Welcome to my world brother. My is literally beating me on my chest to stop me from going wild on the girth.
Please advice - routine and progress
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"Physiological indicators"
I read a post somewhere about that.
It claims that our body (penis) sending us signals all the time and we should listen to it.
Good indicators tells us to continue and that is possible to increase tension. Etc. While bad indicators tells us to slow down.
Example for good indicators. Growth. Night & morning woods.
Example for bad indicators: pain(the obvious). But also less night/morning woods.
That what i was reading.
Is that sounds accurate to you?
I started to pay attention and i did see differences in some periods or even single days that i wake up with good wood. And other days while none or almost none. And i wonder if i should try to finetune my excercises based on that.
(Other question is how can i know if i should rest from length or girth or both)
Thanks!
I read a post somewhere about that.
It claims that our body (penis) sending us signals all the time and we should listen to it.
Good indicators tells us to continue and that is possible to increase tension. Etc. While bad indicators tells us to slow down.
Example for good indicators. Growth. Night & morning woods.
Example for bad indicators: pain(the obvious). But also less night/morning woods.
That what i was reading.
Is that sounds accurate to you?
I started to pay attention and i did see differences in some periods or even single days that i wake up with good wood. And other days while none or almost none. And i wonder if i should try to finetune my excercises based on that.
(Other question is how can i know if i should rest from length or girth or both)
Thanks!
Yes, you got it. We think that our penis is detatched from our brain as it may have its own little brain down there, always thinking about sex, gets hard on its own, and does it own thing. In reality, it connects quite heavily to our brain for various things beside just procreation. Think of it as an extended sensor for your prostate, providing environmental information like your fingers and toes. Listen to it, know what it wants, and understand why. Same goes for its needs for growth.
If you have a sudden erectile quality drop in the middle of the hardness, it's another signal to rest, and back off on the intensities for a week or two. I just had my signal for backing off as well. It feels like your blood pressure just drops and your penis drops to 70% erection. An indicator that your penis has been too stressed out and need a few more days of break, and come back with light sessions.
continuing with the listening topic.
When i first reintroduced LM around 3 weeks ago after a long break i could feel all my tissues are streching sooo good. It was great feeling. I also felt like my inner penis streched out. So amazing that i said to myself wow with that strech i'm definetly going to grow this time.
But recently i feel that less and less.
It's like my penis is resisting and becomes stiff (not physically, but metaphorically) and i feel almost no strech. And if i increase the tension i mainly feel pain (sharp'ish kind) in the inner penis.
I really don't go wild with the LM. I use it twice a day for 10min each. I don't apply really high force at all. I use it two or three days in a row and then one day break.
Would love your guidance.
Thanks
When i first reintroduced LM around 3 weeks ago after a long break i could feel all my tissues are streching sooo good. It was great feeling. I also felt like my inner penis streched out. So amazing that i said to myself wow with that strech i'm definetly going to grow this time.
But recently i feel that less and less.
It's like my penis is resisting and becomes stiff (not physically, but metaphorically) and i feel almost no strech. And if i increase the tension i mainly feel pain (sharp'ish kind) in the inner penis.
I really don't go wild with the LM. I use it twice a day for 10min each. I don't apply really high force at all. I use it two or three days in a row and then one day break.
Would love your guidance.
Thanks
Exactly just that. Most brothers are too desperate to get to the length they want and lost sight of what the body actually needs. A nice long break like that will help the tissues to reset, relax, and stabilized. Like our brother kriskos indicated, a few months of relaxation from PE, his hard working results suddenly revealed the gains from all the months the gains didn't. The body must take a period of relaxation, such as when you hit a plateau, a stagnant of growth, or even a reduction of growth. We have to ease up, back up, and let everything reset, then resume like we just start out again. This prevents the body from fighting back to hinder our necessary growth, or resistance to growth. Some of us reach the point where we caused our body to resist growth so much due to the excessive work we've placed on our body, specifically, the penis.
We tend to base our stretches on the "feel" and not on the "actual". The "feel" pushes us to go further and harder without knowing, causing us to reach the "pains". Why? Our body sent out blocking signals to the lower level of pain, and slowly, we adapted to a higher pain threshold. We keep on following that "feel" and exceed the necessary pressure and traction loads that cause our growth to fail. This is why this brotherhood reminds you to "measure and log". Measuring and logging our progress is essential so we don't base everything on our "feel". We need to be extremely careful using our "feel" to detect the level of pressure and traction we need to obtain progressive intensities.
