Belated hello

Hi everyone,

Thought it was time I said hello. I joined MOS at the start of the year, and have been spending time reading when I can.

I've known about all this stuff for maybe 15 years, originally I was on PEgym (I believe now renamed Biohacker?). So I've done a lot of reading in my time, trialled a few techniques, own some kit, but never fully committed to it. It was probably a good thing in reality because back then I was quite depressed and unhappy with myself generally, and approaching this would have been from a place of desperation. Now I'm coming from a place of it being an added bonus if I can make it work!

That, and I am living alone for the first time ever, so a good time to do it.

I have so many questions... one thing not discussed on the other forum was SRT, and this makes so much sense to me!

My stats are 6.5 BPEL and 4.75MEG (this can be lower woth poor EQ though). My biggest aim is girth a steady 5" or 5.25", but would happily take myself to 7" length. Just read somewhere to aim a bit past in case you stop so let's say 7.5 x 5.5.

I own a Bathmate, and used to have a phallosan forte but binned it when I moved house a while back as I didn't feel it worked well.

Not sure if I should put my questions here, but a couple of starting ones would be:

1. Is the Silistretcher any better than the phallosan? Otherwise, maybe just the Silisleeve would be a better approach for me?

2. From my years on the other forum, the biggest thing that held me back was watching out for positive indicators, such as morning wood. The moment I started any routine, straight away morning wood would go. Is this still the theory? I find a lot of these routines to be quite intense! That leads me on to...

3. If I was doing a girth routine, say 5x5x3, I would really struggle to get past 1 set of squash jelqs and 5 minutes in the bath mate... beyond that I'm so fatigued that getting hard gets tricky. I wouldn't say I have ED, I often get complimented on how rock hard I can get during sex, and erections are never a problem during sex.

4. On a similar note, back to SRT, going into a cock ring after girth workouts, are we trying to stay almost hard for a prolonged period after? I won't stay hard that long and will need to keep stimulating myself continually, which I don't have the time for.

My main issue with all of PE is the time it takes, and I don't want this to be a lifetime pursuit. I want to achieve my goals and then get to some sort of maintenance routine. That said, I am willing to put a few years into it, I'm not expecting insta-results (although some early girth gains would be great!)

Be great to hear from some of you, and look forward to seeing you all around.

By the way, I'm from the UK... if I think I need it, I would totally buy the whole PE pack on offer, do they ship to the UK?

Olza said:

Hi everyone,

Thought it was time I said hello. I joined MOS at the start of the year, and have been spending time reading when I can.

I've known about all this stuff for maybe 15 years, originally I was on PEgym (I believe now renamed Biohacker?). So I've done a lot of reading in my time, trialled a few techniques, own some kit, but never fully committed to it. It was probably a good thing in reality because back then I was quite depressed and unhappy with myself generally, and approaching this would have been from a place of desperation. Now I'm coming from a place of it being an added bonus if I can make it work!

That, and I am living alone for the first time ever, so a good time to do it.

I have so many questions... one thing not discussed on the other forum was SRT, and this makes so much sense to me!

My stats are 6.5 BPEL and 4.75MEG (this can be lower woth poor EQ though). My biggest aim is girth a steady 5" or 5.25", but would happily take myself to 7" length. Just read somewhere to aim a bit past in case you stop so let's say 7.5 x 5.5.

I own a Bathmate, and used to have a phallosan forte but binned it when I moved house a while back as I didn't feel it worked well.

Not sure if I should put my questions here, but a couple of starting ones would be:

1. Is the Silistretcher any better than the phallosan? Otherwise, maybe just the Silisleeve would be a better approach for me?

2. From my years on the other forum, the biggest thing that held me back was watching out for positive indicators, such as morning wood. The moment I started any routine, straight away morning wood would go. Is this still the theory? I find a lot of these routines to be quite intense! That leads me on to...

3. If I was doing a girth routine, say 5x5x3, I would really struggle to get past 1 set of squash jelqs and 5 minutes in the bath mate... beyond that I'm so fatigued that getting hard gets tricky. I wouldn't say I have ED, I often get complimented on how rock hard I can get during sex, and erections are never a problem during sex.

