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And the WINNER OF 1000 USD for the correct answer is:


Originally Posted by arkailija:

"The silicone gaiter is non-toxic, so it doesn't irritate the skin, competiting product has gaiter of not-so-safe plastic, which in action will abrade the skin.
Also, the silicone gaiter allows the skin move better, where as the other is limiting it / or dragging.

All the luck to those who know better than me, the Penomet gaiter sure does smell better ...
But really, I feel there's less this drag / unwanted friction in the Penomet gaiter, it just slides."

Indeed the Synthetic Rubber does actually cause great irritation and is not toxin free or RoHS compliant. The cheap filler materials used in the competitions gaiters, to lower production cost, are just that, fillers.
Penomet gaiters are 100% Medical Grade Silicone and Allergens free. Now we know why Bathmate never releases any certifications :)

Congratulations to arkailija for pinpointing the reason for no fluid relation (or minimal fluid retention) in the Penomet Penis Pump.

Hurray!

Dave C.
 
Thank you!

I was truly astonished when I came home and hopped online to view MOS. A great Christmas present, I'm most grateful!
 
Penomet;521062 said:
And the WINNER OF 1000 USD for the correct answer is:


Originally Posted by arkailija:

"The silicone gaiter is non-toxic, so it doesn't irritate the skin, competiting product has gaiter of not-so-safe plastic, which in action will abrade the skin.
Also, the silicone gaiter allows the skin move better, where as the other is limiting it / or dragging.

All the luck to those who know better than me, the Penomet gaiter sure does smell better ...
But really, I feel there's less this drag / unwanted friction in the Penomet gaiter, it just slides."

Indeed the Synthetic Rubber does actually cause great irritation and is not toxin free or RoHS compliant. The cheap filler materials used in the competitions gaiters, to lower production cost, are just that, fillers.
Penomet gaiters are 100% Medical Grade Silicone and Allergens free. Now we know why Bathmate never releases any certifications :)

Congratulations to arkailija for pinpointing the reason for no fluid relation (or minimal fluid retention) in the Penomet Penis Pump.

Hurray!

Dave C.
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WOW, I did not even know this was going on! I am also happy the world finally knows, the reason for Penomet's success thus far, is their determination to make the best pump possible. The quality of materials is top of the line and the fact that what we have to say at Matters of Size is being listened to, that is a huge A+ in my book!
 
Penomet;521062 said:
And the WINNER OF 1000 USD for the correct answer is:


Originally Posted by arkailija:

"The silicone gaiter is non-toxic, so it doesn't irritate the skin, competiting product has gaiter of not-so-safe plastic, which in action will abrade the skin.
Also, the silicone gaiter allows the skin move better, where as the other is limiting it / or dragging.

All the luck to those who know better than me, the Penomet gaiter sure does smell better ...
But really, I feel there's less this drag / unwanted friction in the Penomet gaiter, it just slides."

Indeed the Synthetic Rubber does actually cause great irritation and is not toxin free or RoHS compliant. The cheap filler materials used in the competitions gaiters, to lower production cost, are just that, fillers.
Penomet gaiters are 100% Medical Grade Silicone and Allergens free. Now we know why Bathmate never releases any certifications :)

Congratulations to arkailija for pinpointing the reason for no fluid relation (or minimal fluid retention) in the Penomet Penis Pump.

Hurray!

Dave C.
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Did you do an anylsis of the material(bathamte) ? How do you come to this conclusion?
Im seriously concerned.

You should clarify this immediately. Either you are lying to denounce the other product or Bathmate is poising us cause if this material is not safe then it will harm espacially when used for months or years.
 
dickerschwanz;522270 said:
Im really paranoid about such stuff. Thinkign baout not using the Bathmate today.. :(
DLD any comments on that?
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The remark about Bathmate's rubber containing filler is a scare tactic to get you to buy a new product. It's a load of bull. The only way toxins are released from rubbers and plastics is when the rubber or plastic approaches a melting point (reaching a phase change). Using it at temperatures below melting will not cause any toxins to be released. The rubber that is used on the Bathmate is entirely fine; no odors are released from it. If there were an odor, then you should be concerned. Think of it as microwaving plastic, you aren't supposed to microwave it because it releases the toxins because you are heating it to a temperature that will eventually cause it to melt. So ignore the claim about "medical grade silicone," it doesn't matter much. Also, the Bathmate and the penomet are not inserted into the body; which these toxins could have some potential harm. Since there seems to be some hard ball going on here as far as pushing people to completely stop using one product, I will point out the medical grade silicone has three different classes: non-implantable, short-term implantable, and long-term implantable. None of these apply since you don't use the Penomet in your butt or as a breast implant. The limitation to medical grade silicone is "they exhibit poor tear strength and poor resistance to fatigue" (1). I could see this as being a potential issue for something constantly used under pressure with a good amount of stress on the silicone; not to mention it is the rubber or silicone that creates the suctions by being squeezed.

(1): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_grade_silicone#Limitations
 
BigRedXL;530700 said:
The remark about Bathmate's rubber containing filler is a scare tactic to get you to buy a new product. It's a load of bull. The only way toxins are released from rubbers and plastics is when the rubber or plastic approaches a melting point (reaching a phase change). Using it at temperatures below melting will not cause any toxins to be released. The rubber that is used on the Bathmate is entirely fine; no odors are released from it. If there were an odor, then you should be concerned. Think of it as microwaving plastic, you aren't supposed to microwave it because it releases the toxins because you are heating it to a temperature that will eventually cause it to melt. So ignore the claim about "medical grade silicone," it doesn't matter much. Also, the Bathmate and the penomet are not inserted into the body; which these toxins could have some potential harm. Since there seems to be some hard ball going on here as far as pushing people to completely stop using one product, I will point out the medical grade silicone has three different classes: non-implantable, short-term implantable, and long-term implantable. None of these apply since you don't use the Penomet in your butt or as a breast implant. The limitation to medical grade silicone is "they exhibit poor tear strength and poor resistance to fatigue" (1). I could see this as being a potential issue for something constantly used under pressure with a good amount of stress on the silicone; not to mention it is the rubber or silicone that creates the suctions by being squeezed.