Hope this explain the issue you're facing now.
You're perfectly on your way brother. If you do have a fish or hanging scale with a hook, something like the SiliScale (SiliScale - Digital Tension Scale for Penis Stretchers), measure that traction load using the Length Master plates to measure where you are. Measure your traction load after a day of rest. It's much more accurate as your body tends to reset the sensation of pain blocking.
If you have any more concern, feel free to chime in at any time. We will make you grow to the objectives you want. We will work hard along side with you brother.
Thank you very much
I took some time to reflect on that.
So in that case i only reintroduced LM again 3 weeks ago after months without. It felt good then it stopped.
I suppose i should take another couple of months break now. Right? So i guess i might need to do some trial and error. Maybe take 3-5 days break and try again.
About the force. Tried to think but didn't figure how it's possible to weight the LM force i apply? With siliscale for example. The scale needs to be in between somewhere and im not sure how to setup that with LM. Feeling somewhat stupid
And yeah i guess i read many posts about how we should increase the tention over time and brother SIM was saying he used so much force as "like he wanted to pull his dick off". Even i knew i would never try to reach that amount of force i assumed i use low force have a long way of adding more and more force. But i guess maybe everyone is different.
No, no. Don't take that many days off. Just keep on using the LM according to the routines. Rest based on the days of rest. When you see the length reduced in growth, reduce the length workout by easing up on the routines' total time, switch to girth. The easing out time is around a month. This is to partially cement the length gains while you refocus on the girth. Then take a break from LM while you use the pump and hands to keep your length while focus mainly on girth. A break from length can be a month to 2 months until your girth starts to slow down. What you are doing is creating an overlap of routines and not letting up on the stimulation of growth.
Connect the end of the scale to a sofa or a solid location. I tied mine to long rope and use my feet and hands to hold onto the rope. Use the hook end to hold onto the plates' black strap/loop. Make sure pull downwards when you measure. It's more accurate to determine the "actual" traction force in attacking the ligs and muscles. You can do the same for the BTC. It'll be difficult to look behind you but that's what your phone is for. Record mode! When you feel that tension, say, "Right there!" Or "Oooohhh yeah baby!" My wife looked at me weird when I said that , but she knew what I was doing.
When you use the LM for the BTC, if you hit the right angles, the same amount of force going down will be the same amount of force for the BTC, feeling like you are ripping your penis right off. It's about searching for that effective angles. Sticking your butt out while sitting down will yield the angles to you.
So i reported here on Nov 9 that i measured 11.0-11.2cm of girth, while no girth work done in the past 72 hours.
Today i measured 11.5-11.7cm of girth after 96 hours with no girth work.
My original girth was 10.5cm. So it seems i got around 1cm gain so far.
Thank you guys!
Today i measured 11.5-11.7cm of girth after 96 hours with no girth work.
My original girth was 10.5cm. So it seems i got around 1cm gain so far.
Thank you guys!
Sounds like that growth is permanent
In today's girth session i had to stop early.
Weird thing.. with one small pump the gauge went high up (like when the valve is closed and there is no real suction). Suddenly the gauge went maybe 2-3inhg higher with small pump ended up at 10.5.
I find it hard to believe it was true since i didn't felt or saw my penis reacting accordinly. I was wow since i reached that inhg lets stay here for 20sec.
Anyway.. after that on my c jelqs. Something started to feel off.
I had internal cold feeling inside my dick. Some weird dull pain but almost not felt. Just off feeling.
I said to myself ok.. im not taking any chances here. Im gonna stop now.
I tempted to do one more pump at low pressure and felt some minor uncomfortable. And then i stopped.
Immedietly did MOSRED. And skipped the ring. After few hours i felt better.
Bottom line. Safety first. If i wasn't injured in my past i might have not notice today the early warning signs.
Weird thing.. with one small pump the gauge went high up (like when the valve is closed and there is no real suction). Suddenly the gauge went maybe 2-3inhg higher with small pump ended up at 10.5.
I find it hard to believe it was true since i didn't felt or saw my penis reacting accordinly. I was wow since i reached that inhg lets stay here for 20sec.
