Plateauing and Breaktimes...

[iGrowSteady]

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[JKWay]

Hi.

I would recommend this thread.

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/...s-enlargement-effort-and-rest-discussion.html

It is very "dense" with info and is a very good read.

Just grab some of your favourite refreshments and read through it

 

[kyomoto]

So I've been running with the same routine for a while now... PF when I can and for ever much I can manage during the day and night. [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X30[/words] for 20 to 40 minutes over one or two sessions, about 6-ish nights a week. And Jelqs for either a half to a full hour a day, again, 5-6 ish days a week.

Now my first question is, plateauing. Does PE share that potential like full body exercising? Due to the nature of the penis and like, what it is, I'm not quite sure.

Second, since I more or less do something everyday, I'm exercising it everyday, obviously. I use to try and at least take one full day off from everything, but haven't for a while. Is this recommended for a somewhat moderate routine like mine? Curious a to what you guys do with your own routines.

As always, thanks in advance!

Yes to the plateau question. The penis adapts to the intensity and rigorous exercises. Otherwise you would keep gaining with the same intensity and routine.

It is recommended to rest at least 1-2 days for advanced people and 2-3 for intermediate. I at one time went and did a routine everyday but i believe i didn't gain from it because i didn't have adequate rest.

 

[DLD]

If you Plateau it is time to do two things. First, go back and start with the basic [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]Newbie Routine[/words] for 1 week. After this put together a much more intense routine than the one you are using. Be sure the routine is consistent and done the same way each time to track the performance of the routine. Since you have a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] I would use this at every moment you are not doing PE, even sleeping.
Once you have a routine created please post so we can critique. Plateaus happen to every long term PE artist, getting past them takes a reset and a concerted effort the supersedes the present routine.

 

[acromegaly]

if you are not gaining you probably need less rest not more, no offense. gotta go hard and get those gains. dig deep for some motivation and kill it

 

[Big Schwanz Acht]

I've responded well to a couple of consecutive rest days each week, and I've also changed-up my routine, (I was stuck at 8" in my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] for almost 2 months) so I added stretched bundles and 'A' stretches, revamped my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] procedure and have gained around .25" in the last 3+ months.
Keep you body guessing and adapting

 

[kyomoto]

I've responded well to a couple of consecutive rest days each week, and I've also changed-up my routine, (I was stuck at 8" in my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] for almost 2 months) so I added stretched bundles and 'A' stretches, revamped my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] procedure and have gained around .25" in the last 3+ months.
Keep you body guessing and adapting

Just like skeletal muscle, I'm probably going to hit the tunica harder now since i can finally bundle without pain!

 

[DLD]

Just like skeletal muscle, I'm probably going to hit the tunica harder now since i can finally bundle without pain!

So good to hear, Bundled Stretches are really a driving force behind gains.

 

[kyomoto]

So good to hear, Bundled Stretches are really a driving force behind gains.

The most killer exercise for me in an advanced state of PE right now is the bundled mandingo!

 

[iGrowSteady]

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[Munto]

If you Plateau it is time to do two things. First, go back and start with the basic [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-newbie-forum/1597-dlds-first-routine-i-gained-2-inches-with-this-routine-full-tutorial.html]Newbie Routine[/words] for 1 week. After this put together a much more intense routine than the one you are using. Be sure the routine is consistent and done the same way each time to track the performance of the routine. Since you have a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] I would use this at every moment you are not doing PE, even sleeping.

Great advice !

I had recent gains, I'm just wondering for the future - how a guy at "my level" could take it up a notch

 

[DLD]

Great advice !

I had recent gains, I'm just wondering for the future - how a guy at "my level" could take it up a notch

You will know when you get there and do not become discouraged, all you will need to do is create a more intense routine and I will help you when ready.

 

[iGrowSteady]

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[Big Schwanz Acht]

There might be more value than we realize when we keep our d!cks guessing...I've been taking 2-3 consecutive days off per week from my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] and am able to get back to my 'personal best' measurements on the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] gauge by my 2nd day back. I think adding bundles have really solidified what I've gained and helps with new growth.

Congrats on your progress!!

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

do you bundle using the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words]? or just using hands?

 

[kyomoto]

Just a quick note guys, a good one, in trying to tweak \ upgrade my routine I didn't do much PEing last week, and then went cold on Friday and Saturday. Noticed during those days and before I started back on Sunday, my flaccid state was definitely bigger and the gains I see from after I Jelq are also noticeable.

