Please advice - routine and progress

[kriskros]

Well your always going to see temporary growth when doing girth work so it is important that you use a cock ring to keep that temporary girth as long as possible as this will cement your girth in the fastest way.

Yes I know but say after 15 hours prior to new workout you might experience reduced girth ?

 

[oldandlively]

If your daily girth workout is always intense you will lose girth all the time without understanding if you gained ?

What a brother should be awared more is the non-expansion or non-elongation after a work out routine. If there is very tiny amount of expansion or elongation, the progress of gains still exist.

If you keep at it for weeks on end and there's absolutely no expansion or elongation of any kind, that is a concern of a hard gainer symptom.

 

[kriskros]

What a brother should be awared more is the non-expansion or non-elongation after a work out routine. If there is very tiny amount of expansion or elongation, the progress of gains still exist.

If you keep at it for weeks on end and there's absolutely no expansion or elongation of any kind, that is a concern of a hard gainer symptom.

Ok listen to this.
Let's say week starts from Monday.
Monday: 20 mins ssj or clamping (4 set 5 mins each) 15 mins pumping. Expansion after this: 0.50'
Cockring 30 minutes
Expansion after 4 hours: 0.35'
Expansion after 12 hours: 0.10'

Tuesday: same routine
Expansion after routine: same as Monday
Expansion after 4 hours: 0.30'
Expansion after 12 hours: 0.05'

Wednesday : same routine
Expansion after routine: 0.40'
Expansion after 4 hours: 0.20'
Expansion after 12 hours: gone:: penis might be thinner in flaccid state or even in erect state

Thursday: same routine
Expansion after routine: 0.35'
Expansion after 4 hours: 0.10'
Everything else same as Wednesday

This is what happens to me.

 

[DLD]

This looks good but I would work pumping and SSJ together as in SRT using the 5x5x3. This brings the greatest expansion out of any other girth routine.

 

[kriskros]

This looks good but I would work pumping and SSJ together as in SRT using the 5x5x3. This brings the greatest expansion out of any other girth routine.

What i don't understand is what proves you are on the right track. How much time should an expansion hold. Why after 3 days of PE my overall girth is smaller. Is this normal? Is there an error?

 

[oldandlively]

Ok listen to this.
Let's say week starts from Monday.
Monday: 20 mins ssj or clamping (4 set 5 mins each) 15 mins pumping. Expansion after this: 0.50'
Cockring 30 minutes
Expansion after 4 hours: 0.35'
Expansion after 12 hours: 0.10'

Tuesday: same routine
Expansion after routine: same as Monday
Expansion after 4 hours: 0.30'
Expansion after 12 hours: 0.05'

Let's stop here. Two days in a row, and I know you like to pursue miminal edema as possible, but the 0.5in or 0.5" (not 0.5' or 0.5 foot) is a combination of lingering fluid retention. Reduction of expansion after 4 hours is due to tissue rigidity trying to claim the elastic pre-condition back. After 12 hours, you only have 0.1in left. If you look at the larger scheme of thing, your expansion is still phenomenal, but your penile elasticity is much more rigid than most. I'm thinking at this point in time, how about trying brother @Haursen method for a few weeks? His elasticity is less rigid than yours, but his recent approach appears to provide a more rigorous approach with less tissue rigidity restoration. This is due to your specific age range and resilient to drastic changes. It's part of your DNA protective coding.

Wednesday : same routine
Expansion after routine: 0.40'
Expansion after 4 hours: 0.20'
Expansion after 12 hours: gone:: penis might be thinner in flaccid state or even in erect state

Yep. At this point, it's tissue rigidity that fights back through adaption. This is when your tissues detected drastic changes and adapted to the severity of the changes. Adoption of tissues allow the changes and maintain the changes even with little influences. Adaption to changes will fight back with everything the tissues have to restore back the original conditions. This is what we have to trick the body to ease up on.

