Bib et al, Fluid Build-up Problem

[hung1]

Hi Bigger and all experienced hangers....

I've been experimenting w/hanger and wrap settings in order to comfortably hang 17.5 max. As stated in a previous thread, I'm getting no or little fatigue, averaging 15+ hr/week hang time w/15 max.

This morning I was able to comfortably hang 17.5 for a while but ended up with fluid buildup that shortened my day even when dropping weights. I start the underwrap about 1/2" behind the ridge firm but not tight, and sprial toward the base. Secondary wrap starts about 1" behind the glans and spirals down, also firm. I'm cut but have a lot of loose skin, some partners have asked if I was uncut. So the firmer wrap keeps everything from just slipping off. The firmer wrap also causes some skin buildup around my head which helps keep the hanger on. I should also say my head is small and tapers from the shaft, and I have a small 4" flaccid girth. After a couple of sets this once helpful skin buildup accumulates fluid, not doughnut like pumpers, but definately there. The fluid buildup area also tends to get a tiny bit numb around the 10-12 minute mark (i only hang for 12 minute sets) around the 3rd set (by now, I down to 12.5-15 lbs). Rest between sets is about 6 minutes, plus a couple of minutes to re-wrap and add weights.

As noted above I re-wrap every set, jelq BHB to the point of a semi between sets, use IR heat. Friday I also started post hang wrapping for discoloration, but mainly for some chance at girth and head size enlargement (I realize that is a long term proposition). I have to be careful with the wrap because if there is too much loss of rigidity, I end up with a chubby, fluidy dick again.

So any advice? I have time and privacy to put in a good 4+ hrs hang time per day, so this is very frustrating. I'm hoping to do another session this afternoon then again in the evening, assuming the fluid recedes enough (it's barely visible 2 hrs after my a.m. session.

Thanks, Bigger et al.....

 

[Bib]

hung,

>This morning I was able to comfortably hang 17.5 for a while but ended up with fluid buildup that shortened my day even when dropping weights. I start the underwrap about 1/2" behind the ridge firm but not tight, and sprial toward the base. Secondary wrap starts about 1" behind the glans and spirals down, also firm. I'm cut but have a lot of loose skin, some partners have asked if I was uncut. So the firmer wrap keeps everything from just slipping off. The firmer wrap also causes some skin buildup around my head which helps keep the hanger on.<

The fluid buildup comes from lack of blood flow, and or high internal blood pressure. It is probably either one of your two wraps is not elastic, or one of the two wraps are too tight. Remember, wrap loose, hanger tight.

>I should also say my head is small and tapers from the shaft, and I have a small 4" flaccid girth. After a couple of sets this once helpful skin buildup accumulates fluid, not doughnut like pumpers, but definately there.<

Yes, I had a head and upper shaft as you describe. Also had to learn to fight the fluid buildup. Stings, doesn't it? Just work with your wrap, and try the things I mentioned above. The good news is, you can beat it. After I learned to only use very elastic wrap, and not get the wrap too tight, I never had any more problems.

>The fluid buildup area also tends to get a tiny bit numb around the 10-12 minute mark (i only hang for 12 minute sets) around the 3rd set (by now, I down to 12.5-15 lbs).<

Yes, that can happen also.

>Rest between sets is about 6 minutes, plus a couple of minutes to re-wrap and add weights.<

Once you get a good wrap, there should be no reason to have to rewrap. You should even be able to pee with it on. You can also BTB jelq with the wrap on.

Bigger

 

[hung1]

Thanks Big,

Both my wraps are elastic, sweatshirt material and self adhesive [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words]-type bandage, very stretchable.

When loose, the whole package seems to slip over my head. I'll keep experimenting. I did manage an afternoon session with less build-up, however maybe it was because of fatigue, I started around 12.5 and worked down to 7.5 (less than half max) before I quit.

H1

 

[hung1]

Oh yeah, I always re-wrapped because I start experiencing a tiny bit of surface numbness after 2 sets, even though I can pee wrapped. I guess if I can work out a looser wrap, I can stay wrapped for longer periods.

Thanks again,

H1

 

[prince Albert]

Have you tried using just one wrap,i could never stop slippage while using two wraps,theraband by itself works best.

Are you taping the loose end of your wrap up?

The method i use is to pull the forskin back over the head,start the wrap loose about an inch and a half below the head and spiral down but allowing the wrap to get tighter as it goes down the shaft.

Once in place the foreskin slips back over the head and the wrap is left just below the head.

 

[Bib]

hung,

>Both my wraps are elastic, sweatshirt material and self adhesive [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words]-type bandage, very stretchable. <

I do not know which type of [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]Ace bandage[/words] you are using, but the sweat shirt material, if normal jersey cloth, is not very elastic. You must wrap it very loose, only as an underwrap.

If you are using the bulky type [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]Ace bandage[/words], then that is probably your problem. It is too bulky, and essentially clogs the blood channels in the hanger, disallowing circulation.

I agree with [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]PA[/words], Theraband is best.