4. On a similar note, back to SRT, going into a cock ring after girth workouts, are we trying to stay almost hard for a prolonged period after? I won't stay hard that long and will need to keep stimulating myself continually, which I don't have the time for.

My main issue with all of PE is the time it takes, and I don't want this to be a lifetime pursuit. I want to achieve my goals and then get to some sort of maintenance routine. That said, I am willing to put a few years into it, I'm not expecting insta-results (although some early girth gains would be great!)

Be great to hear from some of you, and look forward to seeing you all around.

By the way, I'm from the UK... if I think I need it, I would totally buy the whole PE pack on offer, do they ship to the UK?

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Welcome to the brotherhood! The SiliStretcher is the best out there. The Phallosan can't compare.

Erections in the morning have nothing to do with you growth. It usually means, you like me and never got them, or you are suffering from fatigue. The best indicator is measurements.

You can adjust the 5x5x3 to be 2x2x3 or any other method that works for you and then work you way up as you can.

Wearing a cock ring is not to remain erect but to keep the expansion you gained during the work out.

That is exactly what you want. Make your goal and maintain it through a simple workout once per week.

I hope this helps

DLD said:

Welcome to the brotherhood! The SiliStretcher is the best out there. The Phallosan can't compare.

Erections in the morning have nothing to do with you growth. It usually means, you like me and never got them, or you are suffering from fatigue. The best indicator is measurements.

You can adjust the 5x5x3 to be 2x2x3 or any other method that works for you and then work you way up as you can.

Wearing a cock ring is not to remain erect but to keep the expansion you gained during the work out.

That is exactly what you want. Make your goal and maintain it through a simple workout once per week.

I hope this helps

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Does MOS Shop ship to the UK though?

DLD said:

Welcome to the brotherhood! The SiliStretcher is the best out there. The Phallosan can't compare.

Erections in the morning have nothing to do with you growth. It usually means, you like me and never got them, or you are suffering from fatigue. The best indicator is measurements.

You can adjust the 5x5x3 to be 2x2x3 or any other method that works for you and then work you way up as you can.

Wearing a cock ring is not to remain erect but to keep the expansion you gained during the work out.

That is exactly what you want. Make your goal and maintain it through a simple workout once per week.

I hope this helps

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Thats very helpful, thank you. I can be the sort of person that wants to know everything before I start, but sometimes the best thing to do is get going and work it out as you go. I'll get a spreadsheet set up to track what I'm doing.

I've read conflcting advice on whether to start with length or girth. I've seen you say start with length, and others say do girth and it will remain when you get to length. I've just started a health kick, so I'm expecting to see an extra 0.5inch based on reduced fat pad, which I remember happening before too. What are your thoughts these days? Maybe both? I don't think I'd want more length without girth to he honest.

I think I'd be fairly happy to start manually (at least for length) and see where I get to, but need a way to heal extended after stretching. Have to say the extenders are quite a faff, what's the next best choice, a sleeve or some of these wraps I've seen?

Also, I've seen people talking about adapting the bathmate with a gauge... is there no way of working out the pressure you're using without one?

First off, welcome brother. Sorry for not able to greet you sooner. I was on top palm trees doing trimming as part of my arborculturing hobby and couldn't type things out in details. don't like to break my phone from 30 feet above.

Olza said:

I have so many questions... one thing not discussed on the other forum was SRT, and this makes so much sense to me!

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SRT is literally a proven theory. Back then DLD coined it as a theory, but over the decade, the theory now is proven. Other forums uses different methods, but all the methods came down to the same procedures to break down collagen bonds (breaking tissues), initiate healing and duplication of cellular bodies, and maintain micro gaps from elongation and expansion as long as you can for your body to catch up in filling those micro gaps. Collective sciences are now providing insights at the biochemical and cellular levels.

Olza said:

My stats are 6.5 BPEL and 4.75MEG (this can be lower woth poor EQ though). My biggest aim is girth a steady 5" or 5.25", but would happily take myself to 7" length. Just read somewhere to aim a bit past in case you stop so let's say 7.5 x 5.5.