Thursday: same routine
Expansion after routine: 0.35'
Expansion after 4 hours: 0.10'
Everything else same as Wednesday

I already know your routine in employing ambient heat. I'm thinking the same way as brother @Growing4Squirting in employing hydro-thermal induction for longer and deeper penetration in between each set. I'm also thinking about your needs for constant thermal influences after each routine throughout the day non-stop to keep the tissues malleable. Something like a low current electrical warmer similar for gloves. Aside from that, if you don't want thermal devices, we have to use somekind of thermal insulation for your penis while keeping it as long of a flaccid state as possible, while forcing the penis to have as much blood in it throughout the day. That means you have to wear a 70% restrictive ring all day.

My worries is the fluid buildup from the all day long restrictive blood flow. Anything past 3 hours, the fluid tend to collect in the fascias because the lymphatic drainage nodes are compressed. The only way around such method is to use a loose and rigid penis sleeve with theraband on each end to keep the traction for the penis to stretch, while a light thermal wrapping around the entire penis to keep it warm.

 

[Growing4Squirting]

Let's stop here. Two days in a row, and I know you like to pursue miminal edema as possible, but the 0.5in or 0.5" (not 0.5' or 0.5 foot) is a combination of lingering fluid retention. Reduction of expansion after 4 hours is due to tissue rigidity trying to claim the elastic pre-condition back. After 12 hours, you only have 0.1in left. If you look at the larger scheme of thing, your expansion is still phenomenal, but your penile elasticity is much more rigid than most. I'm thinking at this point in time, how about trying brother @Haursen method for a few weeks? His elasticity is less rigid than yours, but his recent approach appears to provide a more rigorous approach with less tissue rigidity restoration. This is due to your specific age range and resilient to drastic changes. It's part of your DNA protective coding.



Yep. At this point, it's tissue rigidity that fights back through adaption. This is when your tissues detected drastic changes and adapted to the severity of the changes. Adoption of tissues allow the changes and maintain the changes even with little influences. Adaption to changes will fight back with everything the tissues have to restore back the original conditions. This is what we have to trick the body to ease up on.



I already know your routine in employing ambient heat. I'm thinking the same way as brother @Growing4Squirting in employing hydro-thermal induction for longer and deeper penetration in between each set. I'm also thinking about your needs for constant thermal influences after each routine throughout the day non-stop to keep the tissues malleable. Something like a low current electrical warmer similar for gloves. Aside from that, if you don't want thermal devices, we have to use somekind of thermal insulation for your penis while keeping it as long of a flaccid state as possible, while forcing the penis to have as much blood in it throughout the day. That means you have to wear a 70% restrictive ring all day.

My worries is the fluid buildup from the all day long restrictive blood flow. Anything past 3 hours, the fluid tend to collect in the fascias because the lymphatic drainage nodes are compressed. The only way around such method is to use a loose and rigid penis sleeve with theraband on each end to keep the traction for the penis to stretch, while a light thermal wrapping around the entire penis to keep it warm.

as an experiment i don't recommend hot air, it dries up the skin and hurts when stretching, warm water does wonder and as you said, it heats deepy the tissues.

There is a diy thermal low current blanket that can be used to keep the heat all days long
or simply the self heating patches that produce heat chemically.
I might try one as just under my kegel muscles to see the effectiveness.

 

[kriskros]

Let's stop here. Two days in a row, and I know you like to pursue miminal edema as possible, but the 0.5in or 0.5" (not 0.5' or 0.5 foot) is a combination of lingering fluid retention. Reduction of expansion after 4 hours is due to tissue rigidity trying to claim the elastic pre-condition back. After 12 hours, you only have 0.1in left. If you look at the larger scheme of thing, your expansion is still phenomenal, but your penile elasticity is much more rigid than most. I'm thinking at this point in time, how about trying brother @Haursen method for a few weeks? His elasticity is less rigid than yours, but his recent approach appears to provide a more rigorous approach with less tissue rigidity restoration. This is due to your specific age range and resilient to drastic changes. It's part of your DNA protective coding.

My 0.50' expansion is before edema. The only day I have edema is after 2 days of resting. Else I do not have at all.