Anyway.. after that on my c jelqs. Something started to feel off.
I had internal cold feeling inside my dick. Some weird dull pain but almost not felt. Just off feeling.
I said to myself ok.. im not taking any chances here. Im gonna stop now.
I tempted to do one more pump at low pressure and felt some minor uncomfortable. And then i stopped.
Immedietly did MOSRED. And skipped the ring. After few hours i felt better.
Bottom line. Safety first. If i wasn't injured in my past i might have not notice today the early warning signs.
Yep, this is the primary issues for most cheap pumps out there with improper suction or improper measuring. Luckily you discover early on before any worst case scenario kicked in.
Good man. This is crucial that we do not engage any further activities when you know something didn't go right. The cold feeling is the indicator that the nerve branches went too far in either tearing for pushed by the internal tissues to the point where the nerve cannot detect the neuro connection at the nerve endings.
For now, you can do light downward jelqs for the next few days. Consider it as rest days to recover. Use MOSRED for the next feel days as well. However, you can provide passive stretching during this healing period using loose sleeves or loose wraps. The continuous warmth and elongation will force the penis to receive the blood flow it needs for healing.
Sudden surge in a Bathmate pressure between the hose and the pressure gauge, I can only suspect either the quick connector didn't snap on tightly OR, the sudden dislodged of something in the pressure valve at the top of the unit while under pressure caused it. It could be dead skin, old lube, mineral build up, or even lose hair. Always good to perform quick light maintenance after every month, use or unused of the BathMate.
Yeah i actually jelq with soap and then enter my penis to the pump with soap remaining.. and to be honest i sometime don't wash the unit throughly aftee use. So maybe that.
Clean after every session. Using soap can lead to dry skin i suggest another water based lubricant
Hi
I had today my first girth work since "the incident".
Went ok. Took it lightly and with caution.
Before the workout i measured 11.8cm which is good and im happy about my gains. Wonder if that is only from girth work or also little by the ADS since i use maximum vaccum or almost max.
after expantion 12.3 which is not so great.
My new short term goal is to be above 12.0cm before girth work. And reach to 13.0cm expansion
By the way about after ring.
I use the smallest sili rings. I out it while im 80-90% erect and it fell to 30% within 2-3 minutes. And to 15% maybe after 10min. Not sure it suppose to be like that.
I had today my first girth work since "the incident".
Went ok. Took it lightly and with caution.
Before the workout i measured 11.8cm which is good and im happy about my gains. Wonder if that is only from girth work or also little by the ADS since i use maximum vaccum or almost max.
after expantion 12.3 which is not so great.
My new short term goal is to be above 12.0cm before girth work. And reach to 13.0cm expansion
By the way about after ring.
I use the smallest sili rings. I out it while im 80-90% erect and it fell to 30% within 2-3 minutes. And to 15% maybe after 10min. Not sure it suppose to be like that.
Don't worry so much about it. There is expansion and that's what you want. You are easing back in. Allow the tissues to ease back in as well. The key is progressive expansion. As long as you have expansion, you are good.
Hm, that sounds like 70% restrictive flow. Use a light layer of wrap at the base to add some thickness compress on both sides of the penis. That will increase the restrictive flow up to 80% or even 90%.
I can't believe the forum is back.
It was very difficult to be without it.
Just updating my status:
Decided to take some decon break for two weeks or so.
Reasons: no length gains since april 2024.
Felt pain near my base in last pumping session.
My glans needed to heal from vaccum of ADS.
Moving on - I plan to use new extender with high intensity under infra red heat of around 40-42c - 1 hour a day. And use ADS for the rest of the day.
For girth same 553. I consider introducing bit soft clamping.
P.s measured girth today after a week break. Doesn't seem i lost gains.
Thanks and welcome back!
It was very difficult to be without it.
Just updating my status:
Decided to take some decon break for two weeks or so.
Reasons: no length gains since april 2024.
Felt pain near my base in last pumping session.
My glans needed to heal from vaccum of ADS.
Moving on - I plan to use new extender with high intensity under infra red heat of around 40-42c - 1 hour a day. And use ADS for the rest of the day.
For girth same 553. I consider introducing bit soft clamping.
