Dating or Getting into a relationship with a EXOTIC DANCER?

@Jackxxx

Man your story sounds allot like mine and many of the talents I've met. I never performed in �naked people movies� I just produced it and built some really big businesses off of it.

I grew up a poor kid in Massachusetts (use to pump Bill Coby's Gas). I was in the health thing big time as well, was a vegan for a while then started eating fish for more protein when I got sick with cirrhosis later in life. I never really had much interest in women because I focused on my passions in life (music and art).

I'm one of those kids that found the dirty playboy page folded up in in the woods under a rock and saw what a naked girl with a huge bush looks like lol.

I met someone from NY that gave me the opportunity to move out there and stay with them to run a studio. It was a dream come true. Fast forward, I met all the right people and ended up living in NY for 17 years. I shot allot of music videos for many big artists ranging from Phil Collins to Wu Tang Clan. I also had a successful record company and put out many hip hop artists from Eminem to Jay-Z in the 90's.

When everything went digital, the music industry died, bootleggers couldn't even make money on the streets anymore because of downloads of Movies and Music.

I had an opportunity to move to FL and work with a big artist out there (Ricky Martin) after a while that shit died. I started loading Apple computers with Final Cut Pro and various expensive video editing software and selling them for big profits on eBay. One of the people that bought a computer from me was local, so he came to my house to pick it up. We became friends and started a �naked people movies� Company. We shot many many scenes for everyone and started some big gonzo sites. Next thing I new I was managing 40 women and a few studs (biggest nightmare of my life). We had shit locked down in the �naked people movies� game and was making ridiculous money. Then.............................Cameras and Editing became cheap, talent started shooting, and it eliminated allot of middle men.................�naked people movies� became Free.

Throughout my life in �naked people movies�, I've never trusted anyone period. Too many pimps, dirty shit, bad people, gold diggers, druggies, etc.

I was like you, I thought women needed to fuck 5 times a day and I was completely wrong. It caused many issues with me and my current wife because I thought fucking her once or twice a day wasn't enough for her.

Side Note: Most men think women dance because they cant get enough dick or something, and that is not the case. Most dancers I met in the industry did it for bills and attention. My lady loves the attention and thats why we work so well. In �naked people movies�, many men think these �naked people movies� actresses want big dicks in every scene they shoot when It is the complete opposite. We always had to pay more money for women to shoot with big dick studs and finding fresh talent to shoot with them was harder.

My wife was very mentally fucked up from dancing and being racially abused every night by racist drunks telling her they would tie her up and kill her black ass if they met her outside the club. Black men were always being way over aggressive with her, etc. She fell into the prostitution game and moved to Cali for a month but she was not making money for the pimp (she is very lazy). He wanted white girls as they make more money and he was just trying to do her a favor (they went to school together) so he set her free. She came back to Florida and danced again.

After we met in the club, two weeks later she gave up her apartment, dog, car, and everything that made her independent all for me. This shit doesn't happen, you and I both know that. I didn't understand it and I questioned it for a long time. What is her motive? Of course it had to be money, so I took it all with a grain of salt and figured I have some good eye candy but I was wrong about everything.

I use to try to catch her watching �naked people movies� behind my back for the first couple years or find anything dirty on her she might of been hiding from me but there was nothing. No �naked people movies�, No side dudes, I had her phone rigged and tracked everything with all the spy shit on it and nothing. Then again I was like well maybe she is just with me because of money but back then she was bringing home $2k a night just dancing. She was not sexually active at home, however in the club , she was a beast.

She was complete lame southern honest girl with the best heart and soul I've ever met. She was super loyal and honest and I was a bit insecure in the beginning because she was incredibly beautiful and could she have any man with any amount of money (Owen Wilson was a regular customer of hers) but she chose me. In fact, she was talking to a big ball player from Miami Heat when we met, so I still had no clue why the fuck she wanted me.