Yep. At this point, it's tissue rigidity that fights back through adaption. This is when your tissues detected drastic changes and adapted to the severity of the changes. Adoption of tissues allow the changes and maintain the changes even with little influences. Adaption to changes will fight back with everything the tissues have to restore back the original conditions. This is what we have to trick the body to ease up on.

So, what do I do?

I already know your routine in employing ambient heat. I'm thinking the same way as brother @Growing4Squirting in employing hydro-thermal induction for longer and deeper penetration in between each set. I'm also thinking about your needs for constant thermal influences after each routine throughout the day non-stop to keep the tissues malleable. Something like a low current electrical warmer similar for gloves. Aside from that, if you don't want thermal devices, we have to use somekind of thermal insulation for your penis while keeping it as long of a flaccid state as possible, while forcing the penis to have as much blood in it throughout the day. That means you have to wear a 70% restrictive ring all day.

My worries is the fluid buildup from the all day long restrictive blood flow. Anything past 3 hours, the fluid tend to collect in the fascias because the lymphatic drainage nodes are compressed. The only way around such method is to use a loose and rigid penis sleeve with theraband on each end to keep the traction for the penis to stretch, while a light thermal wrapping around the entire penis to keep it warm.

So?

 

[oldandlively]

My 0.50' expansion is before edema. The only day I have edema is after 2 days of resting. Else I do not have at all.

That's what I thought. I know you too well at this point.

So, what do I do?

We have to find a way in reducing the amount of tissue rigidity before and after your routines. I don't know exactly what can and cannot be used in your regions, but let's find the peptides, supplements, and application of direct solutions (mechanical or injection).

So far, our brother @trustr1 is using a home-base radial LiST device. You use the focused device at the clinic earlier, but a continuation of tissue rigidity reducer is required. Look at the inhibitor above to see if you can obtain in your region. If not, home-base LiST. Another of our brothers is using a home-based ultra sound for a fraction of the cost over the LiST. How well it functions over the LiST, that is still being determined. However, that ultrasound goes as high as 120MHz. That is crazy high, but it's also advantage for various other muscle group types beside penile.

So?

So, time to find a method to keep the tissues soft, by heat, chemical cocktails, or mechanical. Costs coming into your region may expect to be high due to current political nightmares.

 

[kriskros]

If I have to do ultrasound therapy or piezowave I do not care going to therapist and pay. My problem is if it is needed daily which will get me out of my daily work pe balanced plan.

After my PE sessions, using cockring, my penis is flaccid but fully engorged (but not warm). The thing is...how to make this expansion permanent !

 

[oldandlively]

If I have to do ultrasound therapy or piezowave I do not care going to therapist and pay. My problem is if it is needed daily which will get me out of my daily work pe balanced plan.

After my PE sessions, using cockring, my penis is flaccid but fully engorged (but not warm). The thing is...how to make this expansion permanent !

After any routines, expansion will be permanent in die time. For the routines, the expansion is always temporary, either be a few hours to a few days. If you are lucky, a few days. If not, a few hours. The key iof hope is there is expansion. Expansion on any level is expansion. As you have already experienced, expansion daily accumulates to long term expansion. Hard gainers like you and a few other may need the intermittent break for the tissues to adopt the new expansion gains and cement before it allows you to continue with new observable expansions. This is PE sciences. No two people are the same on all levels.

But, we are looking at hyper expansion promotion at longer period of time. This may involve in longer erectile period. This is to mimick when you are younger. So far, two brothers in this forum is going through the late stages of unique growth. I'll let them chime in based on their personal privacy preferences. One is gaining like a phenom through this method.

The others are progressing as they should by using thermal insulation and isolation at core temp. In other words, they keep their penises close to their body to use body heat as a means of thermal influence. They also wrap and strap along their inner thighs. Something to think about.

 

[kriskros]

Please guide me on this my master

 

[oldandlively]

Please guide me on this my master

Still a student my brother. I don't think we want to hijack our brother's trust discussion. How about switching to yours? See you over there.

