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Well, since I've been following, I can see how Kong feels needled in a few instances. Which it may be unintentional, but it is indeed there. It truly does not matter what the intent was, but how it was taken. Kong took your statement of having an intact frenulum to heart. In case you're not sure why that's important, it's because the frenulum contains nerve endings which are removed in majority of circumcisions. So it seems as though you were bragging a bit, since I assume you understand what that little flap of skin means. Anyway, Kong has every right to feel the way he does. Was it meant that way, maybe and maybe not. I honestly feel like you two should both go to your separate corners and think about what you're done to each other Honestly, let things cool down a bit, and everything will be just fine.

To Anybody Actually Following This: please read the actual threads before you evaluate that statement and pass judgement.

:D See what I mean? :D

Well, whatever...all you guys have made me reevaluate my attitudes. I am going to continue my FR work here on MOS. The support you have shown me, both in the public threads and in PMs, has convinced me that there are quite a few people here who want me to continue.

For those of you who don't like me or don't agree with me, well, you're certainly entitled to your opinions...

Hey Kong, I'm new to posting on this forum so maybe my words won't hold much weight to others around here, but who knows. You've got to be true to yourself and follow your own path, but you really should just take a breather and really see this situation for what it is. You are very passionate about your beliefs, as are others on this forum. If you truly believe in FR then that's all that matters. The fact that you catch so much flac for it just goes to show that it must really mean alot more to those who dismiss it, otherwise why would they spend so much of their own efforts on the subject? Think about that for a moment. Aside from that, come on man you've put way too much of yourself here to just walk away from everything and everyone. When I first started reading your posts you really cracked me up with all your one-liners and crazy avatars (my wife get's a kick out of them too by the way). You're needed and respected here more than you know.

In regards to all those who are constantly putting Kong on the offensive you need to realize something. Whether you're cut or not if you give those who are different than you a hard time you're fueling the fire of insecurities on both sides. Me personally, I'm uncut and damn happy for that fact. But I can tell you that wasn't always the case. I spent most of my childhood in small town in the midwest. Everybody was Caucausian except for one other kid in one of my classes. I used to get in fights and bullied by older kids all the time just because " I didn't look like them." By the second grade I had not learned how to swim so my stepdad set me up for classes at a local rec center. When the other kids (and adults) saw my natural uncut penis I got all kinds of weird "what up with his package?" looks and plenty of negative comments. After one of the classes one of the other kids actually came up to me and said, "you can't swim 'cause your brown". His father was there and didn't even correct his son, he just gave a look of indifference. So growing up you could say I had a complex about being uncut. Why was I so different? I begged my mom to to take me to the doctor so I could be "fixed". Of course now that I'm an adult I realize that I grew up around a bunch of redneck idiots who were about as socially evolved as a pile of crap. Being uncut in this country carries a social stigma which is the result of of pure ignorance on the part of our society. Men are most likely more insecure on THIS issue than if they are on the "small side". It can be a very personal and damaging experience for those who fall victim to this type ignorance. Why does Kong take this all so personal? BECAUSE FOR HIM AND MANY OTHER'S IT IS, DAMN IT! Now do I think Kong can be abusive to other memebers in his posts? The answer is yes. But if anyone here feels attacked their natural reaction is to retalliate, which is precisely the case with Kong. Kong you need to grow thicker skin, no pun intended. And to those who feel the constant need to challenge him and put him on the offensive why don't you put a little more of that energy into you cocks and stop coming off as one. :s

That's an awesome post, mogli. Thank you so much.

Yes, I am sensitive. Yes, I get cranky-- not necessarily from just defending myself, but having to do it over and over for hours at a time. It's annoying! S---k is well aware of my buttons and isn't afraid to push them.

Aside from that, your story is poignant and heartbreaking. Social acceptance is also a part of what I am fighting so passionately for.

Kong, don't take it too personal... you have so much passion for FR that it has become a chip on your shoulder and should anyone disagree with you, you start a fight and start name calling. Simply put, you take opposing opinions way too seriously or personal. Bro, it's OK if not everyone agrees with you. All you can do is post your argument and facts, but you must also be open to opposing opinions and facts. It's up to the reader to read both sides and form their own opinions...

I think that wanting to leave because of one person arguing with you is almost childish. We're all grown-ups here and i'm glad that you had a change of heart.

I think Swank needs to quit bickering. If you don't agree that's cool, but to carry stuff on and on is a little childish to me. Everyone here is an adult and needs to act like it.

against_odds21, did you read all of the threads before you decided who was behaving in a more adult fashion? Kong did exactly the same things he has accused me of in his posting as well, except I was not in any way upset by it or taking things personally.

