not have a direct effect on recovery. A lot of bodybuilders for years have been tauting a correlation between lactic acid and GH release citing it would help to increase lean mass and drop body fat. As has been seen in several posts, GH is respnsible for the release of IGf-1 which is what really kick starts fat burning and muscle tissue growth in the body.
With the lactic acid build up and the increase in swelling it may not be swelling they are going for. The lactic acid build up would cause a release of GH that could help speed up the process, but according to new studies the increase in GF is so minut that it would not have a direct effect on recovery. A lot of bodybuilders for years have been tauting a correlation between lactic acid and GH release citing it would help to increase lean mass and drop body fat. As has been seen in several posts, GH is respnsible for the release of IGf-1 which is what really kick starts fat burning and muscle tissue growth in the body.
Arthritis is an inflammatory condition involving a host of factors not relevant to this discussion. I could go biochemical on you, but think it over and you will probably see my point.
Re: GH and IGF-1. There are currently 3 splice variants (isoforms) of IGF-1. The circulatory one has no correlation to muscle growth that we know of. GH is good for fat burning, though. IGF-1Eb, also referred to as MGF (mechano-growth factor), is internal to muscle and responsible for overload-induced muscle growth.
Re: GH and IGF-1. There are currently 3 splice variants (isoforms) of IGF-1. The circulatory one has no correlation to muscle growth that we know of. GH is good for fat burning, though. IGF-1Eb, also referred to as MGF (mechano-growth factor), is internal to muscle and responsible for overload-induced muscle growth.
I believe we are talking about two different things here. The thread is in reference to girth work specifically, and since I usually do my length work before hand it is usually included. I completely agree wtih what you are saying in regards to heat during, cold afterward. You want the cells to maintain the enlarged or deformed stage as long as possible so that the tissue will become accustomed to the change. Most of what I have referenced I have been doing post weight training sessions as well, actually have been doing that for the better part of a year now. good post, and good info. Thanks blade.