 

[kriskros]

Still a student my brother. I don't think we want to hijack our brother's trust discussion. How about switching to yours? See you over there.

Ofc not but let's discuss this on my post and ask them to allow you to inform me?

 

[DLD]

Ofc not but let's discuss this on my post and ask them to allow you to inform me?

Do you have a link?

 

[oldandlively]

Do you have a link?

This:

Post in thread 'Questions & Philosophy Regarding P.E Science'

Tuesday at 8:16 PM

What's the difference between me and others. I never experienced any of this while training. Even today I have a very maleable penis.

The reason why you remain malleable because you kept on causing your tissues to be under stressed daily, for hours on end. You overcame that rigidity issues and kept on going. Most don't have the time and means to keep going daily, for hours. But soon, there may be a solution. I see a few beta devices with ultrasound/ultrasonic therapy incorporated to a metallic cylinder designs. It's a "medical" device for aging ED communities.

I used a small...

• oldandlively

 

[DLD]

This:

Post in thread 'Questions & Philosophy Regarding P.E Science'

Tuesday at 8:16 PM

What's the difference between me and others. I never experienced any of this while training. Even today I have a very maleable penis.

The reason why you remain malleable because you kept on causing your tissues to be under stressed daily, for hours on end. You overcame that rigidity issues and kept on going. Most don't have the time and means to keep going daily, for hours. But soon, there may be a solution. I see a few beta devices with ultrasound/ultrasonic therapy incorporated to a metallic cylinder designs. It's a "medical" device for aging ED communities.

I used a small...

• oldandlively

Thank you! I will read when I am done answering posts.

 

[trustr1]

@kriskros just my 2 cents.
I also noticed if i don't take enough rest days. Or using more than 2 days in a row i get less exansion.
Your body might just need a break to recover. That's it.

 

[trustr1]

Today i got air clamp python and used it for the first time. Up to 13inHG. Didn't feel too much pressure by that.
I tried to expiriment with it as doing the first step of SSJ, only by the clamp instead of the hand grip. Just moving the clamp up towards my glans for an inch. Felt similar to what i have done with my hand grip on top of my toe shields but actually felt not as good.

After, i did 10min LIST.

Not sure why but i feeling now like pee is trying to run out non intentionally. Even after i went to the bathroom. It happens again now. But i could not pee again because i already empty. So i guess it's local sensation.
Not sure if that caused by the clamp, the LIST, or the mix of both.
In any case i hope it will subside

P.s this is how the blister looks like now..the swollen has subside but it's really red.
I have put some bactroben antibiotic cream on it in the last days.

 

[kriskros]

Dude wtf u doing stop and recover

 

[oldandlively]

Today i got air clamp python and used it for the first time. Up to 13inHG. Didn't feel too much pressure by that.
I tried to expiriment with it as doing the first step of SSJ, only by the clamp instead of the hand grip. Just moving the clamp up towards my glans for an inch. Felt similar to what i have done with my hand grip on top of my toe shields but actually felt not as good.

I have a similar pressure pump type of restrictive air clamp too. It was a cheapy one to test. Works well while the pressure hold but it didn't last long. However, do be careful as you go. Although it's restrictively 95% of the way, that extra pressure can place the restrictive to constrictive with just a single light pump. The good thing about it is the softness of the air bladder rather than the crushing of the edges like the cable clamp.

After, i did 10min LIST.

Not sure why but i feeling now like pee is trying to run out non intentionally. Even after i went to the bathroom. It happens again now. But i could not pee again because i already empty. So i guess it's local sensation.
Not sure if that caused by the clamp, the LIST, or the mix of both.
In any case i hope it will subside

That strange feeling of urinary incontinence is a combo of weakening of muscle. Your radial aim on the LiST may be too hitting the urinary spinchter at the base of the penis. How deep are you aiming the LiST?

P.s this is how the blister looks like now..the swollen has subside but it's really red.
I have put some bactroben antibiotic cream on it in the last days.

As krikros said, let the wound heal before continuing. It's healing in the surrounding tissues of the blister, but the center of the blister is very tender. Add on some bacitracin ointment! I see shallow puss because of bacterial formation.