Bigger

Bigger

 

[hung1]

Prince A and Bigger - thank you guys!

My second wrap is a self sticking [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words]-type wrap, very elastic and no tape needed to hold. In the past few days I followed bib's words, "work the wrap". I've been able to hang max weight with the minimal to no slippage, no numbness and minimal skin stretch (i have too much loose skin) - iow - my best hangs ever!

I do have a question regarding the term "comfort" - bib and others have said hanging should be comfortable, I think someone even said you should be able to forget the weights are there. I almost always feel the weight and some discomfort or stress, just as I would lifting bench pressing 125 lbs (86% of my body weight). Anymore, I don't feel as much all day lig fatigue, but do feel it. I reduce weights when the discomfort on the tunica, around the attachment points sort of has me squirming, sweating or watching the clock. That being said, it never hurts (pain) but is often plenty sore. Is that fatigue? Or am I wimping out and cheating myself out of potential gains?

Many, many thanks for your patient and well thought replies.

H1

 

[hung1]

A bit more followup - r.e. my max hangs....my skin is very loose to the point where i appear uncut at times. I think, part of my recent success, (in addition to working the wrap - making it looser) is placing the hanger closer to my glans. I know this is antithetical to most teachings, but when I place the hanger further from my glans, after a few minutes the loose skin "gives" and there is a fairly dramatic slippage of the hanger toward the glans, often resting on bunched up skin and resulting in poorer circulation and a bit of numbness. If I tightened so much the hanger wouldn't move, I would have numbness anyway. I now place the hanger about 1/2-3/4" behind the glans, with loose wrap and have minimal movement, no numbness etc. Thought this idea might help uncut hangers if it meets w/your approval Bib.

Also, in my previous post when I said there is no pain, just soreness, that is only during the hang, it goes away when the weight is removed.

Thanks again -

h1

 

[Bib]

hung,

>My second wrap is a self sticking [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?44-Ace-Strapped-Jims-Joint]ace[/words]-type wrap, very elastic and no tape needed to hold. In the past few days I followed bib's words, "work the wrap". I've been able to hang max weight with the minimal to no slippage, no numbness and minimal skin stretch (i have too much loose skin) - iow - my best hangs ever!<

That sounds great.

>I do have a question regarding the term "comfort" - bib and others have said hanging should be comfortable, I think someone even said you should be able to forget the weights are there.<

Well, that may be a bit hopeful. I always knew the weights were on. What I tried to do was get to the point of a really good stretch, with fatigue, but be able to RELAX.

>I almost always feel the weight and some discomfort or stress, just as I would lifting bench pressing 125 lbs (86% of my body weight). Anymore, I don't feel as much all day lig fatigue, but do feel it. I reduce weights when the discomfort on the tunica, around the attachment points sort of has me squirming, sweating or watching the clock. That being said, it never hurts (pain) but is often plenty sore. Is that fatigue? Or am I wimping out and cheating myself out of potential gains?<

If your limit in a set is because of the attachment point, it probably means your soft tissues are not yet conditioned to accept the amount of compression needed to hang the amount of weight you are using. Not unusual. You might continue to work with your technique, to try and reduce attachment point stress. But it will probably just take time. Do not push it. Just let the normal bodily function of adaptation work, and move up slowly, as you are able.

>A bit more followup - r.e. my max hangs....my skin is very loose to the point where i appear uncut at times. I think, part of my recent success, (in addition to working the wrap - making it looser) is placing the hanger closer to my glans. I know this is antithetical to most teachings, but when I place the hanger further from my glans, after a few minutes the loose skin "gives" and there is a fairly dramatic slippage of the hanger toward the glans, often resting on bunched up skin and resulting in poorer circulation and a bit of numbness.<

That is probably a function of the shaft girth lessening because of the stretch. That is why you need to re-tighten from time to time.

>If I tightened so much the hanger wouldn't move, I would have numbness anyway. I now place the hanger about 1/2-3/4" behind the glans, with loose wrap and have minimal movement, no numbness etc. Thought this idea might help uncut hangers if it meets w/your approval Bib.<

Yes, that is fine. Everyone is different. Whatever works for you is what you need to do. That is why I always stress that guys experiment.

>Also, in my previous post when I said there is no pain, just soreness, that is only during the hang, it goes away when the weight is removed.<

That is normal. But then, if you manually stretch after a set, can you feel the fatigue?

Bigger

 

[hung1]

Thanks Bigger,

I really feel I'm on the right track - I can feel fatigue when stretching immediately after a set. I agree regarding the attachment point needing to adapt to the stress. In fact the only reason I take a day off now and then is to let that area heal.

After logging 43 days of hanging (there were about 20-30 days prior to logging with Excel, where I worked up from 5 lbs) I've had an unofficial gain EBP of 1/8" and 3/16-1/4 Flaccid stretch gain. My official measuring date will be on the 60th day. I don't want to measure too often and become disheartened by lack of progress or by comparing to quicker gainers.

Thanks again,

H1

 

[Bib]

hung,

That sounds great!

Bigger