I just received my PF yesterday, and have it working, but am having a few problems maintaining belt tension. Far as I can tell, you put on the bell, attach it to the belt, pull the belt and adjust the base ring until you have the right tension. Trouble is, at least in my case, I have to keep adjusting the belt. I can get it so it's, say, just slightly in the red. But walk around for a couple of minutes and look and I can see I'm down in the yellow or even the green. So, readjust the belt, but a short time later, same thing happens. Anybody know how to set it so that you don't need to keep readjusting?
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doublelongdaddy;745923 said:
Penis pulled up at an angle and belt riding above my hips. Also, since you responded to this, DLD, I'd like to address another issue with the PF that now really has me confused. You may recall in another post, I pointed out that the tension gauge on the PF is very inaccurate, and that the actual tension, whether in the green, yellow or red zone is much, much less than PF's tension chart suggests. In any event, I wrote the company and addressed that issue and asked them to explain. I also asked them about the difficulty in applying the comfort cap when I'm uncut. Reason being as it's hard to pull back the foreskin with one hand while trying to apply the comfort cap with the other. I received their reply this morning and in addition to them NOT addressing the tension gauge discrepancies, they also provided instructions which have me a little baffled. First read the reply they sent me, then I have a couple questions following. Bold emphasis is mine:
"Dear Sir,
thanks for your message. We recommend not to pull back the foreskin. We recommend to put baby powder in- and outside of the sleeve condoms and also at the glans. Please keep staying in the green area (end of green), and only if you have the feeling to need more tension, then go carefully to the yellow area, but please avoid the red one completely. Because too high tension can create inflammation, and it pulls the cells together instead of widening and create new ones."
So WTF, they want me to stretch my foreskin as well? The last thing in the world I want is more foreskin! And stay in the green area? That's a very, very small amount of tension. I haven't measured it, but I would guess, based on a 2.5 lb plate sending the gauge into the red zone, that the tension in the green zone would be at the most a pound. Then that last statement, that too high a tension can have a reverse effect. This flies in the face of just about everything we've been doing with PE. I mean, why do we have a LM? To be able to create more powerful stretches. Why do we keep increasing weight for hanging? More intensity. And why do each generation of extenders come out with increasingly more powerful springs? Same reason. More intensity. More stretch. MORE! PF's methodology seems to run contrary to all of this, and has me a little baffled. Also, you may notice they DID NOT address at all the inaccuracy of the gauge on the PF. And THAT, as I stated to them, was the MAIN REASON why I wrote them. So, what am I, or any of us using the PF, to do with this advice.
What say you?
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I can see your concern fill. I don't understand the statement regarding staying out of the red. Why would they have it on the device if you are not suppose to work up to that level? DLD can correct me if I am wrong but stretching beyond your normal EL and getting the tunica to breakdown is where the gains start to happen. Keeping the device in the green is using it more as a passive device
Lookn4girth;745951 said:
In response to your pointing out why they would even have a red zone, i would surmise that, if anything, it is to let you know the tension is too high. But still, I've measured the tension with a weight plate, and a mere 2.5 pounds puts you well into the red. But staying in the green zone might explain why some users, as I've seen in postings, have made no gains after months of dedicated usage. Maybe they were following directions and keeping it in the green. On the other hand, maybe the folks at PF are right, and keeping the tension higher ie red zone is counterproductive, and maybe the users who got no gains were doing that.
It's all very confusing! I assume that in the alleged PF clinical studies, all participants kept the tension in the green or yellow zones? Also, I should point out that in another of their emails, they recommended NOT using any other method of enlargement. In other words, no manual stretching, no bundles, no LM, no BM, no clamping, no jelqing. Nothing! I wonder if DLD or other experienced PE'ers on this site would concur.