 

[DLD]

As krikros said, let the wound heal before continuing. It's healing in the surrounding tissues of the blister, but the center of the blister is very tender. Add on some bacitracin ointment! I see shallow puss because of bacterial formation.

So true and extremely on point. allow it to heal and use bacitracin on the effected area until it heals. Do not try to squeeze anything from the area. I am so sorry this happened but using the advice above you should be back to training in about 6 to 8 weeks.

 

[trustr1]

I have a similar pressure pump type of restrictive air clamp too. It was a cheapy one to test. Works well while the pressure hold but it didn't last long. However, do be careful as you go. Although it's restrictively 95% of the way, that extra pressure can place the restrictive to constrictive with just a single light pump. The good thing about it is the softness of the air bladder rather than the crushing of the edges like the cable clamp.



That strange feeling of urinary incontinence is a combo of weakening of muscle. Your radial aim on the LiST may be too hitting the urinary spinchter at the base of the penis. How deep are you aiming the LiST?



As krikros said, let the wound heal before continuing. It's healing in the surrounding tissues of the blister, but the center of the blister is very tender. Add on some bacitracin ointment! I see shallow puss because of bacterial formation.

Yeah this is how mine looks like.
Yes it soft and have quick release and the clamp area is wider than cable but
Im not sure if i'm happy with this device to be honest.
I really had high hopes for it... Altough i used it only today for the first time. So i should give it more chance.
When i just apply toe shields and do 'ULI' with it its more easy to maintain erection and the squize feels good.
But with this i feel its easier to lose erection and blood volume then with the other method (but it's 2nd day in a row of girth work so maybe i already fatigued from yesterday.) But maybe i just didn't apply enough vaccum pressure as i really not sure where I should aim or what is normal. I mean with semi erect i could get to 13inhg and not sure if thats enough, but it seems a lot if i compare that to pumping pressure. On the other hand i expect to maintain the erection blood volume which doesnt seem to happen very well even if i pump it to 8inhg right away almost fully erect.

Regardless. I think i should add pumping to my routine. Even though it might be just edema but i had much better post session expension with the pumping than only clamping with all its variations.

For LIST i don't have depth settings. But i try to press it deep into my tissues.

Thanks i will put the antibiotic.

 

[oldandlively]

For LIST i don't have depth settings. But i try to press it deep into my tissues.

How do you angle the LiST wand? Do you fire it directly at the base of the penis towards your prostate? Straight down perpendicular to the penis? Straight up or 45 degrees to the base of the penis?

 

[trustr1]

To be honest i simply try different angles since im not sure where i should aim. But at the when i go around the base i mainly hold it stright or a bit inward (45deg)

I also do 1min in perineum behind the sack.

BTW the urine thing was gone after my night sleep

 

[oldandlively]

To be honest i simply try different angles since im not sure where i should aim. But at the when i go around the base i mainly hold it stright or a bit inward (45deg)

For the penile shaft, not near the base, 45 to 90 degrees (straight in).

Near the base, 90 degrees only, perpendicular with the shaft.

The reason why you feel like you have to pee like you have urinary incontinence is because you over stimulate the urinary sphincter at the base of the penis. That weakens the penis ability to hold back the pee.

I also do 1min in perineum behind the sack.

And this is the second reason. You also weaken the prostate capacity to hold back the pee as well. I wouldn't hit the prostate too many times.

BTW the urine thing was gone after my night sleep

Yep. It recover itself after 8 hours. This is a personal preference to stimulate the urinary sphincter and prostate or not. There are medical treatments using the same treatment method for urinary incontinence, but if you don't have it, I wouldn't play around with it.

 

[trustr1]

For the penile shaft, not near the base, 45 to 90 degrees (straight in).

Near the base, 90 degrees only, perpendicular with the shaft.

The reason why you feel like you have to pee like you have urinary incontinence is because you over stimulate the urinary sphincter at the base of the penis. That weakens the penis ability to hold back the pee.