So this by no means say I'll stop, quite the contrary! But its good to know that the hours, and I mean frickin hours, are paying off! Still hope I'm not at my max gains BUT good to know I'm defying expectations now:}!

Great to hear. Hours will pay off. I just hope mine will and I'm not wasting my time.

 

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[Big Schwanz Acht]

@Big Schwanz Acht - Yes, something I haven't done in a while clearly, but soon that'll change! And dude, tell me you're not so happy when you see that? That you take time off an the gains are still there! But either way yes, thank you for sure and hope they keep coming!

Happy? Probably more like relieved, lol

 

[kyomoto]

@Big Schwanz Acht - Yes, something I haven't done in a while clearly, but soon that'll change! And dude, tell me you're not so happy when you see that? That you take time off an the gains are still there! But either way yes, thank you for sure and hope they keep coming!

@kyomoto - Thanks man, wish it was more of course, BUT, at least progress is afoot! What I love the most is some of the guys that are here that are STARTING where I want to END:} And yes, that's always the risk in something like this but to me the worst part isn't knowing.

Starting where you want to end huh. That kinda makes me jealous because some guys are already 8" which is where I kinda want to end.

 

[DLD]

Starting where you want to end huh. That kinda makes me jealous because some guys are already 8" which is where I kinda want to end.

That is the game, some come bigger and some come smaller but we all have the same opportunity to grow with hard work and the guidance of the Brotherhood.

 

[kyomoto]

That is the game, some come bigger and some come smaller but we all have the same opportunity to grow with hard work and the guidance of the Brotherhood.

I'll still surpass most so im happy

 

[iGrowSteady]

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[kyomoto]

@Big Schwanz Acht – Ha, yep, another way to put it!

@kyomoto – Oh no, that’s what I meant, like you said with some guys starting at 8” is where you want to end, same here! Actually I’d be happy around 7 ish:} As to your other comment, that you’ve surpassed others, definitely something to be happy and or crow about… At this moment I’m happy to defy conventional assumptions, but wouldn’t mind being even above that.

@DLD – Well said as always and it’s tough, so tough, for a variety of reasons, but when you see your work FINALLY pay off? One of the best things.

Yeah I'm content as of now length wise but I'm still going for more length as I know I can reach a my goals

 

[LONGERDICK7+]

Yeah I'm content as of now length wise but I'm still going for more length as I know I can reach a my goals

yep going to get bigger,besides theres a due daterofl

 

[kyomoto]

yep going to get bigger,besides theres a due daterofl

Don't feel pressured though

 

[DLD]

@DLD – Well said as always and it’s tough, so tough, for a variety of reasons, but when you see your work FINALLY pay off? One of the best things.

Exactly. Many things in PE take time and practice to work. When we approach these things patience is a virtue.

 

[iGrowSteady]

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[Munto]

@kyomoto - Yep, that you have goals helps, I figure I'll just keep going until I really surprise myself!

@DLD - Patience especially with PE! Speaking of, curious if it's really necessary to do manual stretches when one uses the PF so often? Did them for twenty minutes last night, and twenty JQing, but figure since I'm using the PF almost everyday for hours and hours, this all might be redundant.

EDIT: Also, should I start doing soft Jelqs as well or stay with the hard ones?

It#s important to stretch multiple angles, because there might be gains here or there.
An [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxs1KyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hM T7UNDVYrKMpMsbWwUEsuLS7Jz40vLinKzEu3VbIGXDDflBIx]ADS[/words] only covers (bundled) straight up/down.

[video=youtube;lVPqQ4Ta4MI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPqQ4Ta4MI[/video]

 

[kyomoto]

It#s important to stretch multiple angles, because there might be gains here or there.
An [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] only covers (bundled) straight up/down.

[video=youtube;lVPqQ4Ta4MI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPqQ4Ta4MI[/video]

its just a theory ;(

 

[DLD]

its just a theory ;(

A theory? Not at all, this is LAW proven and written in stone. If this was theory would Brothers ever gain?

 

[kyomoto]

A theory? Not at all, this is LAW proven and written in stone. If this was theory would Brothers ever gain?