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Fillerup;745967 said:
I would say no. I am pretty sure that I am making gains and they are not coming from the PF alone, just my guess. Do I think that I am getting something from the PF, yes, on average, I stay stretched 8 to 10 hours a day, usually in the high green to yellow. I would tend to think that something has to be coming from that
Lookn4girth;745970 said:
The only question I have, is that when you are employing various modalities to achieve gains, it may be difficult to determine which of them, or which combination of them, produced the desired results. Say, 6 months from now, you've gained an inch (and I hope you do), which methods caused it? Was it primarily the PF? Was it the LM? Or Hanging? Was it the BM, or manual stretching? Or a little of each. I think in reality, the only way to to know if you're gaining from the PF, and how much, is by using it exclusively. And who wants to take that chance? Besides, if you do gain an inch or more, I don't think you'd care which individual method or combination did the trick.
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Fillerup;746047 said:The only question I have, is that when you are employing various modalities to achieve gains, it may be difficult to determine which of them, or which combination of them, produced the desired results. Say, 6 months from now, you've gained an inch (and I hope you do), which methods caused it? Was it primarily the PF? Was it the LM? Or Hanging? Was it the BM, or manual stretching? Or a little of each. I think in reality, the only way to to know if you're gaining from the PF, and how much, is by using it exclusively. And who wants to take that chance? Besides, if you do gain an inch or more, I don't think you'd care which individual method or combination did the trick.
That is true, it does not matter which method led to the gains, I will take them
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Fillerup;746047 said:The only question I have, is that when you are employing various modalities to achieve gains, it may be difficult to determine which of them, or which combination of them, produced the desired results. Say, 6 months from now, you've gained an inch (and I hope you do), which methods caused it? Was it primarily the PF? Was it the LM? Or Hanging? Was it the BM, or manual stretching? Or a little of each. I think in reality, the only way to to know if you're gaining from the PF, and how much, is by using it exclusively. And who wants to take that chance? Besides, if you do gain an inch or more, I don't think you'd care which individual method or combination did the trick.
This is true because when you gaining you do not want to stop gaining to see where the gains are coming from
Confusing, I know. So do not guess or even care, if you are gaining continue with what you are doing. If you truly want to know where the gains are coming from you would need to eliminate exercises or tools to find where your gains would slow if you ceased that particular tool or exercise. If things are working no need to fix it.doublelongdaddy;746067 said:This is true because when you gaining you do not want to stop gaining to see where the gains are coming from
Hey DLD, what do you think of Phallosan's statement in an email to me that I should use the guage in the green or possibly the yellow but NEVER into the red. They stated that low tension will produce the gains BUT that higher tension could have the reverse effect and tighten things up? If that's true, then all these heavy manual stretches, the LM, hanging etc would be counterproductive. What gives with that? I posed this question for you on a couple of other threads, but no reply so far. Here I am excited to be getting my X4 and doing a Phallogenetics setup to get a really good stretch. But Phallosan tells me that is not a good idea. And it's not because of safety concerns. It's because they say doing so would stop you from gaining. WTF?
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Fillerup;746088 said:
This is precautionary and to avoid law suits, much like listing side effects on certain items even though the chances of something bad to happen are 100 to 1, they still need to list it. Go into the Red if you feel able and this will not stunt growth, it will bring more growth. Basically the comments on red are 'covering their ass'
Matters of Size has always gone above and beyond what is the norm and that is why we have record gains. Have no fear of the red!doublelongdaddy;746154 said:This is precautionary and to avoid law suits, much like listing side effects on certain items even though the chances of something bad to happen are 100 to 1, they still need to list it. Go into the Red if you feel able and this will not stunt growth, it will bring more growth. Basically the comments on red are 'covering their ass'
Yeah, I did consider that, and even suggested the same to lookn4girth in a posting to him. I wonder, though, could people really get gains with the PF if they followed their instructions ie never go into the red and do not supplement with any other enlargement method. I have my doubts, as being in the green is maybe a 1-lb pull. I think I'll stick with my original plan and go for intensity. Oh, and BTW, My X4 extreme arrived 15 minutes ago. Yes!!