And this is the second reason. You also weaken the prostate capacity to hold back the pee as well. I wouldn't hit the prostate too many times.



Yep. It recover itself after 8 hours. This is a personal preference to stimulate the urinary sphincter and prostate or not. There are medical treatments using the same treatment method for urinary incontinence, but if you don't have it, I wouldn't play around with it.

Got it. Thank you!

 

[trustr1]

Today girth session with python was better. Got a tip to put some toe shield on the base and then put the python. Went slighly better. 9x5min sets.
Post session expanaion 0.5cm.

The manufacture say you don't need to remove the device between sets (to save putting on and off). Only release vaccum. I wonder if that is really enough in terms of preventing clots etc. As i can massage only the shaft above the device but not the base area. But it is loose and blood can flow freely. Even with the 2 toe shields they are pretty light.

Also the pee thing felt again altough not in the same power. Maybe it is affected by the clamp as well.

 

[oldandlively]

Today girth session with python was better. Got a tip to put some toe shield on the base and then put the python. Went slighly better. 9x5min sets.
Post session expanaion 0.5cm.

Very nice. That's about 18% of total expansion?

The manufacture say you don't need to remove the device between sets (to save putting on and off). Only release vaccum. I wonder if that is really enough in terms of preventing clots etc. As i can massage only the shaft above the device but not the base area. But it is loose and blood can flow freely. Even with the 2 toe shields they are pretty light.

Yes. This will prevent blood clotting. No need to remove it. Blood clotting is due to stagnation of the blood. If the blood flows as the pressure is released, there's no issue with that.

Also the pee thing felt again altough not in the same power. Maybe it is affected by the clamp as well.

Yes. The Python clamp is close to the urinary sphincter. You probably has a pressure differential between the sphincter and the clamp that may be playing a trick with the biological awareness. The best example is a small dam between the larger dam form a massive reservoir and a small river. That smaller damn creates a strange squirling back flow (in this case your penis pressure) in between the penis and the rest of the body behind the sphincter. When you finally release the blood volume from the penis,n that small pressure creates a pressure differential pushing against the sphincter, causing the body to relax the sphincter's muscles even more to allow the blood to move out of the penis more freely. When that happens, the urine also come out more freely.

 

[trustr1]

Very nice. That's about 18% of total expansion?



Yes. This will prevent blood clotting. No need to remove it. Blood clotting is due to stagnation of the blood. If the blood flows as the pressure is released, there's no issue with that.



Yes. The Python clamp is close to the urinary sphincter. You probably has a pressure differential between the sphincter and the clamp that may be playing a trick with the biological awareness. The best example is a small dam between the larger dam form a massive reservoir and a small river. That smaller damn creates a strange squirling back flow (in this case your penis pressure) in between the penis and the rest of the body behind the sphincter. When you finally release the blood volume from the penis,n that small pressure creates a pressure differential pushing against the sphincter, causing the body to relax the sphincter's muscles even more to allow the blood to move out of the penis more freely. When that happens, the urine also come out more freely.

That's great to know
Expansion more like 4% (11.5+0.5)

 

[oldandlively]

That's great to know
Expansion more like 4% (11.5+0.5)

As long as there is expansion greater than 0%

 

[DLD]

As long as there is expansion greater than 0%

That is the one of the most important measurements you can take because it gives you a peak into your future. if you are not seeing consistent elongation or thickness you need to turn up the routine. This means adding time or/more exercises. After a session of 5x5x3 my expansion is amazing. Some maybe still doing a beginners routine should switch to SRT.

 

[trustr1]

That is the one of the most important measurements you can take because it gives you a peak into your future. if you are not seeing consistent elongation or thickness you need to turn up the routine. This means adding time or/more exercises. After a session of 5x5x3 my expansion is amazing. Some maybe still doing a beginners routine should switch to SRT.

5x5x3 is no doubt a great routine

 

[kriskros]

5x5x3 is no doubt a great routine

5x5x3 is the ultimate routine

 

[DLD]

5x5x3 is the ultimate routine

I agree