One of the threads, in which I am assumably 'attacking Kong,' is actually just a study that I posted, and then defended from Kong's commentary. This included Kong referring to me as a moron and idiot on multiple occasions, as well claiming that he was "fucking my ideas in the ass." So you see, it was actually not such a one-sided, abusive affair.

Although Kong seems to think it is funny, I would seriously like the input of more forum members on the threads in the FR section and am curious to hear their opinions on the topic in general. If you have spare time, are bored, or even interested perhaps, please have a look if you get a chance.

against_odds21 said:

I think Swank needs to quit bickering. If you don't agree that's cool, but to carry stuff on and on is a little childish to me. Everyone here is an adult and needs to act like it.

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This is an open forum... i don't think anyone should have to curt saying what they believe as long as they are respectful of the other's opinion. After reading the threads in which Kong and Swank debated FR, Swank may have carried on a bit but he wasn't bickering. He made very good points, just a Kong did without getting nasty as Kong did at times. I'm not choosing sides here, i just think that everyone should have the right to post an opposing view.

I will now add my two cents as I feel I was involved a bit as well.

I made an attepmt to moderate the debate. To try and keep the discussion as civil as possible. While I think both made excellant points, I also think both provided inacurate, or skewed evidence. In my opinion, one study where there were only 24 test subjects that had had both, and another where all the test subjects were garnered from an anti-circ publication, is very poor grounds to come to any conclusion.

I think the important thing to remember is how will guest here view us as a community when are so quick to let a simple debate decline so quickly. I think we should all try to stay aware of the chance that we will have teenage boys cruising these forums and they can be very impressionable. I know how much great info there is here and how great all the mods are to help those who are new and ask. But I also remember when I was a young teenager and how bullet proof I thought I was. Maybe we will have a youngman come in here and say, "Wow! That guy is hanging 5 pounds from his dick and in 6 months he gained an inch! I wonder how long it will take if I hang 50?!?!" Unlikely and exagerated? Probably. Could it happen? Sure. Even though there are post upon post of warning here it would not surprise me if someone eventually injures themselves for a very foolish attempt at immediate results. I know I got off topic a bit there, but I wanted to make the point.

I think what we have here is something that could have turned into something a lot uglier than it actually was. I am sure many remember how Supra edited, skewed, and deleted certain post in order to maintain all of the advantages of his ROP. This could have turned just as ugly and I am glad it didn't. I believe this has not gotten that far as to not to be repaired.

And on another note. I really wish Kong would stay. His knowledge of infantile circumcisions has really opened the eyes of a lot of people and yours truly included. He is also a shining example to all on to how to have Penis Enlargement, FR and sex in general out in the open with one's spouse or significant other.

Just kook's 2 cents

I'm happy you're staying, Kong

I'm happy as fuck that you are staying Kong Man.

You TAUGHT ME TO T-TAPenis Enlargement, NEVER FUCKING LEAVE!

It's because of you that I put a little band-aid on my pecker every morning, no one else.

Glad you're staying bro.

First off, I'm glad Kong has decided to stay. I know eventually we will probably all leave here, but I don't believe it is Kong's time yet. Not to say that it's anybody else's decision but Kong's whether to leave or not. But he has contributed greatly to the FR section of this site, and with that, good or bad, now has somewhat of a responsibility to continue his work.

I have been following the threads Swank mentioned, and personally do not see anything wrong with what Swank has said. He's just presenting another view of circumcision.

Quite frankly, until this debate between Swank and Kong, I had never really had much of an interest in the FR section. This debate has piqued my interest in FR. And I'm sure many others are now aware of that section of this site, if they weren't aware of it before. That is a good thing for the FR forum.

Kong, like I said before, this wouldn't be a good time to pack up and go. I think you're going to be getting a lot more interest in the forums. Don't let the knowledge you have acquired go to waste. There's always going to be two sides of a debate. I, for one, like to hear both sides and then make my decision on what to do.

jGman, thanks for adding your thoughts.

It has been my primary intention to get another viewpoint out there.

Kong and I got into it, thats for sure, but I have repeated more than once that it is my goal to get men to look into this for themselves rather than automatically accept one viewpoint. It's not about who is right or who is the 'attackor' in those threads, but about getting people to consider both sides of the story before making a decision.

It does indeed please me to hear individuals like yourself saying that they'll consider the issue from both sides before deciding what is right or reasonable. That's my goal in all of this . . .