You even discussed this last year saying its a theory o-o. Why isn't it given much importance then

 

[DLD]

You even discussed this last year saying its a theory o-o. Why isn't it given much importance then

Because it has been proven to work for every man who has filled these instructions. When everyone can gain with an exercise it is no longer theory, it is law.

 

[kyomoto]

Because it has been proven to work for every man who has filled these instructions. When everyone can gain with an exercise it is no longer theory, it is law.

Make sure to change to law then scientists are picky

 

[iGrowSteady]

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[DLD]

@DLD – N Friends \ Curious if y’all think it’s necessary to do stretches when using the PF? And if I’m not mistaken, Jelqs are for girth correct? If so is it better to do them hard or soft? Annnnnddddd finally, is it a good idea to incorporate [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words]’s for a minute each rep during a 30 minute Jelq routine?!?

As you can tell, doing what I can to shake shit up and so far so good, just want to be sure.

I think it is always wise to get in certain hand stretches even if you are using a [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ADS[/words] like the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] or [words=https://shop.mattersofsize.com/products/sizegenetics-penis-extender]SizeGenetics[/words]. The stretches I suggest cover areas that the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]ads[/words] will not hit.

1. Bundled Stretches (3-5 minutes before a workout): Pre-stretch the Tunica allowing for much better elongation
2. Erect Stretches: (3-5 times a week for 5-10 minutes) These will help close the gap between BPFL and BPEL.
3. Expressive Stretches (3 sets of 30 seconds every workout) This will allow you access to internal penis.
4. Basic Stretches: These are the Newbie Stretches and they cover every angle so I suggest you do these every day.
[words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SlowSquashJelq[/words]'s will help speed up any girth routine. I would completely forego the basic jelq in favor off the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SlowSquashJelq[/words]. Not sure if you have a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] but if you do I suggest the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?64036-My-Best-Work-Ever-Penis-Enlargement-will-Be-Changed-Forever-gt-gt-Gain%20inches%20with%20SRT-Theory-and-Routine]SRT[/words] 5x5x3 [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] Routine.

It is always good to mix it up and I think with what I offered above will throw your penis into a growth spurt!

 

[iGrowSteady]

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[kyomoto]

@DLD N Friends - Okay so thanks for the info, took me long enough but have a routine put together... (More or less everday of the week with breaks of course.)

1 set of Erect Stretches for 5 minutes

1 set of Basic stretches for 5 minutes

Basic Jelqing for 5 minutes, then a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] for no longer than 5 minutes

Coupled with two sets of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X30[/words] for twenty minutes each as well as using the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Forte[/words] as much as possible.

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sounds good bro

 

[DLD]

@DLD N Friends - Okay so thanks for the info, took me long enough but have a routine put together... (More or less everday of the week with breaks of course.)

1 set of Erect Stretches for 5 minutes

1 set of Basic stretches for 5 minutes

Basic Jelqing for 5 minutes, then a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/penis-enlargement-forum/12539-slow-squash-jelq-nothing-give-me-better-expansion.html]SSJ[/words] for no longer than 5 minutes

Coupled with two sets of the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X30[/words] for twenty minutes each as well as using the [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Phallosan[/words] [words=http://www.phallosan.com/shop/catalog/default.php?z=eNortjIxtVKyL0pNszWxMFcrSSxKTy2JL0hMT7U1UisoykyxtbBQSy4tLsnPjS8uKcrMS7dVsgZcMMpbEbo%2C]Forte[/words] as much as possible.

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Looks good, I would watch over the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BathMate[/words] sessions to be sure you are not taking in too much retention or causing discoloration. I always suggest the 5 x 5 x 3 as this is the safest method of pumping that brings the best results. So something to think about. Lastly I suggest you add in some Expressive stretches and Bundled stretches before both, lengths and girth routines. Other than that it looks great.

 

[iGrowSteady]

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[huge-girth]

@kyomoto - @DLD - etc - Always appreciate the feedback guys! As for discoloration, there is definitely a different hue of the shaft that wasn't there before, but it was gradual and not that bad at all. Related to the expressive and bundled stretches, at what point in my routine would include them again? I know you said both but I want to be sure.

Also another famous quick questions of mine... I'm wondering, whether I've plateaued or not, and the thinking is I have, would investing in a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] upgrade from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X30[/words] make sense? I really haven't gotten above my best number, like ever. By no means do I fill it up girth wise but I'm a good bit above the ruler now, but obviously not touching the top. So I'm wondering if I upgrade will I see gains [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] wise by using a bigger model?