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Fillerup;746165 said:
Congrats on the x4 arrival fill. I personally set my tension on what gives me a good pull. Most of the time I am in the high green to yellow but I have adjusted the belt up and been in the red. It still does not pull as much as I do with my LM. There is no way to tell but when I do the mod on the SG and attach it the tension is far greater than what I get with the PF alone. You will have to experiment with your new setup and see what you think
Lookn4girth;746171 said:
The high green to yellow is not a lot of pull actually. Like I pointed out, a 2.5 pound plate puts the PF into the red zone, so I can surmise that high green to yellow would be in the 1-2 pound range. And you're right, you would get way, way, way more stretch with the LM. As for the X4, I hope to spend some time today figuring out how it works, and then eventually modifying to use the pf with it. The stretch should be at least double what I get with the PF alone, as you pointed out.
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Fillerup;746219 said:
You are right fill, the tension with the PF even in the red is not that much. It is just my thinking but it seems to be more of a passive device. I would like to think that it is retraining my penis to stay in the elongated state, ie, increasing flaccid hang while adding a little length as a bonus. I can only speculate that this is what is happening but I can say that when I take the device off in the evenings my flaccid hang is twice what it was when I put it on. Based on that alone, I would think that the stretch, while minimal, is still moving us closer to the end goal of gaining some length. Let us know what you think of the mod when you get it done and attach it
Lookn4girth;746258 said:
Well, I've been playing around with the extender today. When strapping it in, I still find myself getting pinched. As I pull the strap tight, it manages to grab a bit of skin and pinch it. And even when I do get it strapped in, it is not really comfortable. Probably because some piece of skin is trapped. This pinching skin is a real problem for me, in every device I use. I'm going to try a couple of different things. I'm thinking of putting on the comfort pad, then wrap some THERABAND tightly around that, then strap in. It might help prevent pinching. I also don't think you can wear this too long without cutting off circ. It's a bit of a learning curve for sure. I will get around to using the PF with the extender, but I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to attach it. You use wire I think?
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Fillerup;746286 said:
It took me a little while to get the wrap right for the SG as well. I posted a picture in my progress thread of what I settled on and it works really well for me. The wife actually made a sleeve out of fleece. She took 2 pieces of fleece material about 4" long and sewed them together at the edge leaving a small area at one end not sewed to allow for a little give. I take this and place it over my penis and pull it down about 2" behind the glan, I then take my piece of rubber and wrap at the back edge of the fleece. I then fold the front edge of the sleeve back behind the head and on top of the piece of rubber. I then take a piece of self adhesive ace and wrap over that. One other thing that I do when I attach the strap is I use my finger to pull my penis to one side while I pull the strap through. This will help with the pinching while pulling the strap down. You are correct in that I had to take the SG off about every hour or so to restore circulation. As for what I use when I did the mod, I used a pipe cleaner that you can pick up at any hobby/craft store or Wal-mart/Target
Lookn4girth;746298 said:
My X4 came with the regular head that you strap into, but also what they call in "infinite fit quad support." What that is is an additional head that is longer than the original and allows for 2 straps, or 2 nooses, or 2 Velcro straps. Pretty cool as it distributes the strapping in over a larger area. It also came with a extra wide base for guys with more girth. It's a good thing because there was no way I could use the regular one. Good idea for using your finger to move your dick over so as not to get pinched when strapping in. So do you use the SG as a stand alone sometimes and others with the PF? Also, you said you used a pipe cleaner to attach the PF. Exactly how did you do that? Do you wrap around the PF bell right over top of the sleeve? And how do you secure it?
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Fillerup;746307 said:
I seldom use my SG alone since getting the PF. If I use it, I use it with the mod done as it is a lot more comfortable. I take the pipe cleaner and wrap it around the small end of the bell where the pump attaches. There is a small area behind that flange that fits the pipe cleaner perfectly. After wrapping it I simply twist it 4 or 5 times and it holds great. I take the other ends and put them through the holes in the head piece of the SG where the noose would go. While compressing the springs with one hand I pull the pipe cleaner tight and twist with the other hand to hold it in place