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Don't worry brother. PE is a life long journey and your EQ will improve with proper techniques. Don't be desperate when you see gains and go crazy without first conditioning your penis for growth. One step at a time. Think of yourself as a baby in the PE journey. First learn turn, then sit up, to crawl, stand, walk, then climb a mountain. The moto here is, "It's a marathon and not a sprint."

Your aim at girth to between 5in to 5.25 (where I was around December when I started back up again) will keep on going towards 6in and 6.5in. I thought in stopping at 6in or 6.3in, but the wife is licking her lips for the 6.5in after seeing my 11inx2.5in cylinder. She was happy to see the 9inx2in cylinder, but did a double take with a huge smile when she saw something larger. Your PE journey will continue on in the future.

Olza said:

I own a Bathmate, and used to have a phallosan forte but binned it when I moved house a while back as I didn't feel it worked well.

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Which model of the Bathmate? If you have the one that can use a hand pump, or upgrade to the hand pump (aftermarket purchases of the manual pump), mod it with a gauge. We have the mod techniques here in the forum.

Olza said:

Not sure if I should put my questions here, but a couple of starting ones would be:

1. Is the Silistretcher any better than the phallosan? Otherwise, maybe just the Silisleeve would be a better approach for me?

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Either one is good. Phallosan has plenty of the extras for you to use, BUT, you will spend quite a bit of money to replace the comfort rings that goes onto the penis and attaches to the vacuum cap. Both have good and bad points. I can list them out in a novel-like report. But overall, SiliStretcher comes out on top by a small margin. We can discuss the positive and negative in a lengthier discussion later if you like. I believe there have been quite a few discussions on this already if you do your search.

Olza said:

2. From my years on the other forum, the biggest thing that held me back was watching out for positive indicators, such as morning wood. The moment I started any routine, straight away morning wood would go. Is this still the theory? I find a lot of these routines to be quite intense! That leads me on to...

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No. Morning wood is not an indicator of growth. It's an indicator of your body "reprogramming" to provide optimal growth conditions for your PE. Your penis don't get the needed resources for maintenance and growth naturally. After your prime years, your penis is placed last on the list for everything. Your pelvic hair gets more attention than your penis on a daily basis. This is not a pun, but it's the truth. Your growth is actually measured by your flaccid state from the longer hang. This is due to the amount of new tissue growth that reinforced your overall penile elongation. Your tissues will be 80% to 85% of your entire penile enlargement, while the 15% to 20% will be new blood volume from the expanded corpa cavernosa and spongiosum.

Olza said:

3. If I was doing a girth routine, say 5x5x3, I would really struggle to get past 1 set of squash jelqs and 5 minutes in the bath mate... beyond that I'm so fatigued that getting hard gets tricky. I wouldn't say I have ED, I often get complimented on how rock hard I can get during sex, and erections are never a problem during sex.

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Erection quality (EQ) will take a bit hit as a starter in the journey. Even after decades of PE, I still get a bit hit of EQ drop here and there. You're not alone. EQ hit is due to penile fatigue. No penis out there will maintain 100% EQ after a real 5x5x3 intensive routine. If you want sex after the routine, you can modify it using 5x5x3 as a standard approach, and reduce to 2x2x2, or 3x2x2, or even 2x2x5. There are many personal 5x5x3 routines for your various needs. 5x5x3 is simply an optimal routine to use, but do modify it for each personal needs. Not everyone is the same. Right now, I'm doing a weekly tweak of 3x3x10 to 3x5x15, and later, back down to 4x5x5. Why oddball routines? To constantly reprogram the brain and penis from any long term adapting while I achieve optimal growth for both length and girth at the same time. I'm my own test subject.

Olza said:

4. On a similar note, back to SRT, going into a cock ring after girth workouts, are we trying to stay almost hard for a prolonged period after? I won't stay hard that long and will need to keep stimulating myself continually, which I don't have the time for.