Thanks guys!

I don't think you should upgrade now. You still have space to grow.

 

[DLD]

@kyomoto - @DLD - etc - Always appreciate the feedback guys! As for discoloration, there is definitely a different hue of the shaft that wasn't there before, but it was gradual and not that bad at all. Related to the expressive and bundled stretches, at what point in my routine would include them again? I know you said both but I want to be sure.

Also another famous quick questions of mine... I'm wondering, whether I've plateaued or not, and the thinking is I have, would investing in a [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] upgrade from the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X30[/words] make sense? I really haven't gotten above my best number, like ever. By no means do I fill it up girth wise but I'm a good bit above the ruler now, but obviously not touching the top. So I'm wondering if I upgrade will I see gains [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] wise by using a bigger model?

Thanks guys!

No problem my Brother. You do not have to upgrade yet if there is still room to grow but once you have reached the level of length or girth being close to max it is time to change.

 

[iGrowSteady]

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[Big Schwanz Acht]

If you have a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], (sorry I didn't research what PE equipment you own/use) the bundled stretch is very straightforward...I clamp as close to the base as possible and turn the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]power assist[/words] handle like a steering wheel at least 180* and that's it! I take these a step further and while in bundled-formation, I snake the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] behind my cheeks and use my torso to create tension/leverage. I do these clock-wise and counter clock-wise for 5 minutes each then do non-bundled the same way (these would be more like the 'expressive' stretch). Once done, I jump into my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] for 10X3X10X3X10 at max-pressure using my modded [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Goliath[/words] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words]'s. I highly encourage you to master the wine-mod...100% game-changer for moi

 

[huge-girth]

If you have a [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], (sorry I didn't research what PE equipment you own/use) the bundled stretch is very straightforward...I clamp as close to the base as possible and turn the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/join-now.html]power assist[/words] handle like a steering wheel at least 180* and that's it! I take these a step further and while in bundled-formation, I snake the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] behind my cheeks and use my torso to create tension/leverage. I do these clock-wise and counter clock-wise for 5 minutes each then do non-bundled the same way (these would be more like the 'expressive' stretch). Once done, I jump into my [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] for 10X3X10X3X10 at max-pressure using my modded [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]X40[/words] and [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]Goliath[/words] [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words]'s. I highly encourage you to master the wine-mod...100% game-changer for moi

You are doing my exact girth routine. I can imagine what your temporary expansion looks like.

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@huge-girth \ @DLD – My thinking too, but I’ve been at that level for so long I was wondering if I would increase in an upgraded version. It can be a bitch getting that extra pump and I haven’t had luck with the wine vac and the like.

If you are not seeing mouch improvement in your routine, I suggest you increase the duration

 

[DLD]

@huge-girth \ @DLD – My thinking too, but I’ve been at that level for so long I was wondering if I would increase in an upgraded version. It can be a bitch getting that extra pump and I haven’t had luck with the wine vac and the like.

The [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]HydroMax[/words] Extreme models are made for people like me who can not make anything

 

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[DLD]

@Big Schwanz Acht – No sadly I never invested in the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], but it sounds like your routine certainly kicks your dicks ass PE wise! So it looks like the extended bundle stretches only work with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] then?

@huge-girth – Are you suggesting to stay in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] longer? A while back last year I was doing about two sets of twenty-ish minutes a night, now just one set.

Bundles are most powerful with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LengthMaster[/words] but they can be done manually also, just without the same intensity.

 

[huge-girth]

@Big Schwanz Acht – No sadly I never invested in the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words], but it sounds like your routine certainly kicks your dicks ass PE wise! So it looks like the extended bundle stretches only work with the [words=http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?83577-Length-master-official-order-thread-now-shipping-06-16-2014!!!]LM[/words] then?

@huge-girth – Are you suggesting to stay in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]BM[/words] longer? A while back last year I was doing about two sets of twenty-ish minutes a night, now just one set.

Try increasing the vacuum pressure. If you were staying in the [words=https://officialhydromaxpump.com/?uid=6&oid=2&affid=98]bathmate[/words] for 5 minutes before try 10 minutes now. There is need for expansion during your girth session, you should be able to see at least half inch expansion after a girth session.

 

[iGrowSteady]

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