Years go by and I still ask her here and there, why me? and she said I just said all the right things all the time. I guess I learned allot about women throughout my industry life and I've always had a very good talking game and confidence, women love confidence, loyalty and security more than dick. It even turns her on knowing she has a man at home that is good with her dancing and not being insecure about it. Shit she still dances today when she wants to make side money or do something different and I'm good with it as long as it is no fucking. When I met her she was doing full nude so it really doesn't bother me that she does topless now. We separated for two years and she got into a serious relationship and I did too and we both were both totally lost without each other. At the end of the day, we explored other options and realized we have something more than what anyone else can give us.

I'm really proud of her and don't mind the world seeing her beauty.

Walking too far into the Dark...

I think that this top is a real topic and its that question that we all have in our head that we don't always have the confidence to ask or talk about. I stood on this question for a few weeks because I was worried about the judgment I could or would receive, because we are judgmental and opinionated people. The stories that are being told are real experiences, and life lessons and hard ships that people want to know. People can judge but its hard to put yourself into a situation that is life altering.

@Jackxxx, I give the male strippers allot of props. You guys really put on a good show for the audience with the routines and outfits, shit is really planned out well. That was something female dancers lacked. They always leave no room for imagination. It was like you said, they come out pretty much fully nude or a T-bar on.

I was the kind of dude that rather tip and chill with a girl with something sexy on in a club instead of her being fully nude. It was something about fantasizing whats underneath that turned me on.

We know women are mental and men are physical. So a woman wants the whole story and guys just want to see the pussy. It's like skip through the pickup scene right into the fuck scene for dude. Where women want to watch the whole movie.

This past halloween, my wife was dancing for a bit. The club has lame dancers that all wear beach wear all the time. I told her she should try to change it up a bit and go on stage with a themed outfit like a sexy school girl, teacher or leather, lace and chains biker outfit, she thought It was really corny and it is kind of corny to me but I knew it would make her stand out. We went shopping to a halloween store I picked out some bad ass outfits for her and that night she banked big time.

Were there any veteran �naked people movies� stars or male strippers you looked up to when you were coming up in the game? Like my wife use to look up to Tip Drill in Miami because she was the queen of the pole at KOD.

Tornadocock said:

I think that this top is a real topic and its that question that we all have in our head that we don't always have the confidence to ask or talk about. I stood on this question for a few weeks because I was worried about the judgment I could or would receive, because we are judgmental and opinionated people. The stories that are being told are real experiences, and life lessons and hard ships that people want to know. People can judge but its hard to put yourself into a situation that is life altering.

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Indeed this is real my brother. Men come in here acting like they were in the �naked people movies� industry and most of them are full of shit. The knowledge here is real and the facts check out. I love topics like this because it gives us a chance to share world experiences with thousands of inquiring minds around the world.

I watched my first �naked people movies� tape on VHS with @DLD. DLD was into The Adventures of Buttman by John Stagliano back in the 80's and he took me with him to some small bookstore with a creepy old dude selling VHS tapes in the back :D those were the days. DLD had some bad ass model women when I met him, he was a true rockstar back then.

Lightning said:

@Jackxxx, I give the male strippers allot of props. You guys really put on a good show for the audience with the routines and outfits, shit is really planned out well. That was something female dancers lacked. They always leave no room for imagination. It was like you said, they come out pretty much fully nude or a T-bar on.

I was the kind of dude that rather tip and chill with a girl with something sexy on in a club instead of her being fully nude. It was something about fantasizing whats underneath that turned me on.

We know women are mental and men are physical. So a woman wants the whole story and guys just want to see the pussy. It's like skip through the pickup scene right into the fuck scene for dude. Where women want to watch the whole movie.

This past halloween, my wife was dancing for a bit. The club has lame dancers that all wear beach wear all the time. I told her she should try to change it up a bit and go on stage with a themed outfit like a sexy school girl, teacher or leather, lace and chains biker outfit, she thought It was really corny and it is kind of corny to me but I knew it would make her stand out. We went shopping to a halloween store I picked out some bad ass outfits for her and that night she banked big time.

Were there any veteran �naked people movies� stars or male strippers you looked up to when you were coming up in the game? Like my wife use to look up to Tip Drill in Miami because she was the queen of the pole at KOD.