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No. You do not need to stay hard for the prolong period. The trick it to get an erection to pump blood in to achieve 100% erected blood volume. Some got confused about this. It's about getting your blood volume to fill up as much as possible into the penis to crank those micro gaps wide open while the penis is grabbing all the resources it can from the blood. But do not trap that blood for too long. Optimally, 5 minutes max. If you can't 10 minutes max. After 10 minutes, empty the blood by squeezing the blood out of the penis. No need to take the C-ring off. Then repump the blood back to full erected volume. No need to remain erected for all that time. Just the blood volume.

HOWEVER, do be warned that wearing a constrictive ring can truly hurt you. Constriction is when blood is being held inside the penis for more than 5 minutes. A good C-ring use in a restrictive method allows the blood to leave the penis back to a full flaccid state by itself in 5 minutes without the initial erection and kegel exercises. If the C-ring holds onto the blood more than 5 minutes, that's constriction. Too tight of a constriction can and will damage your dorsal nerves and blood vessels. Worst yet, deep vein thrombosis can occur that may cause systematic wide failures. We have lots of warnings for this in this brotherhood.

Olza said:

My main issue with all of PE is the time it takes, and I don't want this to be a lifetime pursuit. I want to achieve my goals and then get to some sort of maintenance routine. That said, I am willing to put a few years into it, I'm not expecting insta-results (although some early girth gains would be great!)

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PE is a lifetime pursuit. This includes maintenance. PE has two stages: growth and maintenance. Maintenance is a lifetime. You don't maintain, you'll loose it little by little. Your body will divert the resources from the last item on its list elsewhere. The saying, "If you don't use it, you'll lose it" rings true for both the penis and vagina.

Olza said:

By the way, I'm from the UK... if I think I need it, I would totally buy the whole PE pack on offer, do they ship to the UK?

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I know a few brothers from the UK, greater parts of Europe, and to the very remote parts as well. They receive the packages from MOS, but the delivery time can get LONG. Up to a month. Work with MOS Shop and DLD for quicker delivery methods.

Thank you oldandlively for such a detailed reply!

If only I knew how to quote in sections like you have done, maybe not so easy on the phone?

Frankly, 6 inches in girth, or even 6.5 seems ridiculously thick!... and I quite like my blow jobs! You never know though, maybe I'll meet a partner who's into me getting bigger like yours!

I've got the Hydromax X30. I think like you say, less is more to start so maybe its a good idea I start slow with manual techniques, plus the bathmate and see if I can build up the consistency and a routine. This really must be the tough part! Not sure how long it will be before seeing any results, and to keep yanking on your pride and joy daily without seeing the fruits of your labour must be tough sometimes.

A lot.of what you have said is reassuring... I find with my cock ring I will go to a "chubby flacid" within minutes and was worried this wasn't having the desired effect. Feel like I need a Silisleeve for stretching though still. If you said the silistretcher isn't street's ahead of the phallosan I may steer clear, unless I decide to get the full package with

Olza said:

If only I knew how to quote in sections like you have done, maybe not so easy on the phone?

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Simply hit Reply button down at the bottom right of the post, and press Enter/Rerun button on the keyboard and you'll split the text up just like I have. All done on phone's browser.

Olza said:

Frankly, 6 inches in girth, or even 6.5 seems ridiculously thick!... and I quite like my blow jobs! You never know though, maybe I'll meet a partner who's into me getting bigger like yours!

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Here here to that. Wife can barely do her BJ now without popping her jaw wide open. But the BJ for the glans is enough. The fun just get started then.

Olza said:

I've got the Hydromax X30. I think like you say, less is more to start so maybe its a good idea I start slow with manual techniques, plus the bathmate and see if I can build up the consistency and a routine. This really must be the tough part! Not sure how long it will be before seeing any results, and to keep yanking on your pride and joy daily without seeing the fruits of your labour must be tough sometimes.

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HydroMax x30 can be modded either by using a silicone tubing with a wine pump, or, you can mod it with an aftermarket manual pump for cleaner design. A gauge is a must:

Olza said:

A lot.of what you have said is reassuring... I find with my cock ring I will go to a "chubby flacid" within minutes and was worried this wasn't having the desired effect. Feel like I need a Silisleeve for stretching though still. If you said the silistretcher isn't street's ahead of the phallosan I may steer clear, unless I decide to get the full package with

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This is definitely your call. SiliStretcher has more potential to play with than the Phallosan. Phallosan got too many built in functions that restricted the potential to max out the mods.