P.s measured girth today after a week break. Doesn't seem i lost gains.
Thanks and welcome back!
Just updating my status:
Decided to take some decon break for two weeks or so.
Reasons: no length gains since april 2024.
Felt pain near my base in last pumping session.
My glans needed to heal from vaccum of ADS.
Moving on - I plan to use new extender with high intensity under infra red heat of around 40-42c - 1 hour a day. And use ADS for the rest of the day.
For girth same 553. I consider introducing bit soft clamping.
P.s measured girth today after a week break. Doesn't seem i lost gains.
Thanks and welcome back!
A decon break is sometimes just what we need. Not only physically but also mentally as it allows us to think on exactly what we need and what we should change to make our routine bettter. Sometimes it means you need to up the intensity to get things jump started. Take this break but also consider what I said.
Missed you and the rest of the Brotherhood. The wait took the patience of JOB. But in the end I was rewarded like JOB. So happy to be back!That's exactly how i felt
Missed you guys.
I wonder if i should add a little bit of clamping to my girth routine.
To my understanding there is hard clamping with a plastic or soft clamping with a silicone rings or sleeves. While soft seems less aggressive i also read that with hard you have quick release bottun while with soft it takes time to start removing all the sleeves.
To my understanding putting one sili ring for example not considered soft clamping as it doesn't keep all the blood inside and maintain an erection by itself.
Maybe you have some idea of safest way for soft clamping ? Silirings would actually be good because they have the ears to hold and remove tension fast. Maybe several of them?
P.s lately there some issues while clicking post it says we run into issues then i need to refresh the page and post again and it works.
To my understanding there is hard clamping with a plastic or soft clamping with a silicone rings or sleeves. While soft seems less aggressive i also read that with hard you have quick release bottun while with soft it takes time to start removing all the sleeves.
To my understanding putting one sili ring for example not considered soft clamping as it doesn't keep all the blood inside and maintain an erection by itself.
Maybe you have some idea of safest way for soft clamping ? Silirings would actually be good because they have the ears to hold and remove tension fast. Maybe several of them?
P.s lately there some issues while clicking post it says we run into issues then i need to refresh the page and post again and it works.
This is a life choice. I'll get into it, but approach with full of cautions.
Yes, this is true, but at the same time, the trigger can and will fail. 80%+ cases that came through the emergency rooms from penile injuries were due to hard clamping devices with quick release triggers that ultimately failed. This was why the campaigns from the device manufacturers for a few years warned males not to use the devices for hard clamping. However, if you can modify the hard clamps with safety measures, go for it. I have, and still have them for references.
SiliRings is meant to assist with stronger penile blood constriction on top of the natural venous blood constriction. If you have weak venous blood constriction, then additional needs is needed. Example, a combo of a tighter sleeve and SiliRing, or as for me, I also use TheraBand and SiliRings or TheraBand and sleeve. Cutouts.
Ultimately, it's to only slow down the blood from leaving through restrictive means and not fully cut off the blood flow through constrictive means. Venous constriction doesn't mean it shuts off all blood flow. It merely acts as a temporary flood gate valve to shut off and release immediately when unfavorable conditions are detected. If you look under s microscope or an active medical scanner, the blood vessels close and release very quickly, allowing a micro level of blood exchange every second. We do not want to deviate away too far from that.
Yes. This is what we're reported across the entire internet world. We're working with developers and programmers to get it fixed. We're pretty annoyed by it. Imagine when you have to refresh a code page right in the middle of a live programming session and lose 30 lines of codes.
Damn Moses you are super smart. Can you part the Red Sea for me?
Thanks man
I think I can deal with a few bubblesI can part the bath water with the internal body bubbles. That's pretty much it
Hi,
I want to change the order of my routine. I would like to get feedback on that.
I used to do length work in morning then put ADS. Then at night do girth work.
I want to change that to high traction length work morning. After some rest 30-60 minutes girth work and put the ring for a little while.
Then put ADS for the rest of the day until bed time.
Is there negative side to it?
I was avioding it because the "length work before girth" attitude and ads considered length. But i use it only with low traction force so i wonder if that should be an issue
Thanks
I want to change the order of my routine. I would like to get feedback on that.
I used to do length work in morning then put ADS. Then at night do girth work.