(1): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_grade_silicone#Limitations
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Hey BigRedXL,

I dont think Penomed LLC would resort to propaganda or scare tactics, lets leave that to Bathmate Co. and friends. However, yes, SGS did analyze the Synthetic Rubber used in the Bathmate X-40 model in 2012.11.01 and if it where made outside the United Kingdom it would not get RoHS certification. Sad.

Physical observation of the unit done internally by engineers specializing in the field of "all things plastic" revealed that the after a few weeks, the black material starts shadowing white/gray murky color indicating that too much filler material is used in the mixture of the plastic compound. If I was a manufacturer and wanted to make as much money as I could, I would use fillers and cheaper Synthetic Rubber (SR) compounds and dilute it as much as I could with fillers.

After some fact checking, you are right about the classification of Medical Grade Silicone, it is indeed categorized (medically) into three categories. However, today's trend have lead almost all manufacturers away from SR to Food Grade Silicone or better. Almost all dildos, vibrators and other internal devices are now Medical Grade Silicone and almost all external sex toys as well.

Regarding silicone degradation, I would not worry about that since Penomed LLC offers lifetime replacement warranty without asking a question. If something happens to your gaiter, you get a new one.

Cheers!

Dave C.
 
Penomet;531882 said:
Hey BigRedXL,

I dont think Penomed LLC would resort to propaganda or scare tactics, lets leave that to Bathmate Co. and friends. However, yes, SGS did analyze the Synthetic Rubber used in the Bathmate X-40 model in 2012.11.01 and if it where made outside the United Kingdom it would not get RoHS certification. Sad.

Physical observation of the unit done internally by engineers specializing in the field of "all things plastic" revealed that the after a few weeks, the black material starts shadowing white/gray murky color indicating that too much filler material is used in the mixture of the plastic compound. If I was a manufacturer and wanted to make as much money as I could, I would use fillers and cheaper Synthetic Rubber (SR) compounds and dilute it as much as I could with fillers.

After some fact checking, you are right about the classification of Medical Grade Silicone, it is indeed categorized (medically) into three categories. However, today's trend have lead almost all manufacturers away from SR to Food Grade Silicone or better. Almost all dildos, vibrators and other internal devices are now Medical Grade Silicone and almost all external sex toys as well.

Regarding silicone degradation, I would not worry about that since Penomed LLC offers lifetime replacement warranty without asking a question. If something happens to your gaiter, you get a new one.

Cheers!

Dave C.
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I love that you never hide from a comment, you answer all questions good or bad!
 
Let's not forget to educate everyone on what an Rohs certification is lol again the whole reason ill go with another brand ,too much foolery with you guys. Not to mention in your pressure test the lower pressure is greater since we are dealing with vacuum and measuring in psi the lower number has the greater vacuum,remember atmosphere is around 15psi (1 bar) Maybe kpa or hg or even tor would be better to understand Haha
Oh yeah these are not small electrical devices RoHs really has no relevance for these products. It was implemented to reduce hazardous waste from outdated electronics and 6 chemicals are targeted. Also with the new RoHS2 the CE covers that so no need to try and advertise that as some sort of positive when it really means nothing.
AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF! MY X-40 HAS CERIGHT ON THE SIDE OF IT!
Educate yourselves!
 
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Penomet;531882 said:
Hey BigRedXL,



Physical observation of the unit done internally by engineers specializing in the field of "all things plastic" revealed that the after a few weeks, the black material starts shadowing white/gray murky color indicating that too much filler material is used in the mixture of the plastic compound. If I was a manufacturer and wanted to make as much money as I could, I would use fillers and cheaper Synthetic Rubber (SR) compounds and dilute it as much as I could with fillers.



Cheers!

Dave C.
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So you got guys in the all things plastic field to to look over the Skin safe rubber? Some people would call this blooming and it is a sign of high quality natural rubber. Mine has never done this though but I have noticed in some videos theirs are. Especially the ones that are 3+ years old. Did you know that rubber is actually white? All this information is freely available on the internet by trusted scientific sources. I highly doubt any toxicity is causing fluid retention and think BigRedXL hit the nail on the head with you guys! I noticed this from day one when you guys started slandering Bathmate for their Valve design.
That is all,
Mike
 
Warning to you guys out there dont buy from these maggots they ripped me off I bought the package in april still waiting for it they have no phone lines and never reply from their emails
 
Station93;571382 said:
Warning to you guys out there dont buy from these maggots they ripped me off I bought the package in april still waiting for it they have no phone lines and never reply from their emails
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You should have simply sent me an email and I would have dealt with this for you, as I do everyone who comes to me. Send me an email explaining your issues and I will have it dealt with immediately. This is one of the BIGGEST reasons to but here....the support
 
Station93;571382 said:
Warning to you guys out there dont buy from these maggots they ripped me off I bought the package in april still waiting for it they have no phone lines and never reply from their emails
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You should have simply sent me an email and I would have dealt with this for you, as I do everyone who comes to me. Send me an email explaining your issues and I will have it dealt with immediately. This is one of the BIGGEST reasons to but here....the support
 
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