Haursen said:

Does MOS Shop ship to the UK though?

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Yes we ship worldwide 🌐

oldandlively said:

Simply hit Reply button down at the bottom right of the post, and press Enter/Rerun button on the keyboard and you'll split the text up just like I have. All done on phone's browser.

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Testing.... oooo

oldandlively said:

Here here to that. Wife can barely do her BJ now without popping her jaw wide open. But the BJ for the glans is enough. The fun just get started then.

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Just love my bjs too much, although not getting many at thr moment!

oldandlively said:

HydroMax x30 can be modded either by using a silicone tubing with a wine pump, or, you can mod it with an aftermarket manual pump for cleaner design. A gauge is a must:

Equipment modification - Modification to Bathmate HydroXtreme 7 with a pressure gauge

This is to assist brothers who use Hydroxtreme 7 (also known as HydroExtreme). This is the common-size version and not the widebody, which comes with the additional manual bulb pump as a package. If you didn't purchase it as a package, you can purchase the bulb pump on the side for the...

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This seems a bit technical for me! Think I'd rather buy a MityVac... that way I have the option of doing it out of the shower too.

oldandlively said:

This is definitely your call. SiliStretcher has more potential to play with than the Phallosan. Phallosan got too many built in functions that restricted the potential to max out the mods.

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So, just been looking at these caps and sleeves for pumping... is that a necessity?

Olza said:

So, just been looking at these caps and sleeves for pumping... is that a necessity?

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Only if you think you need them as a starter to pumping. If you worry about fluid retention because you don't like to do the jelq to remove the fluid, sleeve is needed. If you want to remain elongated to work on flaccid length, sleeve is needed. If you worry about blisters because of uncertainty from pumping, cap is needed.

Otherwise, take it very slow and steady. Listen to all the comments and ask questions. Never stop asking questions before you start. Since you are not new to the pumping game, no need for the extras. But, do be careful as you start going high in pressure under the MityVac.

oldandlively said:

Only if you think you need them as a starter to pumping. If you worry about fluid retention because you don't like to do the jelq to remove the fluid, sleeve is needed. If you want to remain elongated to work on flaccid length, sleeve is needed. If you worry about blisters because of uncertainty from pumping, cap is needed.

Otherwise, take it very slow and steady. Listen to all the comments and ask questions. Never stop asking questions before you start. Since you are not new to the pumping game, no need for the extras. But, do be careful as you start going high in pressure under the MityVac.

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I've had the edema while pumping before, it didn't worry me too much.

Definitely to want the sleeves for SRT following doing stretches... it was more about the pumping that I was wondering about.

Thank you

Olza said:

I've had the edema while pumping before, it didn't worry me too much.

Definitely to want the sleeves for SRT following doing stretches... it was more about the pumping that I was wondering about.

Thank you

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SRT is the smartest way to go

DLD said:

SRT is the smartest way to go

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I can see its easy to keep wanting to do more and overdo it though. I just did a bit of a practice session with the bathmate last night after a few erect squeezes and SSJs and then wanted to keep myself hard all the way until bed, and then keep on wanting to get hard while sat at my desk working all morning today.

At what point do you just say, "now I just need to rest, recover and heal"?

Was just watching some of the FAQ videos as well. After how long of doing a routine with no results should you consider that maybe the intensity or technique is wrong? (of course I am not at the point yet but just looking ahead).

I guess that's the same as asking, how quickly should results come?... and what comes before proper gains? With length I seem to remember if BPFLS increases, then soon BPEL should increase. Is there a similar indicator with girth work?

Measure every six months to give you Time to grow. As far as time off you need to pay attention to erection quality. If you are feeling fatigue in this way you can take a day off.

DLD said:

Measure every six months to give you Time to grow. As far as time off you need to pay attention to erection quality. If you are feeling fatigue in this way you can take a day off.

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So you could be doing a routine for 6 months, and if you haven't got the intensity right, get no results and have wasted all that time.