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As far as �naked people movies� hell yeah I always admired Peter North. Without his gay beginning though lol. To each his own, I have a lot of gay friends, great people, but thats not for me. But in the case of straight Peter North, he was like the "complete" package (pun intended) He was in great shape, biblical cumshot, perfect cock size for �naked people movies�, etc. One of my dreams was to do a North Pole series with him but didn't get the chance.

As far as stripping, yes is a whole different world with male strippers. Labare does not do full nudity, full male nudity is not allowed in Broward county but even if it was, they wanna keep it this way. It is more like an entertaining/sexy performance rather than something dirty or sexual. I am like you when it comes to girls. I dont even do dances with them, although I love lap dances, but I prefer to stay at the bar with a gorgeous girl in my lap, enjoying a drink, talking about life, with nice music, etc. If anything table dances are better in my opinion.

I just got in touch yesterday with one of my friends from Labare. We are planning a one night reunion with all the old school guys lol. That is going to be epic and so much fun!! Kinda an old school performance versus new generation performance on stage.

I have NEVER shared pics like this on a forum, I have always kept my real life very private, but since it has been years already, I am sharing some good times.

First pic is with Sara Jay circa 2012 AD shooting for her site.

Second pic is at Labare back stage before going on stage LOL.

Pictures, we got a lot of pictures ?

@Jackxxx, awesome pictures! Yeah I've never been to a fully nude male strip club, (been to LaBares in Miami and Ft Laud) that's why I wondered about them wearing strap ons since the dongs were never exposed.

I think a big misconception is allot of men think male strippers are gay because allot of female strippers are lesbians.

Peter North is probably one of the most mentioned names around here. Many men use him as a reference point. He has been in the game along time.

A big problem with many men is they think they need a 10" dick to please a lady when most women don't care. If a man can mentally fuck a women, that is pretty much the winner.


You're a good looking dude and you have a big package already and I'm pretty sure you fuck the shit out of women like they never been fucked before due to being a performer, why do you seek to get bigger?

You fucked 100s of women already, what has been the issue with your size? Are you relly trying to get to the __________ status?

I'm enjoying this, and will need to re-read it all.

100% concur, this is a most excellent thread.
Tornadocock did great getting this all started.... hey, Tornadocock - updates on your situation?

I appreciate the honesty for the guys in here that worked in the adult industry. Its respectfully done how you have come across on here, usually when reading this stuff anywhere else, it can come across as trashy, disrespectful towards women at times, but, in this thread I feel it has been a very educational experience.

@Lightning Well, Labare is THE ONLY straight for ladies only club in south FL. Theres probably around 5 other male strip clubs here but theyre all gay. Not necessarily the guys are gay, some say they do it only for the money (something I couldnt do) But Labare is straight, no nudity.

You are correct, nobody needs a 10" to please a woman. There are a lot freaks out there who would love to be raped by a 10 inch, but no woman would be able to live with one that size and have 10 inches of meat all the way up to her stomach every time.

In fact I used to tell the guys at Labare about the disservice that �naked people movies� has done to the people. DICKS IN �naked people movies� ARE NOT AVERAGE, NOR NORMAL. Dicks in �naked people movies� are WAY over average, and a tiny amount of the population has a dick that is 8 inches or bigger. The average size is around 5-5.5 inches and anybody in that category is NORMAL and can perfectly please any woman. My flaccid is around 6-7 inches. So at Labare my pouch hanging low there was the most noticeable, and of course different from the rest because mine was natural, the others are stuffed. Many girls asked me if it was real and I showed it to them or let them touch to prove it. My problem is that Im a shower, not a grower. Although my flaccid is that size, I WOULD LOVE to grow ups to 10-12 inches but I dont. My effected length is around 8.75-9 depending on the pressure on the bone.

As far as why do I want to get bigger? It is an interesting psychological phenomenon worthy of medical study LOL.