I want to change that to high traction length work morning. After some rest 30-60 minutes girth work and put the ring for a little while.
Then put ADS for the rest of the day until bed time.
Is there negative side to it?
I was avioding it because the "length work before girth" attitude and ads considered length. But i use it only with low traction force so i wonder if that should be an issue
Thanks
None that we can see. It's always good to switch things around after a certain period of time. Never become so static with a routine that the body adapts to it.
There's a mentality that length before girth is better overall, and girth before length hinders the growth. In reality, both plays a crucial role in providing a see-saw effects. Girth produces expansion and flexibility to the tissues elongation, and length provides malleability to expand further. There is really no detrimental effects on putting either one first or second.
However, the only down side is when you work on girth first, the expansion of tissues causes the vacuum cup not to fit properly because of the expansion. When the glans shrink after a few hours, what you thought is the right cup size becomes too lose. The same go for the sleeves. It can also cause the hand or Length Master grip to a bit unpredictable as well as the loosen enlarge skin to shift more readily because of the malleability effects.
Overall, there is not Length before Girth, or Girth before Length detrimental effects. Just small issues in terms of the follow-up routines that can effectively be deployed.
I'm still a student of the Guru.
Moses
He may be MOSES but I am JOB
I have to say. There is nothing like gaining girth (even if it's temporarly).
Had a serious session today. 5minutes ssj, 5 minutes soft clamping (kind of. 3 folded toe shields on base while squizing the glans and pushing it as ssj from time to time). Got engorgement of 1.1cm above my size while with the soft clamp. After excercise was 12.5cm (pre ex im 11.7). I had sex afterwards it felt and look heavy and big. My wife noticed.
Man i know im still pretty small girth but it just felt good to see and feel the change.
So glad we have this community.
PE for life.
Had a serious session today. 5minutes ssj, 5 minutes soft clamping (kind of. 3 folded toe shields on base while squizing the glans and pushing it as ssj from time to time). Got engorgement of 1.1cm above my size while with the soft clamp. After excercise was 12.5cm (pre ex im 11.7). I had sex afterwards it felt and look heavy and big. My wife noticed.
Man i know im still pretty small girth but it just felt good to see and feel the change.
So glad we have this community.
PE for life.
Every little 0.5cm makes a big difference. It's not just her, but you can feel every little pleasant squeeze, pulse, and dripping love juice being pulled out of your lady. When you reach the day where she is filled to the brim and she has to breath out to relax to mount you, that's the day she will scream in pure estacy.
Thank Christ we are back and better than ever. So much work went into this new forum and it took time but we worked day and night.
It sounds like you definitely need a reset so I am happy you are doing a decon. During this time I suggest you stay super involved with the Brotherhood as you rest. This will ensure your break doesn't turn into a permanent vacation.
Just updating my status:
Decided to take some decon break for two weeks or so.
Reasons: no length gains since april 2024.
Felt pain near my base in last pumping session.
My glans needed to heal from vaccum of ADS.
Moving on - I plan to use new extender with high intensity under infra red heat of around 40-42c - 1 hour a day. And use ADS for the rest of the day.
For girth same 553. I consider introducing bit soft clamping.
P.s measured girth today after a week break. Doesn't seem i lost gains.
Thanks and welcome back!
Your workout looks good but I would add some stretching preferably with a LengthMaster. This will help you tremendously with length. The 5x5x3 is the best girth routine so I am very happy to see it in your routine. I would consider doing the complete SRT routine but that really depends on if you have the time to put in. You will grow faster in this way.
I am glad you did not lose girth as that means it is permanent! Congratulations!
Pain below the base of the penis is possibly putting too much traction force against the muscles and ligaments. You probably feel the ligament tear or muscle tear. Ease up a bit. You can have a day or two of rest, and resume with a bit less traction force. Take advantage of that tear to pull out the inner segment a bit more.
Recall how much traction force you've implemented, and what exercise method you've approach. This might be the magic zone for your inner penis pulling. Most stumbled onto this by accident.
Your doing a great job at tackling these issues. Things are so much better since the reboot and I know as things pop up you will be there to correct these things. Your making all things new!
Sorry about that. IBM reported a glitch, and we discovered the server was "reset" to back up boot 2 days prior. We literally lost info for a 2 days window. IBM got a nice flowery message from me.