I'm getting to the point where I think I have information overload, I just have a few more questions:

1. Should I bother starting with a stretching routine if I have no kit (yet) to keep it stretched afterwards, I.e. a sleeve or ADS? (I am planning to get some stuff from the shop, but could take a while)

2. Should you always see temporary gains after a workout, so should you have either stretched some extra length, or see extra girth after a pump?

3. Is infrared enough for a warm up? Like 5 mins? I used to use a rice sock I made, but then I was constantly trying to keep it away from my balls as people were saying to avoid heating them!

Slow down brother. Slow down. Take a sit, and take some deep breaths. Let's break things down a bit. DLD is a bit busy, and the rest of the brothers will chime in. I'm relaxing with my cup of oolong tea right now, so let's get some answers rolling.

Olza said:

So you could be doing a routine for 6 months, and if you haven't got the intensity right, get no results and have wasted all that time.

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You're not wasting time. If you don't get any significant gain because your intensity applications are off, you're actually in a limbo phase of programming and reprogramming your penis right now. During this limbo phase, you're actually conditioning your penis and preparing for a sudden growth. Let's say you don't have a gauge, or you've been using an ADS for awhile but not knowing the measured traction force. You've been hoovering between 3inHg and 4inHg in the pump and have not move up in the intensity, or you've been dangling your penis in the ADS between 1lbs to 3lbs, but not knowing what constant traction force because you've been moving around too much. You're stuck in a limbo. That's okay. You've been telling your brain and penis that changes are coming soon, and harshly.

Olza said:

I'm getting to the point where I think I have information overload, I just have a few more questions:

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We're all there. I'm still there. Imagine us brothers trying to answer your questions while absorbing answers and research info from all over the world, and in the span of decades. We're all overloaded.

Olza said:

1. Should I bother starting with a stretching routine if I have no kit (yet) to keep it stretched afterwards, I.e. a sleeve or ADS? (I am planning to get some stuff from the shop, but could take a while)

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Yes. Keep priming and conditioning your tissues. When the kit does come, you're ready to crank up the progressive intensities for true workout routines. It too me 2 to 4 months to contantly program and reprogram my penis, and now, BOOM, accellerated growth potential. What you see being stretched out and in the pumps are mere windows to the potential growth you are getting. Keep going consistently and apply the intensity over time, you get cemented gains. I'm now pre-stretched at 7.5in x 5.75in coming out from the Length Master and pump routines. Mind you that I was at around 6in x 5in around December of last year. Potential growth is accellerating even faster from here on out. Once I cannot reach this pre-stretch form any more, I will change my routines to push the pre-stretch even further. Keep your routine and condition going until the kit comes. Don't let up.

Olza said:

2. Should you always see temporary gains after a workout, so should you have either stretched some extra length, or see extra girth after a pump?

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Temporary gains can vary. Some day, you'll see huge temporary gains. Suddenly, you didn't get a chance to keep the temporary gain from turtling or having too many rest days, and the next routine day, you didn't see as drastic of a temporary gain, or none at at. Don't worry. Your body is trying to force itself back to normalcy. You just need to pry it wide open again to get that drastic temporary gain. It happens to me all the time. When I get a cut from something, bruise because of my mistakes, or getting too rough with the missus, well, that extreme pre-stretch temporary gain got back tracked a bit. No problem. I force the routines and got it back without any issues.

Olza said:

3. Is infrared enough for a warm up? Like 5 mins? I used to use a rice sock I made, but then I was constantly trying to keep it away from my balls as people were saying to avoid heating them!

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Yes, and no. 5 minutes of infrared is good, while warming up your external tissues, do a bit of light manual newbie stretching to warm up the tissues as well. If you worry about your sperms from getting warped and damaged and your kids come out like aliens, PFFFF, I got great looking kids coming out from the warming of my penis and balls from all the early years of PE using warm rice sock. Their looks are not from me. I crack mirrors. If you're planning to impregnate your lady, stop warming up your balls, ejaculate your loads for the next full week, and three days later, you'll have vibrant buggers ready to make great looking babies.