Disclaimer: i mean no offence.

Kong, everyones listed the good stuff about ya so i won't bother repeat any of it, but i think your a person who has a lot of trouble seeing things through other peoples eyes, i can give a number of examples but don't ask me to point out specific threads coz i can't be fudged scrounging around for them.

when it comes to your weight, fact 1. your a large guy, fact 2. noone cares. there's been many many times where your very defencive of the topic, everyone knows ya can't judge a person by his weight just like penis size. but i've NEVER seen ANYONE here diss ANYONE'S weight.

you have slight homosexual tendicies, and i've seen you more than once not being able to accept that some people are simply 100% straight, you've called people flat out liers when all they've said is "i don't have any interest in guys"

forskins, im circ'd, and its never affected my life in any way, if i have kids im not gonna get them circ'd just because i don't think its necessary, NOT coz i think its an absolute atrocity. your view on circumcism would take a while to explain and i'd never be able to do it fully coz im not inside your head, but it is very passionate and fiercly one sided.

this is constuctive criticizm, call me out if im wrong.

Hey Kong,

I can understand your frustration. There has been something that has helped me out QUITE a few times being a contributor and mod to any forums. Not to take 90% of things to heart!


I hope it helps you a little, if not just make you smile!

Arent we all just a little "touched"?

Ha! Way to shed some perspective and laughs at the same time.

Thanks again for the support.

Okay, since I am trying to turn over a new leaf, I read all your posts here in this thread with a more open mind and here are my responses.

AC, I AM defensive and throw too many hissy fits if someone disagrees with me. I DO take dissent to heart a little too much. I will try to remedy this in the future. Jason1 accused me of acting like a diva. :D I guess that's true. If you catch me doing this in the future, will you PM me and tell me to quit being a bitch? I do tend to go off the deep end at times. I don't know if I can catch myself doing it and stop in time...it's just my personality.

kooky, you've been a good friend. I would like to PM you when I get some time and talk with you about some things. I'm still thinking about some stuff and about what to say. About Supra deleting threads and stuff...well, Supra and I were friends before that. As defensive as I am, tho, I would never DELETE threads or do anything underhanded like that. I will constrain myself strictly to diva behavior and hissy fits. :D

shithead, I can't call you out because you're right about everything. I guess I am insecure about my weight and no one else cares. Shrug. Oh well. I can't help being overly sensitive about it and you can't help not caring! :D About the homo tendencies...well, my sexuality is kind of weird. Can you be both a little bit gay and completely straight at the same time? If you knew my entire past, you might understand me a little better and not think I'm such an oddball. That's what I am. It's weird. I have always tried to understand my sexuality and have had alot of frustration doing so because alot of men just can't talk openly about it, whether they feel the same as me or not. I'm not trying to "get" anyone or push my views on anyone. I am only trying to understand myself better. Am I straight? Yes, but...and the but has always driven me crazy! I don't like it honestly and maybe think I can get rid of it completely if I understood it completely. The main point is, I suspect there are men like me and I would like to discuss this thing with them, but there is that wall of silence and I keep rapping my head against it. I'm glad you wont have your kids circed if you have boys, and I thank you for your post. It was good. We may never see eye to eye, but that's okay!

I have to confess, too, that some of the "gay" posts I made in the past were pranks that Supra and I conspired on together. I apologize. I think it has bothered a few people from the posts I have read in the last couple days and I do feel bad about it. Supra was kind of a bad influence on me when I first started posting here on MOS. We actually created the 4skin forum together, then we had a falling out over the thread deletion thing, but that's ancient history in forum time.

ctmwm, what can I say? I was basically a forum virgin when I joined MOS. I still can't figure out instant messaging! :D I will try to remember that internet forums are not that important in the grand scheme of the universe.

I'm glad you're staying, Kong. I don't post frequently, but I do enjoy reading your messages and some others' messages. I'm personally a supporter of FR, and if people don't believe in it, that's fine.

However, what really did bother me was how swank jumped in when you were talking about how you were getting closer to your wife and FR was helping the relationship. It was inappropriate to do what he did in that post - not because swank isn't entitled to his own opinion, but because it was the wrong time and place.

Just save the debating for topics designated as such, that way it will be less of a problem.

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shithead, I can't call you out because you're right about everything. I guess I am insecure about my weight and no one else cares. Shrug. Oh well. I can't help being overly sensitive about it and you can't help not caring!

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i said noone cares about your weight, i never said noone cares about your insecurity issues.