I was around 16, and every time I used to watch �naked people movies� I used to think to myself "my cock is that same size or bigger, I could perfectly do �naked people movies� and fuck all those hot girls" Joking around, one time I said to my friends "you know what, some day I will move to California and do �naked people movies� and fuck all those bitches" without even knowing that some day in the far future I would do �naked people movies�. It was never my intention in life, never my plans. When I got married, I thought it was going to be for the rest of my life.

However, even though judging by �naked people movies� I knew I wss over average, some BIZARRE instinct inside me was pushing me to the idea of having a bigger cock. I knew there HAD to be a way to make it grow. Something ws telling me that the penis could be exercised just like other parts of the body.

We are now in 1997-1998 when the internet was still in primitive stages. I started searching ways to exercise the penis. I found some ads that would show Burt Reynolds makes hanging a rope with a stone from his cock and that add claim to have an ancient secret of hanging to stretch the penis.

Later in those days, I hacked a �naked people movies� website and downloaded a txt file with exercise instructions. It talked about an ancient knowledge from the middle east and Africa and explained the art of Milking, Stretching, Bending and hanging. And I started doing it.

I tied a coax cable to my cock and a 10 pound dumbbell at the end and started hanging for hours in my bedroom. Started milking and stretching too. Not too disciplined, but enough here and there. And that was the beginning of my PE life.

I know I have enough size, but Ive always wanted rot be bigger and I still want to be bigger. Cant really explain why. I guess is some sort of personal achievement? Not sure...

It does has to me some influence though the fact that The Gods were bigger than us. For some time I started worshipping my Lord Priapus, and asked for guidance and help.

I have been for years researching with passion the chemical PE with some results to this day, but is not what Im really looking for,

@Jackxxx, The times I went to LaBare in Ft Laud they made me buy a bottle just to get in. I guess guys can't get in there normally. I really didn't want to go in the first place but my ex use to go to tootsies with me and I wanted to return the favor.

I also went to LaBares in Miami because they had the men dancers on one side and women dancers on the other. So I would go there with my ex and let her get her fantasies on while I chilled on the other side.

I'm exactly like you when i went to strip clubs, i never went in the back rooms for lap dances I preferred table dances for $10 and allot of girls would just hang with me and my boy at scars just to eat the cheese platter ? because money was slow. The only time I went in a room was to Fuck at Tootsies or Pink Pony

Allot of times dancers would come over nude and I would ask them to put their outfit back on if they were gonna chill with me.

I know the owners at KOD and they would bring out $10k in bricks and have me make it rain on certain entertainers to start the rain frenzy there. I had so much pull there that even DLD went with me one night and poured a shitload of weed out on our table and was rolling blunts all night while security stood by our side.

The funny shit is later on after I met my wife, I brought her to KOD as well and previously her and her friends got kicked out for smoking by the same bouncer that ended up getting her weed when I took her there. He even rolled the blunt for her. That shit turned her the fuck on.

@Lightning LOL

Yeah at Labare guys can't get in. Only way to get in is to have a female companion and pay for VIP seating which is the bottle. Just the bottle is not enough for a guy, he has to have a female companion. If they didn't do that would be heaven for gays

I ALWAYS wanted to go to KOD. Never went. I still hope to see it someday.

Just like you, the few times I have paid for lap dance room is too fuck. Specially at Porthole, Those Jamaican girls with athletic bodies, pretty face, dark perfect skin, small waist round booty is my uber weakness. I just wanna burry my face in that ass and stick my tongue in, then sit her on my cock. And Ive done it exactly that way LOL I know Im nasty but when I get hungry I cant resist.

Jackxxx said:

@Lightning :D

Yeah at Labare guys can't get in. Only way to get in is to have a female companion and pay for VIP seating which is the bottle. Just the bottle is not enough for a guy, he has to have a female companion. If they didn't do that would be heaven for gays

I ALWAYS wanted to go to KOD. Never went. I still hope to see it someday.

Just like you, the few times I have paid for lap dance room is too fuck. Specially at Porthole, Those Jamaican girls with athletic bodies, pretty face, dark perfect skin, small waist round booty is my uber weakness. I just wanna burry my face in that ass and stick my tongue in, then sit her on my cock. And Ive done it exactly that way :D I know Im nasty but when I get hungry I cant resist.