If you worry about warming your balls, flip your penis up towards your belly, and press the warm rice sock at the bottom of the penis against your bladder. The heat will not affect your balls.

oldandlively said:

Slow down brother. Slow down. Take a sit, and take some deep breaths. Let's break things down a bit. DLD is a bit busy, and the rest of the brothers will chime in. I'm relaxing with my cup of oolong tea right now, so let's get some answers rolling.

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Don't worry man, I'm not unchilled. There is a lot to read though, and I'm also studying outside of work, and trying to keep fit. Busy busy!

I wasn't specifically aiming my question at DLD. Happy to hear from anyone!

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You're not wasting time. If you don't get any significant gain because your intensity applications are off, you're actually in a limbo phase of programming and reprogramming your penis right now. During this limbo phase, you're actually conditioning your penis and preparing for a sudden growth. Let's say you don't have a gauge, or you've been using an ADS for awhile but not knowing the measured traction force. You've been hoovering between 3inHg and 4inHg in the pump and have not move up in the intensity, or you've been dangling your penis in the ADS between 1lbs to 3lbs, but not knowing what constant traction force because you've been moving around too much. You're stuck in a limbo. That's okay. You've been telling your brain and penis that changes are coming soon, and harshly.

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Ok, that's good to know and a good way to think of it.

oldandlively said:

We're all there. I'm still there. Imagine us brothers trying to answer your questions while absorbing answers and research info from all over the world, and in the span of decades. We're all overloaded.


Yes. Keep priming and conditioning your tissues. When the kit does come, you're ready to crank up the progressive intensities for true workout routines. It too me 2 to 4 months to contantly program and reprogram my penis, and now, BOOM, accellerated growth potential. What you see being stretched out and in the pumps are mere windows to the potential growth you are getting. Keep going consistently and apply the intensity over time, you get cemented gains. I'm now pre-stretched at 7.5in x 5.75in coming out from the Length Master and pump routines. Mind you that I was at around 6in x 5in around December of last year. Potential growth is accellerating even faster from here on out. Once I cannot reach this pre-stretch form any more, I will change my routines to push the pre-stretch even further. Keep your routine and condition going until the kit comes. Don't let up.

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so when you say pre-stretched, you mean after a workout... but that isnt permanent yet?

How long does it take for those gains to become, not cemented necessarily, but your actual gains that you can use for sex etc?

oldandlively said:

Temporary gains can vary. Some day, you'll see huge temporary gains. Suddenly, you didn't get a chance to keep the temporary gain from turtling or having too many rest days, and the next routine day, you didn't see as drastic of a temporary gain, or none at at. Don't worry. Your body is trying to force itself back to normalcy. You just need to pry it wide open again to get that drastic temporary gain. It happens to me all the time. When I get a cut from something, bruise because of my mistakes, or getting too rough with the missus, well, that extreme pre-stretch temporary gain got back tracked a bit. No problem. I force the routines and got it back without any issues.

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So it sounds like you really need to keep the momentum up. I was hoping maybe I'd be able to do the three days that I work from home, Mon, Weds, Friday... but, sounds like before long my dick won't let me do that! Lol

oldandlively said:

Yes, and no. 5 minutes of infrared is good, while warming up your external tissues, do a bit of light manual newbie stretching to warm up the tissues as well. If you worry about your sperms from getting warped and damaged and your kids come out like aliens, PFFFF, I got great looking kids coming out from the warming of my penis and balls from all the early years of PE using warm rice sock. Their looks are not from me. I crack mirrors. If you're planning to impregnate your lady, stop warming up your balls, ejaculate your loads for the next full week, and three days later, you'll have vibrant buggers ready to make great looking babies.

If you worry about warming your balls, flip your penis up towards your belly, and press the warm rice sock at the bottom of the penis against your bladder. The heat will not affect your balls.

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What are the newbie warm up stretches? Or are you suggesting a rice sock and IR, or IR and bundled stretches at the same time maybe?

Olza said:

Lso when you say pre-stretched, you mean after a workout... but that isnt permanent yet?

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Correct. Pre-stretched mean you're seeing the potential growth from the relaxed tissues with the ability to cement at that point. It's temporary visual gain that has the potential to be solid.

Olza said:

How long does it take for those gains to become, not cemented necessarily, but your actual gains that you can use for sex etc?

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You can see semi permanent gain with a couple of months. It's all about how consistent you keep at keeping ghe stretch to prevent the body from pulling back in. This is where the post pumping and lengthening routines come into play. You can go crazy with sex afterwards if your penis doesn't reach fatigue and goes limp during sex. I had sex a few times after my lengthening and pumping routines. At times, the fatigues caused my erection quality to drop to 80%. At times, my too solid erection quality wouldn't even let me cum.

Olza said:

So it sounds like you really need to keep the momentum up. I was hoping maybe I'd be able to do the three days that I work from home, Mon, Weds, Friday... but, sounds like before long my dick won't let me do that! Lol

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You can go hard on days you are at home and take a day off during days you are running around. During days you are running around, a quick pump and slap on the wrap or sleeve and keep it elongated. That's more than enough to keep it primed for work later at night if you have any time. Otherwise, one day on, one day off is good.

Olza said:

What are the newbie warm up stretches? Or are you suggesting a rice sock and IR, or IR and bundled stretches at the same time maybe?

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Yes. Newbie stretches are the newbie SRT routines. Warm up, light stretches, IR to initiate red light therapy for charging up the cells, and stretch. If you want a very effective pumping routine, stretch using the newbie routine like your life depends on it.

Lots of great advice it makes me proud

oldandlively said:

Correct. Pre-stretched mean you're seeing the potential growth from the relaxed tissues with the ability to cement at that point. It's temporary visual gain that has the potential to be solid.


You can see semi permanent gain with a couple of months. It's all about how consistent you keep at keeping ghe stretch to prevent the body from pulling back in. This is where the post pumping and lengthening routines come into play. You can go crazy with sex afterwards if your penis doesn't reach fatigue and goes limp during sex. I had sex a few times after my lengthening and pumping routines. At times, the fatigues caused my erection quality to drop to 80%. At times, my too solid erection quality wouldn't even let me cum.


You can go hard on days you are at home and take a day off during days you are running around. During days you are running around, a quick pump and slap on the wrap or sleeve and keep it elongated. That's more than enough to keep it primed for work later at night if you have any time. Otherwise, one day on, one day off is good.


Yes. Newbie stretches are the newbie SRT routines. Warm up, light stretches, IR to initiate red light therapy for charging up the cells, and stretch. If you want a very effective pumping routine, stretch using the newbie routine like your life depends on it.

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Hi again, sorry for the delay in replying. A lot going on! I ordered the full SRT kit last week. Not sure quite how long it will take to get to me, but not heard anything yet.

Anyway, in the meantime, I have been practicing and learning the techniques, and trying to get my dick used to things. I've mostly been focussing on SSJ and bathmate. Managed to get to a second set the other day and keep an erection, so that is promising. I seem to have a better flaccid and I can see a marginal increased girth when I am keeping myself hard in a cockring afterwards. I do get some of the little red spots, but I remember these from before and it doesn't worry me.

I also did a bit of random stretching in the time too, but not too intensive. That said, I'm sure I was 6.5 BPEL, but it seems to be 6.7 now... most likely incorrect initial measuring. I'm also on a health kick and losing weight, so maybe literally the thickness of fat even when bone pressing?

Anyway, I have now started trialling some proper stretching using the newbie routine. I got my rice sock sorted... I just realised today that I should have been trying some bundled stretches to warm up (is this what you meant above re newbie stretches as a warm up?). I now have a few more questions...

When I'm stretching, I pull out until I can feel the limit of the tunica, I can't seem to stretch beyond this. Is this how it should be? I feel like if anything, I'm more likely to stretch ligaments and pull out more inner penis than anything!

As a result of these attempts, I have now had a couple of bigger blood spots (or maybe bruises). I assume this is just intensity and they will go away with a couple of days off like the smaller ones. I can't seem to leave my dick alone though! Every now and then while at my desk I feel down there and give it a bit of a pull out! Do I just need to give it more of a break, or just let it acclimatise?

As always, appreciate your efforts and inputs!