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Funny thing is I always though KOD was a white club because the Billboard off 95 only advertised white blondes lol. I found out it was a black club after I went to Majic City in ATL. It took me two days trying to find how to get to KOD from 95 even though it's clearly off 95 and I drove by it everyday.

I never was into strip clubs or partying even, never did drugs, smoked weed, drank beer until I hit 40 and then I went ape shit. Even when i was shooting �naked people movies�, I had no interest in strip clubs and honestly I looked at women as money. I could of been a crazy pimp and many people thought I was because all the random women I was with but I always lived a legal life.

When the �naked people movies� game started dying, we use to travel to Paraguay to shoot because women shot scenes for $50. The quality of women were horrible. This was around the time I used to work with Ramon from Monsters of Cock.

The �naked people movies� scene fucked up my perception of women and even till today, still not much turns me on except Jasmine Byrnes fat Latin camel toe lol.

I really have no more interest in strip clubs, it was a phase and its gone. Even my wife wants to occasionally check out strip clubs here and there and I'm like nah, shit is wack. Even when she works, I have no interest in stopping by.

In order to not highjack the thread and to help OP with his situation, I can tell you from personal experience as a stripper that we men and women strippers are not too different. We become masters to hustle. We will make you fall in love and give us everything. Thats our job. It takes a very patient strategic job on your part to determine the intentions.

If it became practice to only see her at the club and spend money on her, thats a bad symptom. If you find out and she notice you walking away, she will give you the chance to meet her outside one day for a coffee or something at which point she will use all her power to make you fall in love again and become hypnotized to go back to the club and spend money on her. It will make you feel like "her daddy".....like "im the one who takes care of her, Im so proud of myself" She will flirt with you at the club and make you feel like "you're the one".....like "he look Im here making money from other guys, giving dances, but you're my daddy right there" and in reciprocity you will keep spending money on her and coming back to the club.

One thing you can do in order to even out the situation, and this will really piss her off, is hang out with different girls. Now this is tricky: She will get pissed because of two different possibilities. 1. She se that she's losing that money to another one or 2. She has feelings for you and she's jealous. Therefore, hang out with another one, spend money with the other one, but dont let her see that youre spending money with the other one. So if she comes to you to confront you, just be like "baby Im not even spending money with that girl, were just talking, hanging out. Eventually SHE WILL find out in the back if you were spending money wirth her or not, but hey, this is a game. The best player win. You HAVE to play hard with her in order to find out her true intentions.

If she's the one looking for you, trying to meet with you, spend time with you, trusting you her secrets, then those are good signs. If the tries to keep her stripper world completely away and separated from you, thats another good sign.

There as a book, a masterpiece of business that apply to many situations in life called "The art of the deal" written by the 45th President of The United States Donald J. Trump. That book will enlighten you not only for work and business but in many areas of interaction with society and how to manipulate humans to win.

I had girls taking me on vacation to expensive hotels, taking me shopping, dining, then making it rain on me on the stage. And on top of that I fucked the shit out of them. Its all games. Dirty games.

Been there done that lol I was a big time rookie trick in the beginning and thought I had all these strippers on lock down. I wined and dined with many but the bad thing is that when they went out with me, I stopped going to the club and they lost that club money.

My first big splurge ever was at Cheetahs Pompano. There was this incredible beautiful Egyptian girl with huge natural tits and I was sold. I have pictures of her and I will post tomorrow.

I went to the club and made it rain on her with $1k during one of her stage sets, after that she was mine or so I thought. That's something that never happens in cheetahs (mostly working class John's there) and every woman had there eyes on me and management treated me like royalty.

We went out to eat every day and eventually I stopped going to the club but still went out with her. Come to find out she was a big whore and I never attempted to fuck her. I just went out with her everywhere because she was eye candy. She eventually moved to NY and I never heard from her again.

I think that was a big mistake for many dancers is taking it outside the club with me. Because yeah they might go out and eat and go shopping to give you the "girlfriend experience" but nobody was special to me because I eventually realized it was all a hustle.